Just stop the useless complaining.
POSTED BY: LostInTheVerse
UPDATED: Thursday, November 25, 2004 04:27
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Words that scare the majority of sheep er ... populace - "VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!!"
{*pray ignore my inability to spell in French.}
"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm not sure I get your point? What's the irony? When someone says the fact that no WMD were found proves that Saddam had them... how does one proceed?
Wow after putting both quotes right next to each other you still couldn't figure it out. It doesn't take much of a jump from there.
"There were NO WMDs in Iraq in 2003."
"Where's your proof."
"The lack of evidence that there were WMDs in Iraq in 2003!!"
And before you try, you can never prove something didn't exist.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Since you support whats going on so much why don't you stop your complaining and join up to fight in Iraq!!
I think every Bush supporter should really show their support and join the Miltary that way the rest of us who don't won't have to worry about a draft!!
Yes, because that way, only Republicans die in battle while the wussy doves stay at home?
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Yes, yes, I know... "Absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence of absence." It was used quite a bit during the mad cow scare. And theoretically you can't prove the non-existance of something. But somewhere along the line you have to cut off insistence on mathematical certainty and go with the preponderance of evidence... especially if you're proposing to spend billions of dollars and thousands of lives to chase it.
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Hullo, Capnrahn!
I didn't actually vote for anyone, I live in the UK - but I consider myself informed and read constantly, and have American friends (mainly Republicans, frustratingly).
Bush's measures that I have opposed:
Patriot act
Iraq war
Stance on gay unions
Stance on right to choose abortion
Monopolies
Kyoto agreement
Tax cuts
Heavy borrowing
Failure to implement peace process and censure Sharon
His stance on social security and free health care
Enviroment
'Jobs for the boys'
Squandering sympathy from other nations post 9/11 in diplomatic petulance
'Appropriate interrogation techniques'
Legal limbo in Guantanamo bay
Lack of planning for occupation of Iraq
Neocon presence in cabinet - Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz who were thoroughly discredited within the CIA during the Cold War for their hyping of threats
Cynical rigging of supreme court
Use of fear to win votes
Possibly a few more.
Approve:
Tough stance on Zimbabwe over Mugabe's rigging
Generally adept stance currently as to North Korea and Africa diplomatically
Effective campaign in Afghanistan, considering the terrain and character
There you go. I am dead against Bush. I have reset my anger factor and am hearby judging him afresh from this election. So my head does not explode from 'Argh!'
And yes, I think the US is mired in one of its darkest days. But if you're sticking to the tools of democracy you have no option but to RAGE in quiet determination until the people are convinced. And if that fails. And the USA no longer speaks for you states and her people.
Break off and form a new nation - peacefully if at all possible (ha! the way the world is going...). I'm deadly serious. But democracy deserves every tool. You're fighting television and radio and an arrogant government and a point of view you cannot reconcile with... you have to give it total conviction with a strong, strong leader who is proud of his liberal values. A kick-ass liberal.
I'm veering dangerously towards political polemic here again, and I recognise you feel things are hopeless. Try again, with everything you have, I beg you. You owe your cause, that. If it fails again and again over the coming decade, then take your rightful portion of the media by force.
If it still fails then the US is lost to a one-party system, and it is the weakness and fear of the people to blame - and you will have to seccede.
Cheers, and you have my sympathies, but anger and jibes directed at Republican voters will never work. You have to be cool-headed and cut them out with logic and passion from creditable sources.
The above are in my belief apocalyptic scenarios, but appropriate responses. I much doubt that it will get THAT bad. But you have to fight, and *ugh* win the hearts and minds of those blinded by religion and party-fervour.
In sympathy,
Pete
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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"All they do is follow you around for a couple of days. And when they find your life is as boring as sh*t and you aren't a threat- they stop!" - SignyM
You fool! Why didn't you put Firefly on TV in constant rotation while you were under surveilance? Or walk up to your garbage bin very suspiciously, place a white box BEHIND it, glance around in a dodgy manner and creep back inside?
Only for the FBI men to snatch it, run back to HQ, and to find what?
