Gary Johnson - Because He Deserves His Own Thread

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, June 1, 2016 4:40 AM

Gary is running as the Libertarian candidate, again - he was also the candidate in 2012. In the interest of full disclosure, I voted for his ticket then.

He has a new running mate, apparently MA Gov. William Weld.

He has stated that he would legalize marijuana.

He reportedly has the backing of the Koch brothers.

If he wins a few states, like Maine (gave Perot second place in 1992), AZ where he was Governor, and MA (for Weld), the election could be thrown to Congress to elect, separately, the President (by the House) and the Vice President (by the Senate). This would happen if these states deny the leading Electoral Vote-getter the 269 majority.

If he wins a little over one-third of the Electoral College, more than the other candidates, he would make an argument for being elected by the Congress.

If he wins a majority of 269 in the Electoral College (with as little as 25 states), he would outright win the Presidency.

Link to the thread where I broke down the Electoral College scenarios:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60512&mid=10108
59#1010859

An interesting map:
https://libertarianvindicator.com/2016/06/29/99-electoral-votes-a-real
-possibility-for-governor-gary-johnson-the-libertarian-party/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, June 2, 2016 6:54 AM

He has a decent chance this time largely because of the high levels of dislike for the New York Liberal #1 and New York Liberal #2 candidates.

The math and scenarios are mostly laid out in this thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60512&mid=1
011038#1011038

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:52 PM

Yes, he does deserve his own thread.

BUMP for Gary Johnson!

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, June 10, 2016 4:33 AM

With the Democrat Primaries about wrapped up, it looks like The Libertarians will have much fodder to use on Hilliary and Trump.

RIVERLOVE

Friday, June 10, 2016 8:52 AM

Oh yeah, Gary Johnson. No borders and legalize weed. Yippee!

"C'mon free minds, free bodies, free dope, free music. The day is on its way, the day is ours."

Kantner/Slick

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Oh yeah, Gary Johnson. No borders and legalize weed. Yippee!

The pot issue would be a favorite of the left, or the young.

But for conservatives, the issue of Federal Debt, Balanced Budget, Federal spending should be of interest. The libertarian party in the past has advocated strong reduction in Federal Spending - drastically. I have not heard of them migrating from that position. This would be an area that a Republican House could make great progress with. Can you imagine 4 years of fiscal responsibility?

Regarding borders, Obama has had a pass because as a black person the media avoids pointing out the amount of crimes he commits, the great tendency toward criminal behavior he insists upon displaying.
Johnson would not be able to abuse or avoid Federal Laws at a whim like Barack Hussein has done. McConman and the Senate might allow it, but Ryan and the House would not.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, June 22, 2016 5:57 AM

He was at 8% in this poll:
https://www.nccivitas.org/2016/trump-leads-hilary-in-new-civitas-poll/

And 11% in this Monmouth Poll:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/24/libertarian-gary-johns
on-double-digits-race-agains/
http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/3
2212254994/32212254995/30064771087/7714a05b-515f-4ad3-bdaa-e72a6e5f8e61.pdf

And 11% last week:
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/06/16/another-national-poll-s
hows-trump-doomed-gary-johnson-getting-massive-support/

But only 9% from CNN:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/poll-clinton-trump-2016-224584
Although that poll includes 7% for Green Party.

and 12% in this Fox poll:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/06/09/fox-news-poll-n
ational-releas-6-16/
(click on poll results, about 2/3 the way through the document, question 5.)

And 9% from yesterday's Monmouth:
http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/3
2212254994/32212254995/30064771087/568faad2-81ab-4bd0-b373-8577326e76bd.pdf

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, July 8, 2016 6:21 AM

Libertarian Party head points out the serious miscarriage of justice regarding Hilliary's emails.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/06/libertarians-on-clinton-email-the-pa
rty

REAVERFAN

Friday, July 8, 2016 6:43 AM

He won't get 2% of the vote anywhere. Waste of a vote.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 10, 2016 3:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
He won't get 2% of the vote anywhere. Waste of a vote.

Interesting prediction.
Have you ever been right about anything?

SECOND

Sunday, July 10, 2016 4:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
He won't get 2% of the vote anywhere. Waste of a vote.

