Just stop the useless complaining.
POSTED BY: LostInTheVerse
UPDATED: Thursday, November 25, 2004 04:27
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Originally posted by TheGreyJedi:
Well, here it is, in all it's evil, money-grubbing. hand-wringing, back door dealing, hate everyone but white conservative men glory. So bring it on, ya commie pinko leftist hippy fag.
AWESOME ROFLMFAO!!!!
Obviously folks don't have a sense fo your humor GreyJedi.
PS: This election made me so much money just in Kleenex Stock!!! HOOHAH.. Thank You Dems! I shal drink a Black and Tan in your honor.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
There are two big problems in ther United States that prevent rational discussion, one that most other devloped nations don't have and can't possibly comprehend from a distance.
The first is the media. Our media has been completely supine because its owned by big corporations, and George has promised them that they can get even bigger. In the past four years, there have been major scandals in the Bush administration and Republican policy - the energy trading deregulation that gave us Enron, torture at Abu Ghraib, the complete f*ck-up in Iraq, the outing of Valerie Plame (treason) and the fact that Bush was dragged kicking and screaming before the 9/11 commission. Each scandal got, oh, say 2 days to 2 weeks in the press.
Now, HOW MANY days/ weeks/ months did we hear about Monica Lewinsky??
The other is religion, and I vote that be our post-election topic. The USA is the most religious developed nation. Quite frankly, I have a problem with religion. I see no difference between one invisible being and another, whether it be Jesus or a six-foot white rabbit named Harvey. Religious people who believe that god has spoken to them are no longer looking at the real world. They deny the evidence (or lack of evidence) of their senses and insist that something is there that they can't point to. They stop asking questions with open-ended answers. It's just a short step from "believing" in god to "believing" in WMD, and once you get to that point, rational discussion is no longer possible.
The media is controlled by the laws of economics. I would argue that those things didn't make the news because *people* really don't care about it. Enron hearings, 9/11 hearings and so on arn't really news. Americans like sex scandals and celebrity trials. I know Martha Stewart has stolen eggs and crab apples while in jail because American LOVES to see rich people fall. Average Joes or Ahmids? Not a care.
As for religion:
You would be surprized how much of what you "know" as real is actually taken on faith. Science is a belief system. There are thousands of "facts" we know only because they were indoctrinated into us as children. They might all be "provable" but how many have actually been proven to you and how many did you take on faith that your teacher wasn't lying to you? Finally on the point of "provable" using a scientific method to prove science should be no more valid than using a spiritual method to prove reality.
And on a closing thought:
They rabbit is gray, his name is Frank and he told me the world was going to end. (I'm a Donnie Darko fan)
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As for the original post:
I agree 100% that the ad homin attacks must stop. If your guy lost, that is no excuse to personally attack the people who do not share your views.
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"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger
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Originally posted by SignyM:
There are two big problems in ther United States that prevent rational discussion, one that most other devloped nations don't have and can't possibly comprehend from a distance.
The first is the media...
The other is religion, and I vote that be our post-election topic.
So start a thread. I already broke my promise to Daddy by arguing about politics, so I might as well hit religion too, although I feel it'll be more about politics anyway. I have some ideas about religion and politics, and politics as religion that you'll probably not like.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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... just to interject. 
Religion is based on faith (in a belief system) without proof.
Science is based on proof to support faith (in a theory).
The difference with science is that when the proof changes, so does the faith.
Religions never change.
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You're talking to someone who is a scientist and has a smattering of philosophy. If we were to discuss this at length, we would eventually get to our "a priori" assumptions. My a priori assumptions are:
There is a real world.
We are connected to it through our senses.
What are yours?
As for science: Science is not a collection of "facts", it is a process of asking questions and testing the answers. Religion, however, does not put it's answers to the test. Science has allowed us to design an electric light switch that works most of the time. I can't say the same thing about religion.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Jasonzz, thank you for another shiny example of Bush-suporter rationality and reasonableness. This is another candidate for cross-posting. I don't like being threatened, or told to commit suicide.
hey whatever. label me whatever you need to if it gets you past you faking your way thru your support group. I stated my opinion and response to the completely self-defeating fatalistic viewpoints illustrated before where upon "nothing that has ever been done and nothing that ever can be done will affect any change" along with an extreme hyperpole to what must be the naturally extended conclusion.
oooooh, I am so scared of you cross-posting me. Look, if you can't stand on your own 2 feet and have a good rational discussion. If you can't understand the juxtaposition of humour along with the dopey idiotic self-defeating fatalistic spew that's been going on. Then I suppose you do need to inform your support group of "look, what mean people there are out there.! "
But when you are all done, and you feel all better about yourselves. You've dried your tears and had a nice warm meal or two along with a good night of rest. I am all ears of constructive talk and how we can make this whole thing work.
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The usual trio of verbotten subjects is politics, religion, and sex. Sex is boring. We need a third verbotten topic.
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Obviously folks don't have a sense of your humor GreyJedi
Oh, really? I thought I was being threatened. It's called "assault". It might even be called "terrorist threat", I don't know. I was going to ask Haken to ID TheGreyJedi so I could let the FBI sort out this particular use of the internet.
HAHAHA!. JUST KIDDING!!
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I take it you didn't care for my joke? Hey I was just making a point- don't get your shorts in a knot. The point is that threats are not part of a rational discussion. When you feel ready to discuss, let's talk.
BTW, I WAS blown in to the FBI from another bbx because I just kept PREDICTING stuff that was going to happen. (There's that scientific bent in me that tells me that a hypothesis isn't any good unless you can predict things ahead of time. And since I kept predicting things, I assume my hypotheses were good. Look what it got me- SHEESH!!)
All they do is follow you around for a couple of days. And when they find your life is as boring as sh*t and you aren't a threat- they stop!
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The only irony I find here SignyM is that these Right Wing Bushites are so insecure in thier "victory" they feel a need to stop any criticism.
After all, why tell people to stop complaining? Isn't this America? It's the land of bitching! That's what makes America great... constant bitching.
If Americans stop bitching the world is doomed. 
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