A sensible discussion about Russia's threat to the USA
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 3, 2026 02:56
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Far better than I could even think to hope to try!
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote Me
The Saker" is a pseudonym SIG for SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE a top level American military analyst who lives in Florida and who DOES NOT WANT TO TELL US HIS NAME.
SIG's Response
No, he doesn't. He claims he USED TO BE a military analyst, but for a European nation. You just make shit up whole cloth, don't you? Hey! I have an idea! You tell us YOUR name! Sounds like a great idea, right?
Quote Me
Ok SIG, when it comes to publishing stories and blogging, if you use a pseudonym you have no credibility. I guess you don't understand the difference between my posting here and what he is doing. That's both sad and telling SIG.
Now, even though this comes from a long bullshit rant by you, I am going to address the very first point you make and leave the rest. I am about out of patience with you and 1kiki today.
First of all the SAKER is your source. Secondly here is the link proving me right once again and you, well, an ass as always. I'll give you some good advice. If all you do is lie and all your sources lie. Well, you're bound to get caught lying.
"The Saker" is a pseudonym for a top level American military analyst who lives in Florida, the author of the leading blog covering the Ukraine crisis, His articles are some of the most popular on Russia Insider.
http://russia-insider.com/en/users/saker
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He's a fucking crazy stupid lying nutjob asshole.
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Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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First of all the SAKER is your source. Secondly here is the link proving me right once again and you, well, an ass as always. I'll give you some good advice. If all you do is lie and all your sources lie. Well, you're bound to get caught lying.
"The Saker" is a pseudonym for a top level American military analyst who lives in Florida, the author of the leading blog covering the Ukraine crisis, His articles are some of the most popular on Russia Insider.
http://russia-insider.com/en/users/saker
OMFG. THUGR, you really REALLY should think before you post.
Why are you going to a SECONDARY website find out what the Saker says about himself, when you could go to The Saker's website directly?
Here is what he says about himself:
http://thesaker.is/submarines-in-the-desert-as-my-deepest-gratitude-to
-you/
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My life has been one of ups and downs. Early on, after a pretty nasty childhood, it went up, rather rapidly. Then came the “fall from (pseudo-) grace” and I lost my career. It is still too early to go into all the details, but let’s just say that I used to be associated with a “three letter outfit” whose existence was not well-known by the general public and which has since been disbanded. In my field, I got to the proverbial ‘top’ pretty early on, but soon the war in Bosnia began to open my eyes to many things I had never suspected before. Then I found out about two things which got me blacklisted in my own, putatively democratic, country: I found out that a group of people had uselessly been murdered as a result of the criminal incompetence of their superiors and I found out that one guy had taken a long jail sentence while all this superiors had managed to walk away from a crime they all had committed. And even though I never went public, or even told my closest friends about it (to protect them), I was blacklisted and prevented from ever working again.
In those dark days my wonderful wife was always trying to tell me that it was not my fault, that I had never done anything wrong, that I was paying the price for being a person of integrity and that I had proven many times over how good I was in my field. I always used to bitterly reply to her that I was like a “submarine in a desert”: maybe very good at “something somewhere”, but useless in my current environment (I always used to visualize a Akula-class SSN stranded smack in the middle of the Sahara desert – what a sight that would be! I wish somebody would use a Photoshop-like software to create that pic). What I have found out since, is that our planet is covered with deserts and that there are many, many submarines in them, all yearning for the vastness of an ocean.
Modest beginnings at first
I came to the USA in 2002 ...
http://thesaker.is/submarines-in-the-desert-as-my-deepest-gratitude-to
-you/
That means that he was NOT working for the CIA.
And you just discovered and revealed WHY I don't go to Russian Insider: It's not very accurate, and therefore not very informative!
Jimminy crimminy, THUGR. Basic research, dude, learn to do basic research.
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OMFG. THUGR, you really REALLY should think before you post.
Why are you going to a SECONDARY website find out what the Saker says about himself, when you could go to The Saker's website directly?
Here is what he says about himself:
http://thesaker.is/submarines-in-the-desert-as-my-deepest-gratitude-to
-you/
Response Me
Wow you're full of hot air. Did you even read his BIO? You couldn't have. You must have read a different BIO attached to him at one of your other Russian sources. Just as I did comrade.
Hey SIG, remember when you made this claim?-"No, he doesn't. He claims he USED TO BE a military analyst, but for a European nation. You just make shit up whole cloth, don't you?"-It's hard for them to keep track of all their lies SIG. Actually, you probably just cut and pasted without really reading."
It's you that needs to think before you post. That whole big waste of a rant from you just to have me respond with, BUY HIS OWN ADMISSION SIG, HE'S DUTCH/RUSSIAN
The bit about the submarine should have given it away SIG. Akula-class is a nuclear-powered attack submarine first deployed by the Soviet Navy in 1986.
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SAKER
"Finally, and just for the record, a few points: I never did any intelligence gathering for anybody, though I was approached by the Americans, the Russians and the Swiss do to exactly that, but I turned them all down (just not my cup of tea at all). While my maternal family are all from the Russian nobility, my Dutch DNA is 100% proletarian, and I am quite happy with that mix."
I get a regular trickle of donations from the blog, but nothing major, and only 2 private donors (thanks guys!!) provide most of it anyway.
We all know who one of those private donor is. I'll give you a hint. PU?in
Like I said in my last post to you. When you lie and your sources lie, you are bound to get caught in a lie.