Interesting prediction.
Have you ever been right about anything?

7.5% of the popular vote is the best prediction I know for Gary Johnson. The predictions are updated daily with each new popularity poll.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

7.5 % is more than Ralph Nader's 2.74% in 2000 when Nader gave Bush the Presidency.
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-nader-cost-gore-an-election/2015/0
2/05/3261cc22-abd2-11e4-8876-460b1144cbc1_story.html

Nader’s candidacy was based on the self-serving argument that it would make no difference whether Gore or George W. Bush were elected. This was insane. Nobody, for instance, can imagine Gore picking as the nation's chief law enforcement officer a man of Ashcroft's anti-civil rights, antitrust, anti-abortion and anti-gay record. Or picking Bush's first choice to head the Labor Department, Linda Chavez, who opposes the minimum wage and affirmative action.

I look forward to Gary Johnson arguing it would make no difference whether Trump or Hillary were elected.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-is-gary-johnson-ta
king-more-support-from-clinton-or-trump/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, July 15, 2016 5:43 AM

New poll has Hilliary leading Trump by 9% WITH 37% in Colorado and 5% with 39% in Virginia, and Johnson gets 13% in CO and 10% in VA. Hilliary's lead over Trump is about the same in as the results for Obama in 2008.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/clinton-leads-trump-fox-poll/2016/07/1
3/id/738530/

CO voted 23% for Perot in 1992.
Both VA and CO went to Obama by 51% in 2012, but Romney got over 46% both places - with no serious 3rd party.

WHOZIT

Friday, July 15, 2016 6:01 AM

Johnson is a liberal...and a pot head. The Libertarian Party is where conservatives went to get away from people like him. In 1972 many conservatives left the Republican Party and joined the Libertarian Party because they thought Nixon was too liberal, Nixon won in a land slide anyway. Libs like Johnson are going to take that party further to the left and ruin it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, July 16, 2016 3:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
New poll has Hilliary leading Trump by 9% WITH 37% in Colorado and 5% with 39% in Virginia, and Johnson gets 13% in CO and 10% in VA. Hilliary's lead over Trump is about the same in as the results for Obama in 2008.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/clinton-leads-trump-fox-poll/2016/07/1
3/id/738530/

CO voted 23% for Perot in 1992.
Both VA and CO went to Obama by 51% in 2012, but Romney got over 46% both places - with no serious 3rd party.

Cruz beat Trump and Bernie beat Hilliary in Colorado.
Trump got one third of the VA delegates, and Hilliary beat Bernie in VA.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:41 AM

Johnson gains a couple percent in new polls, even though polls are excluding him.

http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/07/14/libertarian-candidate
-gary-johnson-still-rising-says-new-poll/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-going-in
to-conventions-cbsnyt-poll/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:37 AM

I can hardly wait to see polling data following Hilliary's latest scandal with the Party of Racism, Anti-Semitism, and Intolerance (aka Democrats).

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, July 27, 2016 4:55 AM

Johnson is favorite among Military with over 38%, beating Clinton and Trump.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/288546-poll-libertarian-johnson-beat
ing-trump-clinton-among-active-duty-troops

And Johnson is at 26%, 3% behind Trump in Utah, trending towards winning Utah. Utah is worth 6 Electoral votes.
If Trump flips PA, OH, and FL his way, as recent polls have indicated, and all other states go the way of 2012 except Utah, then Johnson getting Utah would make it a Trump 267, Hilliary 265, Johnson 6 - and the Electoral College would not generate a winner. The Election would need to go to Congress to have the President elected by the House and the Veep elected by the Senate.

https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-election/poll-gary-johnson-26-utah
-three-points-overtaking-trump/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 31, 2016 1:32 AM

A much clearer picture emerges:

https://libertarianvindicator.com/2016/06/29/99-electoral-votes-a-real
-possibility-for-governor-gary-johnson-the-libertarian-party/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:03 AM

And wiki has some info, but a bit of scrolling down is required to find it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United
_States_presidential_election,_2016

He is getting over 10% in several states, and over 15% in a few. The Utah 26% poll isn't even shown.

JO753

Monday, August 1, 2016 12:38 AM

Watched Trump on George Stephanopolis' show this morning.

