A sensible discussion about Russia's threat to the USA
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 3, 2026 02:56
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Well SIG, I guess you are expecting me to argue my points further against the bullshit you just posted. No, it would only beget more bullshit. And there was a reason I said I gleefully looked forward to you presenting a defense of Russia. Lol
I keep telling you that I post to expose you as someone who trolls on behalf of Russia. You posted what you did because you are not very smart. In response to my post you once again give a full throated defense of Russia. Again you attack America’s interests and assertions and promote Russia’s. And again it is obvious you lie, dismiss facts, or question what is said as though it is not a complete statement deserving of an answer from you. In these instances you just pose another question.
It’s pretty damning evidence SIG. Still, it’s nothing new. You have manufactured a defense of Russia so many times, that only others of your sort would suggest you are not constantly misrepresenting the truth when it comes to Russia.
I hope this helps others here understand your criticisms concerning America and our allies. You are anti-American. You don’t post a concern because it is a concern. Instead it is an attack against something you are jealous of. Yanno, you should try and change and replicate what America and other free nations do in Russia. It would be a nice change of pace from your constant lies and bitching.
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Well SIG, I guess you are expecting me to argue my points further against the bullshit you just posted
No, if you noticed I asked you questions. I didn't disagree much, but I DID ask you, repeatedly, to explain the connections that you've somehow made between "the security of the world" and "the interests of the United States", and to also describe, specifically, how Russia threatens "us".
So far, you've posted a definitive answer that Russia doesn't threaten our borders BUT... you then go on to point to vague threats against other entities (NATO, the EU, "the world").
If it will help clarify your thinking, I think you should be more aware every time anyone uses collectivist terms like "the world", "us", "America", "we", "the EU", or even "NATO" without recognizing that these terms imply a commonality of interests that may not, in fact, exist. In fact, when I hear words like "people" or "us" I keep thinking of the joke where the Lone Ranger tells Tonto "Quick! You distract them so we can take them out!" and Tonto replies ""What mean this 'we', Kimo Sabe?"
People really need to figure out WHO is being referred to as "us" or "we":
Average wages rose
Free trade benefits the economy
Russia threatens us.
It's almost never as universal as the word implies.
Anyway, if you could answer the questions and clarify what you mean, that would be great.
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Well SIG, I guess you are expecting me to argue my points further against the bullshit you just posted
No, if you noticed I asked you questions. I didn't disagree much, but I DID ask you, repeatedly, to explain the connections that you've somehow made between "the security of the world" and "the interests of the United States", and to also describe, specifically, how Russia threatens "us".
So far, you've posted a definitive answer that Russia doesn't threaten our borders BUT... you then go on to point to vague threats against other entities (NATO, the EU, "the world").
If it will help clarify your thinking, I think you should be more aware every time anyone uses collectivist terms like "the world", "us", "America", "we", "the EU", or even "NATO" without recognizing that these terms imply a commonality of interests that may not, in fact, exist.
Anyway, if you could answer the questions and clarify what you mean, that would be great.
Again SIG you post subjective bullshit. Who do you think you're fooling with this spin. Anyway....I will repost a portion of my last post that explains just what you do. I mean shit, I just got done saying it and there you go again doing it in your very next post. Besides, if you where an American you would already know the answers to the questions you ask.
"I keep telling you that I post to expose you as someone who trolls on behalf of Russia. It is obvious you lie, dismiss facts, or question what is said as though it is not a complete statement deserving of an answer from you. In these instances you just pose another question."
I give your quoted post above as exhibit A COMRADE.
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In other words, you can't even explain the following ...
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Russia is a threat to the world so then yes it is a threat to us. Especially when it has dictators like Putin controlling it.- THUGR
So, are we "the world"? Are you somehow conflating "the interests of the world" with "the interests of the United States"? In what way are the interests of the United States and the interests of "the world the same? And how, specifically, does Russia threaten them? -SIGNY
So, are we "the world"?
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Let’s see, does Russia threaten our border? No BUT what Russia is doing in Syria is threatening the borders of Europe (NATO). Destabilizing NATO definitely effects us. How are they doing this? They are bombing hospitals and civilians indiscriminately and forcing millions of Syrians to migrate there. They are also starving Syrian’s [sic] in an attempt to either force them out or into capitulation . Women and children SIG. That’s why Russia bombed the UN convoy. [That is still to be demonstrated -SIGNY]- THUGR
.... are you saying there were NO refugees leaving Syria before Russia become involved (which, as you may recall, began in Sept 2015)? That the entire refugee crisis can be laid at the feet of Russia, and that all of the migrants are Syrian? There are no migrants from Iraq, Afghanistan, Eritrea, Libya, Sudan etc? in Europe? And all of this started just last year, you say? -SIGNY
So, is that what you're saying? That the whole refugee crisis has nothing to do with the entire Middle East and N Africa- from Afghanistan to Libya - having been turned into a giant clusterfuck, thanks to the United States and its allies destroying three nations and trying to destroy a fourth?
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These migrants are destabilizing the surrounding area's as well. Which is a direct threat to us.- THUGR
HOW is it a "direct threat" to us?? Again, have you conflated the EU's interests with ours? I see that there is dissension within the EU against Merkel's refugee policy. So what? I fail to connect the dots between dissension against Merkel... which will be handled in the ordinary democratic way by voting her party out of office ... and "threat to the USA". Please explain.-SIGNY
So, what is "the area" which is being destabilized by migrants, and how is that a DIRECT THREAT to us?
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Again SIG you post subjective bullshit...
In these instances you just pose another question.-THUGR
First of all, I don't post "another" question, I've been posting pretty much the same one, over and over.