A shiny Firefly DVD box set of course!
Never pass up an opportunity for conversion, matey!
Pete
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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OH DAMN!!! You're right Pete, I missed a shiny opportunity! Can you see them now- inspecting the DVD backwards and forwards, looking for the hidden message?
What was I thinking?????
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Originally posted by Connorflynn:Quote:
Originally posted by TheGreyJedi:
Well, here it is, in all it's evil, money-grubbing. hand-wringing, back door dealing, hate everyone but white conservative men glory. So bring it on, ya commie pinko leftist hippy fag.
AWESOME ROFLMFAO!!!!
Obviously folks don't have a sense fo your humor GreyJedi.
PS: This election made me so much money just in Kleenex Stock!!! HOOHAH.. Thank You Dems! I shal drink a Black and Tan in your honor.
Hullo, Connorflynn.
I have a sense of humour. I have one of the darkest senses of humour around. I watch and ENJOY Chris Morris for God's sake, and he is utterly twisted. The only comedian who can make jokes out of child murder and make a point.
But the trouble is, both your's and Greyjedi's comments don't come across as harmless jokes. They come across as something I cannot abide: Gloating. And lack of respect.
I'm proud to call myself a liberal. My grandmother was a conservative, my grandad was a communist (until invasion of Poland and it all sounds unlikely, but, y'know, only in Britain) and I've inherited beliefs from both. Calling me a fag, or a pinko (what the hell is a pinko anyway, it's catchy, but what is it?) or a hippy, or a commie is automatically voiding my arguements and beliefs solely because you view them as leftist.
Sometimes left wing ideas work. Sometimes right wing ideas work. I hate and despise doubletalk. Read 1984?
"Hate Goldstein! Love Big Brother!" and the two minutes hate?
That's short hand for "Hate liberals, love Republicans!" Or vice versa.
I'm going to keep on being reasonable about this, until I have to march over there and force feed you my bloody fist until you all get THIS: to write shorthand in politics is to polarise - to polarise is to hate - to hate is to take sides - once the media have taken one side there is one voice and one party system.
TO IGNORE THE VOICES OF OTHERS IS TO HAVE A ONE PARTY MIND.
And that state of being fills me with contempt.
Chat away, I shall amuse myself with these pornagraphic playing cards.
Pete
(Vote for Quimby. If you mayor he'd vote for you.)
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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TheGreyJedi: BTW - Yer a nearsighted, smeg swilling, yak piss drinkin'. rabid fornicator of household appliances, scabby bald Lemur. 
I wave my privates at yer aunties!
apologies to - the nearsighted, swillers of smeg, yak brew imbibers, Menage'a'appliance enthusiasts, Lemurs with excessive skin conditions and Aunts who have been traumatized by flashers. OH yes, and to Monty Python - for lifting a line! 
from that 'special hell' "Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"
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Since you support whats going on so much why don't you stop your complaining and join up to fight in Iraq!!
I think every Bush supporter should really show their support and join the Miltary that way the rest of us who don't won't have to worry about a draft!!
Bit unfair, why should he be? That's what the army's for, to fight for the policy of the government, in the name of the people. They're there so we don't have to be. That is their sacrifice. To support a war is no sin if you believe it just and can be managed with morality intact, but make damn sure your reasons are honest and that you are not corrupted in doing so. I respect the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, though I feel that they have been badly served in peacekeeper training and direction post-war.
Though, of course, they shouldn't BE there in Iraq, but that is besides the point for this reply. I was in favour of Afghanistan being invaded, but I'd be a fool to sign up because of that view. Why? Because there was an army ready to do the job. If another Hitler threatened my country, then I'd sign up. (Or be drafted, a bit more likely.)
So, anyway, don't pick on Lostintheverse on that score!
And Greyjedi? Liberals died in Spain in the 30's without hope of victory, as did socialists in Russia faced with death, as are liberal soldiers in the UK forces today and in other countries serving in Iraq who are not conservatives. The left can be willing to die for a cause, or for country, but not for something they feel unjust.
Gngh. I'm being so evenhanded I'm beginning to make even myself sick. I'm off!
Pete
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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