Hiz scatterbrained replyz shoud make hiz supporterz reconsider and either not vote at all or swich to Johnson. But they wont. I'v alredy herd the 'throw away your vote' excuse twise today.

Sement hedz.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 2, 2016 6:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Watched Trump on George Stephanopolis' show this morning.

Hiz scatterbrained replyz shoud make hiz supporterz reconsider and either not vote at all or swich to Johnson. But they wont. I'v alredy herd the 'throw away your vote' excuse twise today.

Sement hedz.

They think that throwing their vote away on New York Liberal #1 or New York Liberal #2 when they know they'll be a horrific President is NOT throwing their vote away?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 5, 2016 4:45 AM

New poll shows he is at 15% in midwest, plus he is pulling the votes away from Hilliary in these swing states.

http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/08/03/gary-johnson-now-poll
ing-15-amongst-midwest-states-says-cnn-poll/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 5, 2016 5:04 AM

And this review is beautiful.

http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/08/04/honest-god-thoughts-j
ohnsonweld-last-nights-libertarian-town-hall/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 5, 2016 5:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And wiki has some info, but a bit of scrolling down is required to find it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United
_States_presidential_election,_2016

He is getting over 10% in several states, and over 15% in a few. The Utah 26% poll isn't even shown.

A list of some, from that linky page:

UT 16%
WI 16%
NM 14%
OH 14%
CO 13%
MS 13%
PA 13%
MI 12%
CA 10%
NV 10%
NH 10%
VT 10%
VA 10%

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 5, 2016 5:24 AM

And lookout Debates:

https://libertarianvindicator.com/2016/08/03/gary-johnson-might-get-in
to-the-presidential-debates-after-all/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:36 AM

New Marquette Law School Poll has Johnson at 10% in Wisconsin

https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2016/08/10/detailed-results-of-the-marq
uette-law-school-poll-august-4-7-2016/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, August 21, 2016 2:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And wiki has some info, but a bit of scrolling down is required to find it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United
_States_presidential_election,_2016

He is getting over 10% in several states, and over 15% in a few. The Utah 26% poll isn't even shown.

A list of some, from that linky page:

UT 16%
WI 16%
NM 14%
OH 14%
CO 13%
MS 13%
PA 13%
MI 12%
CA 10%
NV 10%
NH 10%
VT 10%
VA 10%

From his campaign page, in the past day, looks like he has 16% in CO, 12% in IA, 11% in VA.

JO753

Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:54 AM

Worth watching:

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
He won't get 2% of the vote anywhere. Waste of a vote.

Interesting prediction.
Have you ever been right about anything?

Yup. I'm right now, and I'll be right later. He could get 20% of the vote, and it wouldn't matter.

Also, libertarians are incredibly silly, and have the most nonsensical arguments and worldview imaginable. Just watch that silly, pointless "debate." Waste of a vote. I'm 100% right, there.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, September 1, 2016 5:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
He won't get 2% of the vote anywhere. Waste of a vote.

Interesting prediction.
Have you ever been right about anything?

Yup. I'm right now, and I'll be right later. He could get 20% of the vote, and it wouldn't matter.

Also, libertarians are incredibly silly, and have the most nonsensical arguments and worldview imaginable. Just watch that silly, pointless "debate." Waste of a vote. I'm 100% right, there.

To refresh the memory of those in the real world:

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
He won't get 2% of the vote anywhere.

This means that you predict Gary Johnson will get less than 2% of the vote in every State and County in America. This means not more than 2%, in English simple enough for even reaverfan to understand.
As usual, you are 100% wrong. You just have that knack.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, September 4, 2016 1:48 AM

Heard an interview where he expanded upon his plan to do away with Income Tax, including Corporate, and advance to a National Consumption Tax. Too bad the IRS will cease to exist, gazillions of people out of a job.

And last night I saw that PBS Wisconsin interviewed him. Imagine that - liberals allowing the people to see that Hilliary isn't the only candidate.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, September 9, 2016 6:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And wiki has some info, but a bit of scrolling down is required to find it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United
_States_presidential_election,_2016

He is getting over 10% in several states, and over 15% in a few. The Utah 26% poll isn't even shown.