Finally, you do without a doubt troll for Russia. And so do your sources.
Pack 1kiki back into your suitcase and go home comrade. Or at least stop lying about and spreading untruths about my country. There is enough hardship in the world without having trolls exasperate things.
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So, let's see .... your big beef with the Saker isn't because what he says is inaccurate, and not because he claimed he was CIA (which he didn't, that was a mistake on your part) but because his mother's side of the family LEFT RUSSIA BECAUSE THEY WERE NOBILITY AND MIGHT NOT HAVE DONE WELL UNDER SOCIALISM? And you ASSUME that Putin pays for his blog, even though he is now a citizen of the USA and could easily be found out and exposed by the FBI?
THUGR, you're loonier than I thought.
As a matter of fact, in one of his podcasts, he did describe his background a bit, and (if I remember correctly) he said that his mother's family were "White Russians" and part of the Russian nobility. White Russians fought against the Bolsheviks/ Red Army during the Russian Civil War.
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
The two largest combatant groups were the Red Army, fighting for the Bolshevik form of socialism, and the loosely allied forces known as the White Army, which included diverse interests favoring monarchism, capitalism and alternative forms of socialism, each with democratic and antidemocratic variants... The Red Army defeated the White Armed Forces of South Russia in Ukraine and the army led by Admiral Aleksandr Kolchak in Siberia in 1919. The remains of the White forces commanded by Pyotr Nikolayevich Wrangel were beaten in Crimea and evacuated in late 1920. Lesser battles of the war continued on the periphery for two more years, and minor skirmishes with the remnants of the White forces in the Far East continued well into 1923
According to Saker, his family escaped Russia to Switzerland (which IIRC is where he was born) and then emigrated to Argentina. Now, since his family fought AGAINST the Bolsheviks, he was brought up to be strongly anti-Soviet. Later, he came to a grudging respect for Putin. But it's not a bias he grew up with.
He seems to be most accurate when he's writing about his area of expertise, which is eastern Europe/ western Russia. However, he's guessed ahead wrongly more than once about the Mideast, which apparently is an area he knows less about. Also, he's a strongly religious Orthodox Christian. You should hear him talk about the living presence of good and evil in the world: for an atheist like me it sounds pretty woo-woo. So while I read him, I discard probably about 80% of what I read.
You've really gone off the deep end on an irrelevant topic, but I haven't been distracted from noticing that you STILL didn't answer my original - and continually asked- questions:
WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS, and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM
Because for someone who sees "Putin" in every shadow and under every bed, you have yet to tell me how "Putin" is such a big problem for "our" interests, however you're able to describe them. If you can.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let's see .... your big beef with the Saker isn't because what he says is inaccurate, and not because he claimed he was CIA (which he didn't, that was a mistake on your part) but because his mother's side of the family LEFT RUSSIA BECAUSE THEY WERE NOBILITY AND MIGHT NOT HAVE DONE WELL UNDER SOCIALISM? And you ASSUME that Putin pays for his blog, even though he is now a citizen of the USA and could easily be found out and exposed by the FBI?
THUGR, you're loonier than I thought.
As a matter of fact, in one of his podcasts, he did describe his background a bit, and (if I remember correctly) he said that his mother's family were "White Russians" and part of the Russian nobility. White Russians fought against the Bolsheviks/ Red Army during the Russian Civil War.
Quote SIG;
He claims he USED TO BE a military analyst, but for a European nation. You just make shit up whole cloth, don't you?"-
Oh wait, now I remember. What a tangled web we weave when at first we do deceive. Aye SIG?
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QUOTE SIG
So, let's see .... your big beef with the Saker isn't because what he says is inaccurate, and not because he claimed he was CIA
Your ignorance is unsurpassed SIG. My beef is with you.
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So, let's see .... your big beef with the Saker isn't because what he says is inaccurate, and not because he claimed he was CIA (which he didn't, that was a mistake on your part) but because his mother's side of the family LEFT RUSSIA BECAUSE THEY WERE NOBILITY AND MIGHT NOT HAVE DONE WELL UNDER SOCIALISM? And you ASSUME that Putin pays for his blog, even though he is now a citizen of the USA and could easily be found out and exposed by the FBI?
THUGR, you're loonier than I thought.
As a matter of fact, in one of his podcasts, he did describe his background a bit, and (if I remember correctly) he said that his mother's family were "White Russians" and part of the Russian nobility. White Russians fought against the Bolsheviks/ Red Army during the Russian Civil War. He claims he USED TO BE a military analyst, but for a European nation. You just make shit up whole cloth, don't you?"- SIGNY
Oh wait, now I remember. What a tangled web we weave when at first we do deceive. Aye SIG?- THUGR
Right now, you've pointed in so many directions and accused me of so many things, I don't even know WHAT you're saying anymore. Do you suppose you could wrap up your allegations in one or two sentences that you are willing to stick with, instead of allowing your delusions to roam? Because you've just been frothing and wildly pointing in every direction, as far as I can tell. It's a little hard to keep up with your rapidly shifting paranoia.
Also, care to answer the questions
WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?
Or are you terrified of something you can't even describe?
I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Right now, you've pointed in so many directions and accused me of so many things, I don't even know WHAT you're saying anymore. Do you suppose you could wrap up your allegations in one or two sentences that you are willing to stick with ETA:and support with evidence: instead of allowing your delusions to roam? - SIGNY
Apparently not.
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