And what's so bad about asking questions, anyway? Didn't the Founding Fathers ask some pretty fundamental questions about the nature of government?
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SIG its out of the bag. You troll for Russia. Either way your post shows your ignorance. lol, don't you know anything? Buy a book comrade, read a real newspaper. Below is an example of why you don't know shit about what's going on.
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The piece about the convoy comes from a person who calls himself The Saker (not "seeker". A saker is a large falcon.) I've found him to be well-informed about military tactics and strategies, not so much about economics. Therefore, I tend not to bring him to the board unless he;s talking about weapons and military strategy and tactics. He has podcast something of his background, which is basically unverifiable, and is currently a citizen of the USA and living in FLA.
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The Saker" is a pseudonym SIG for SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE a top level American military analyst who lives in Florida and who DOES NOT WANT TO TELL US HIS NAME. He writes a blog SIG a blog. He covers the Ukraine crisis. His articles are some of the most popular on Russia Insider.
The Russian insider is a Russia news website launched in September 2014, based in Moscow, Russia. Moscow Russia SIG. The Insider reports on political and social affairs. The independent media source aims to promote a better understanding of Russia. Its mission is media criticism and reform, underlining the issues of Western media which are seen by the founders as extremely biased, especially on Russia, The website was criticized for its pro-Russian stance. It's pro Russian stance SIG.
Criticized for it pro-Russian stance comrade troll SIG. In other words your sources are bullshit and propaganda
OK SIG get it. You need to ask so many questions because all you do is cut and paste shit from unreliable sources.
Up you game comrade or go home
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Quote:No, he doesn't. He claims he USED TO BE a military analyst, but for a European nation. You just make shit up whole cloth, don't you?
SIG its out of the bag. You troll for Russia. Either way your post shows your ignorance. lol, don't you know anything? Buy a book comrade, read a real newspaper. Below is an example of why you don't know shit about what's going on. -THUGR
The piece about the convoy comes from a person who calls himself The Saker (not "seeker". A saker is a large falcon.) I've found him to be well-informed about military tactics and strategies, not so much about economics. Therefore, I tend not to bring him to the board unless he;s talking about weapons and military strategy and tactics. He has podcast something of his background, which is basically unverifiable, and is currently a citizen of the USA and living in FLA. -SIGNY
The Saker" is a pseudonym SIG for SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE a top level American military analyst
Quote:Hey! I have an idea! You tell us YOUR name! Sounds like a great idea, right?
who lives in Florida and who DOES NOT WANT TO TELL US HIS NAME.
Quote:Yeah, he writes a blog. And ...?
He writes a blog SIG a blog.
Quote:I have no idea how popular his articles are on Russia Insider, and I doubt YOU know that, either. More shit made up whole cloth: that seems to be your forte. Saker is also rather frequently posted on UNZ REVIEW, http://www.unz.com/author/the-saker/ which is how I found him. So, are you saying that the Saker is guilty of ... something .... because Russia Insider links him? Tell me, does Saker have any control over who links to his articles? And does that mean the Unz Review is also contaminated in your view?
He covers the Ukraine crisis. His articles are some of the most popular on Russia Insider.
Sheesh!
Quote:Yes, I know about it, I just don't go there very much, it's a ripoff. They take articles from other websites and post them without paying for content, and then do aggressive appeals for donations to help fund their (nonexistent) "journalism". I wouldn't go there either, if I were you.
The Russian insider is a Russia news website launched in September 2014, based in Moscow, Russia. Moscow Russia SIG. The Insider reports on political and social affairs. The independent media source aims to promote a better understanding of Russia. Its mission is media criticism and reform, underlining the issues of Western media which are seen by the founders as extremely biased, especially on Russia, The website was criticized for its pro-Russian stance. It's pro Russian stance SIG.
But let's say that you find a credible "pro-Russian" website: So what???
SyriaDirect is pro-Syrian "rebel".
SouthFront is pro-Syria government.
BBC is pro-UK establishment.
MSNBC and HuffPo are pro-liberal.
NYT is pro-American establishment.
Xinhua is pro-Chinese government.
Tehran Times is pro-Iran government, and
Al Jazeera is pro-Muslim Brotherhood, and funded by Qatar.
ZeroHedge (my go-to site) is pro-catastrophe. With them, it's always THE END! of something.
Quote:My sources come from everywhere. I figure the bullshit and propaganda kind of cancels out that way.
Criticized for it pro-Russian stance comrade troll SIG. In other words your sources are bullshit and propaganda
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OK SIG get it. You need to ask so many questions because all you do is cut and paste shit from unreliable sources.
I need to keep asking the same question over and over because you apparently can't answer it. You said
Quote:WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?
Again you attack America’s interests and assertions and promote Russia’s
Just answer the friggin' questions, ok? They're really simple.
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AS simple as they are, THUDGR will NEVER be able to answer them. Because he's a fucking crazy stupid lying nutjob asshole.
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Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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AS simple as they are, THUDGR will NEVER be able to answer them. Because he's a fucking crazy stupid lying nutjob asshole.
Oh, as far as descriptions go, just PM me and I'll make you laugh out loud about how disgusting I can get!
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But MY post shows JUST how GOD AWFUL his lies are!
Head-bangingly, mind-numbingly, out-there, plain-as-day awful! Kind of like the idiot who goes outside, points at the sun, and insists - with righteous indignation! I might add - that it's the middle of the night. REPEATEDLY! And then who calls everyone who disagrees a liar! REPEATEDLY!
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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But MY post shows JUST how GOD AWFUL his lies are!
Head-bangingly, mind-numbingly, out-there, plain-as-day awful!
Well, there's that.
I think I've been really patient, don't you? I mean, I feel like I've been really really good!
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