A list of some, from that linky page:

UT 16%
WI 16%
NM 14% -> 16%
OH 14%
CO 13% -> 16%
MS 13%
PA 13%
MI 12%
CA 10%
NV 10%
NH 10% -> 14%
VT 10% -> 13%
VA 10% -> 11%

Updating the above post, which was on 4 August:

AK 16%
CO 16%
NM 16%
NC 15%
NH 14%
ID 13%
VT 13%
AZ 12%
IA 12%
ME 12%
GA 11%
VA 11%
IN 10%
OR 10%
WV 10%

That would be 23 states with 10% or more.

AND, for those Libtard types who cannot comprehend simple math, those percentages are ALL more than 2%. In fact, I don't recall seeing any of the polls listed with less than 3% for Johnson. Again, for the simple-minded, 3% is MORE than 2%, not less than 2%.

THX

Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
He has a decent chance this time largely because of the high levels of dislike for the New York Liberal #1 and New York Liberal #2 candidates.

But he is the #2 liberal. Look at him cucking out about an already euphemized phrase "illegal immigrant" (the actual legal term is illegal ALIEN.) Many say he will pull more from Hillary than Trump.

JO753

Friday, September 16, 2016 4:05 AM

Hiz respons about Allepo snapped the twig he wuz hanging frum. Too bad.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

WHOZIT

Friday, September 16, 2016 5:49 AM

Johnson does not deserve his own thread, he's a stupid lib pothead

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 16, 2016 6:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Johnson does not deserve his own thread, he's a stupid lib pothead

See, but that's where you lose people whozit.

He's not "lib" as in leftie

(Well, evidence is pointing that his camp is totally that way, but Libertarians should not be....)

And "Pot Culture" is something you're going to have to live with, whether or not you choose to partake in it or not.

Sometimes these days, in order to not be doing illegal things, I can easily swallow a 30 pack of cheep brew.

I never smoked pot at work. Whether it was retail or a real job that had potentialities behind it.

I personally know dozens of retail employees, half a dozen delivery drivers and one suit-wearing banker that regularly indulge in pot smoking nearly 24/7 when they're not sleeping.

Overall, no matter how "great" or menial their positions in life are, they generally seem happy.

Even one "tough guy" at my old job with tattoos covering 60% of his body that gave me shit one day when he was new didn't push it too far when I put him in his place.

I worked hard as I always did, and he started calling me "lady" one night....

I thought I imagined it the first time I walked past him, but there was no coincidence the second time.

He'd been there a few weeks and he loved showing off some knives he had that he could get away with having while he was at work. We did cut boxes. He just had a better utensil.

The second time I was walking by and he said it, I said "Say it Again".

"Huh?"

"Call me Lady one more time, but this time you better have more than a little knife in your pocket."

To which, he replied "I don't need a knife to beat your ass old man" ;)

"You keep telling yourself that". I said before I walked away carrying a load on a pallet jack, and gave an evil smile over my shoulder. "You know where to find me" :)

For the rest of that night, I had my Spidey Sense tingling.

If I was going to be stabbed again, this was the night.

We were not only cool, but I found out this guy loved watching History Channel WWII things on Youtube. Him and the Mom of his boy fought a lot, but they made it work enough to have him and he'd die for his boy.

This scrawny little fucking punk that worked at a tatoo shop and was over a decade younger than me who I was looking forward taking some stress out on....

Book (?) Judge (Me) Cover (Him)....

We haven't talked a while, and I know future jobs were even less easy for him given his Body Art and almost complete lack of social graces.

At the end of the day though, I know that is the type of Dad who would kill for his son.

Gary Johnson is a Pussy.

You had your chance with Ron Paul and you all blew it.

That chance will come up again, but this is not the elections to fuck with what could be

It's Trump or it's..........

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THX:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
He has a decent chance this time largely because of the high levels of dislike for the New York Liberal #1 and New York Liberal #2 candidates.

But he is the #2 liberal. Look at him cucking out about an already euphemized phrase "illegal immigrant" (the actual legal term is illegal ALIEN.) Many say he will pull more from Hillary than Trump.

Gary Johnson is not, nor has been, more liberal than either Hilliary or Trump, and he is not from New York.

His record as Governor seems quite solid.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, September 25, 2016 3:55 AM

I see that the following states do not have a plurality for either Hilliary or Trump:

AK - 29%/39%, leaving 32% for neither
DE - 42%/32%, leaving 26%
ID - 23%-44%, leaving 33%
KY - 25%/41%, leaving 34%
ME - 37%/37%, leaving 26%
OR - 43%/28%, leaving 29%
TX - 32%/39%, leaving 29%
UT - 24%/39%, leaving 37%

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 26, 2016 2:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I see that the following states do not have a plurality for either Hilliary or Trump:

AK - 29%/39%, leaving 32% for neither
DE - 42%/32%, leaving 26%
ID - 23%-44%, leaving 33%
KY - 25%/41%, leaving 34%
ME - 37%/37%, leaving 26%
OR - 43%/28%, leaving 29%
TX - 32%/39%, leaving 29%
UT - 24%/39%, leaving 37%

With up to 37% for neither Hilliary or Trump, a little surge for Johnson in these states could give him the Electoral Votes for these states, and deny both Hilliary and Trump the Electoral majority.

JO753

Monday, September 26, 2016 11:13 PM

Woct him on the Jorj Stefanopolis show yesterday. He came across az a loon.
I think he may hav smoked a dooby just befor the interview!

Asked about global warming and he went to the dum guy argument - the world iz doomed anyway, so dont bother - blathering about the sun dying in a billion yirz and plate tektonics. A true Libertarian after all!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

REAVERFAN

Monday, September 26, 2016 11:21 PM

What an idiot.

ELVISCHRIST

Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:32 AM

Gary Johnson is a fucking idiot.

First, he has no idea at all what the fuck Aleppo is.

Then he says we shouldn't worry about climate change because someday the Sun will engulf the Earth.

Hell, why is he worried about our national debt if that's the case?

Dude's a fucking dumbass, and so is anyone fool enough to vote for his stupid ass.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, September 30, 2016 6:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And wiki has some info, but a bit of scrolling down is required to find it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United
_States_presidential_election,_2016

He is getting over 10% in several states, and over 15% in a few. The Utah 26% poll isn't even shown.

A list of some, from that linky page:

UT 16%
WI 16%
NM 14% -> 16%
OH 14%
CO 13% -> 16%
MS 13%
PA 13%
MI 12%
CA 10%
NV 10%
NH 10% -> 14%
VT 10% -> 13%
VA 10% -> 11%

Updating the above post, which was on 4 August:

AK 16%
CO 16%
NM 16%
NC 15%
NH 14%
ID 13%
VT 13%
AZ 12%
IA 12%
ME 12%
GA 11%
VA 11%
IN 10%
OR 10%
WV 10%

That would be 23 states with 10% or more.

AND, for those Libtard types who cannot comprehend simple math, those percentages are ALL more than 2%. In fact, I don't recall seeing any of the polls listed with less than 3% for Johnson. Again, for the simple-minded, 3% is MORE than 2%, not less than 2%.

The above post was on 8 September.
Further polling data is as follows:
WA 16%
NH 15%
VA 15%
PA 14%
CA 11%
IN 11%
NV 11%
OR 11%
TX 10%
WY 10%

Because the updates are getting large,
All combined:
WA 16%
UT 16%
WI 16%
NM 16%
AK 16%
CO 16%
NH 15%
VA 15%
NC 15%
PA 14%
OH 14%
VT 13%
MS 13%
ID 13%
AZ 12%
IA 12%
ME 12%
CA 11%
IN 11%
NV 11%
OR 11%
GA 11%
MI 10%
TX 10%
WY 10%
WV 10%

That is 26 States with 10% or more in at least one poll.
In the real world, 10% is more than 2%.

And I've heard reports that about 70% of voters do not know who he is. So if 30% have heard of him, and up to 16% would vote for him, that would mean that if everybody heard of him, he might have 53% of the vote in 6 states, and also 50% in another 3 states. 13% now would extrapolate to 40% (with 100% awake and aware), which would be enough to carry the state in the 12 States above showing more than 12% for him.

UT, ID, AK look very interesting.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And wiki has some info, but a bit of scrolling down is required to find it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United
_States_presidential_election,_2016

He is getting over 10% in several states, and over 15% in a few. The Utah 26% poll isn't even shown.

A list of some, from that linky page:

Because the updates are getting large,
All combined:
WA 16%
UT 16%
WI 16%
NM 16%
AK 16%
CO 16%
NH 15%
VA 15%
NC 15%
PA 14%
OH 14%
VT 13%
MS 13%
ID 13%
AZ 12%
IA 12%
ME 12%
CA 11%
IN 11%
NV 11%
OR 11%
GA 11%
MI 10%
TX 10%
WY 10%
WV 10%

That is 26 States with 10% or more in at least one poll.
In the real world, 10% is more than 2%.

And I've heard reports that about 70% of voters do not know who he is. So if 30% have heard of him, and up to 16% would vote for him, that would mean that if everybody heard of him, he might have 53% of the vote in 6 states, and also 50% in another 3 states. 13% now would extrapolate to 40% (with 100% awake and aware), which would be enough to carry the state in the 12 States above showing more than 12% for him.

UT, ID, AK look very interesting.

That list was from Sep 29.

Update, from the link listed:
NM - 24%
AK - 18%
MT - 11%

Yes, in the real world, those are all more than 2%.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, November 4, 2016 6:38 AM

What a douchebag Weld turned out to be.

But I'm still voting for Gary at the top of the ticket.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, November 7, 2016 12:56 AM

This poll graphic indicates Hilliary is only up to 269 - and this site is heavily biased towards her.

http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2016/polls.php

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, November 7, 2016 1:08 AM

MI up to 11%

1KIKI

Monday, November 7, 2016 1:14 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_elec
tion_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

http://fivethirtyeight.com/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 6:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
MI up to 11%

And also a poll in Utah had McCullin with 31%, making a 4% lead over the 2 New York Liberals.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 6:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This poll graphic indicates Hilliary is only up to 269 - and this site is heavily biased towards her.

http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2016/polls.php

Today same heavily biased site has Hilliary with 224 Electoral Votes.

I had hoped to make a list of different polls and their current numbers, but I worked too long tonight.

Tomorrow all the polls will change their numbers and say they were accurate all along.

1KIKI

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 8:45 AM

Well drat! I would have been interested if you'd been able to post. Better luck next time!

I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, November 9, 2016 5:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This poll graphic indicates Hilliary is only up to 269 - and this site is heavily biased towards her.

http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2016/polls.php

Today same heavily biased site has Hilliary with 224 Electoral Votes.

I had hoped to make a list of different polls and their current numbers, but I worked too long tonight.

Tomorrow all the polls will change their numbers and say they were accurate all along.

And today this site gives Hilliary CO, so she has 233 Electoral Votes by that measure.

Of course, most Americans have been aware that this night, no matter who wins, America will lose, for the 3th straight quadrennium.

The good news? An easily beatable President in 4 years. Whether President Kane or Trump, all that tonight's losing Party needs to do is put up a decent candidate for once. Either Kane or Trump might even get Primaried - losing to a decent candidate in the Primaries.
Or, if she doesn't get Impeached (this time the Senate is currently in Republican majority, unlike the last 2 Impeachments), and removed, Hilliary is surely to be even more despised than now.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, November 9, 2016 5:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well drat! I would have been interested if you'd been able to post. Better luck next time!

I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.

Ok, here's one - that site I've quoted with aggregate polling.

HRC - WA, OR, CA, NM, MN, WI, IL, VA, NY, VT, CT, MA, RI, RI, NJ, DE, ME, MD, CO.

DT - MT, ID, UT, AZ, WY, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, TX, MO, AR, LA, MS, AL, SC, GA, TN, KY, IN, WV.

TOSSUPS - NV, IA, MI, OH, PA, FL, NC, NH.

Not as detailed as I normally prefer, but what I have time for now. Of course, many of the sites are fluid, so you can't use a link, you must freeze or snapshot a page on certain days to review at a later date.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, November 9, 2016 6:34 AM

And remember, there is Express Voting only for liberals, tomorrow. There will be no lines to wait in.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, November 9, 2016 6:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well drat! I would have been interested if you'd been able to post. Better luck next time!

I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.

If you are interested, and have not done so before, it is fun to start recording your TV braodcast, and then you can check out the count swings later, like in the upcoming days. Make sure to record a channel which has the scrolling ticker with numbers.
You can later determine by detailed check of turnout %, and margin %, and observe how much of each count dump was balanced (50/50) or lopsided, almost 100%. Each state, or each race, or just the states you later deem to be interesting. Leave the TV on and the recording device going after you go to bed.
This can be very informative, and the trends you detect usually repeat themselves each election cycle.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.

I suspect that Sanders supporters are chanting this very thing for a few years.

I kept forgetting to mention this:
This is the first honest and valid General Election that Wisconsin has had in many decades - at least 3 decades. WI now has Voter ID Law in place, for the first time in General Election.
The polls showed Hilliary carrying WI easily - it was not a tossup State. It turned out to be the only non-tossup State to switch sides - Hilliary lost it to Trump. She had a 5% margin.

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:37 PM

Democrats, Media Push Myth Third Partiers Spoiled Hillary Win
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/democrats-media-push-myth-third-par
tiers-spoiled-hillary-win/

Washington County sees Astronomical Libertarian Party Growth in the presidential election results
http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Politics/2016/11/12/Washington-County-
sees-third-part-bump-in-presidential-election-results.html?ci=featured&lp=9&ti=

Deeply Flawed As A Candidate, Hillary Was The Wrong Leader At The Wrong Time
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/17/deeply-flawed-as-a-candidate-hillary
-was-the-wrong-leader-at-the-wrong-time/

Gary Johnson has no regrets
http://www.chieftain.com/news/politics/5330716-120/johnson-party-liber
tarian-candidate

Libertarian Party Breaks Half a Million Registered Voters
https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/15/liberarian-party-breaks-half-a-mill
ion-r

What little exposure he did get, the Press seem to have gave him a rough time

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
He won't get 2% of the vote anywhere. Waste of a vote.

In the event you visit reality anytime soon, Gary Johnson won 3.27% of the popular vote nationwide.

Since you are obviously a Libtard, I can explain to you that in the real world, 3.27% is more than 2%.

Did you waste your vote on New York Liberal #1 and/or New York liberal #2?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Democrats, Media Push Myth Third Partiers Spoiled Hillary Win
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/democrats-media-push-myth-third-par
tiers-spoiled-hillary-win/

Washington County sees Astronomical Libertarian Party Growth in the presidential election results
http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Politics/2016/11/12/Washington-County-
sees-third-part-bump-in-presidential-election-results.html?ci=featured&lp=9&ti=

Deeply Flawed As A Candidate, Hillary Was The Wrong Leader At The Wrong Time
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/17/deeply-flawed-as-a-candidate-hillary
-was-the-wrong-leader-at-the-wrong-time/

Gary Johnson has no regrets
http://www.chieftain.com/news/politics/5330716-120/johnson-party-liber
tarian-candidate

Libertarian Party Breaks Half a Million Registered Voters
https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/15/liberarian-party-breaks-half-a-mill
ion-r

That last story is interesting.
Only the third party in U.S. History to have a half Million Registered members.
Other Candidates outside the GOP/Dems have garnered Electoral Votes, yet didn't reach that milestone.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:43 AM

I post this fact because I also pointed it out after the Obama Election, where he won by about 310,000 votes - or less than a tenth of a percent of the population.

Donald Trump won 304 Electoral Votes.
If he had 10,705 less votes in Michigan, he would have failed to garner those 16 Electoral Votes.
If he had 44,293 less votes in Pennsylvania, he would have failed to garner those 20 Electoral Votes.
Without those 36 Electoral Votes, his total would have been 268 Electoral Votes, and the Presidential race would have been decided by the House of Representatives, where Trump was despised by the GOP.

So Trump won by 54,998 votes.

THGRRI

Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:51 AM

You really need to checks your facts Jack. Perhaps your sources as well. Maybe then you'll change some of your opinions. At least when it comes to Obama. I don't care how much Trump won by. He won and is President.

Barack Obama won the 2008 Presidential Election with 52.9% of the popular vote.

Barack Obama 69,498,516 Democratic Joe Biden
John McCain 59,948,323 Republican Sarah Palin

Barack Obama won the 2012 Presidential Election with 51.1% of the popular vote.

Barack Obama 65,915,796 Democratic Joe Biden
Mitt Romney 60,933,500 Republican Paul Ryan

Barack Obama won the election in 2008 with 365 electoral votes.

Barack Obama 365 Democratic Joe Biden
John McCain 173 Republican Sarah Palin

Barack Obama won the election in 2012 with 332 electoral votes.

Barack Obama 332 Democratic Joe Biden
Mitt Romney 206 Republican Paul Ryan

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I post this fact because I also pointed it out after the Obama Election, where he won by about 310,000 votes - or less than a tenth of a percent of the population.

Donald Trump won 304 Electoral Votes.
If he had 10,705 less votes in Michigan, he would have failed to garner those 16 Electoral Votes.
If he had 44,293 less votes in Pennsylvania, he would have failed to garner those 20 Electoral Votes.
Without those 36 Electoral Votes, his total would have been 268 Electoral Votes, and the Presidential race would have been decided by the House of Representatives, where Trump was despised by the GOP.

So Trump won by 54,998 votes.

---------------------

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 28, 2017 9:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
You really need to checks your facts Jack. Perhaps your sources as well. Maybe then you'll change some of your opinions. At least when it comes to Obama. I don't care how much Trump won by. He won and is President.

Barack Obama won the 2008 Presidential Election with 52.9% of the popular vote.

Barack Obama 69,498,516 Democratic Joe Biden
John McCain 59,948,323 Republican Sarah Palin

Barack Obama won the 2012 Presidential Election with 51.1% of the popular vote.

Barack Obama 65,915,796 Democratic Joe Biden
Mitt Romney 60,933,500 Republican Paul Ryan

Barack Obama won the election in 2008 with 365 electoral votes.

Barack Obama 365 Democratic Joe Biden
John McCain 173 Republican Sarah Palin

Barack Obama won the election in 2012 with 332 electoral votes.

Barack Obama 332 Democratic Joe Biden
Mitt Romney 206 Republican Paul Ryan

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I post this fact because I also pointed it out after the Obama Election, where he won by about 310,000 votes - or less than a tenth of a percent of the population.

Donald Trump won 304 Electoral Votes.
If he had 10,705 less votes in Michigan, he would have failed to garner those 16 Electoral Votes.
If he had 44,293 less votes in Pennsylvania, he would have failed to garner those 20 Electoral Votes.
Without those 36 Electoral Votes, his total would have been 268 Electoral Votes, and the Presidential race would have been decided by the House of Representatives, where Trump was despised by the GOP.

So Trump won by 54,998 votes.

---------------------

I gotta go with Assange here. Trump most likely won in a landslide, 59%:41%, and Sanders as well 64%:36%; and Sanders would've defeated Trump 54%:46%.

One could argue that all day, but the fact that everything online predicted this, outside mainstream media with it's cherrypicked 700 people surveys, isn't the point, nor is the point the legitimacy of Trump's presidency or Hillary's campaign.

The point is this:

Our democracy is screwed, and not because of the Russians. if we care about the future, we have to do something about this, or we'll soon find ourselves with random appointees selected by coporate voting machines and nothing else.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:07 AM

Just let me enjoy the next 4-8 years where the white male American isn't the most despised person on the planet. I'm sure we'll pick up right where we left off when Michelle Obama is our first female president.

They already pick em for us. I'm only really half interested just because sports and fantasy football don't do it for me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SOCKPUPPET

Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just let me enjoy the next 4-8 years where the white male American isn't the most despised person on the planet. I'm sure we'll pick up right where we left off when Michelle Obama is our first female president.

They already pick em for us. I'm only really half interested just because sports and fantasy football don't do it for me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Ya think you'll get that, eh?

Don't know if you noticed, but they're already building a pillory and a gallows for people who post stuff like that.

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, August 6, 2023 6:03 AM

Biden and Trump in a dead heat in hypothetical 2024 rematch, poll finds

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/01/biden-trump-2024-poll-0010916
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