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Just stop the useless complaining.

POSTED BY: LostInTheVerse
UPDATED: Thursday, November 25, 2004 04:27
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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:07 PM

There are two big problems in ther United States that prevent rational discussion, one that most other devloped nations don't have and can't possibly comprehend from a distance.

The first is the media. Our media has been completely supine because its owned by big corporations, and George has promised them that they can get even bigger. In the past four years, there have been major scandals in the Bush administration and Republican policy - the energy trading deregulation that gave us Enron, torture at Abu Ghraib, the complete f*ck-up in Iraq, the outing of Valerie Plame (treason) and the fact that Bush was dragged kicking and screaming before the 9/11 commission. Each scandal got, oh, say 2 days to 2 weeks in the press.

Now, HOW MANY days/ weeks/ months did we hear about Monica Lewinsky??


The other is religion, and I vote that be our post-election topic. The USA is the most religious developed nation. Quite frankly, I have a problem with religion. I see no difference between one invisible being and another, whether it be Jesus or a six-foot white rabbit named Harvey. Religious people who believe that god has spoken to them are no longer looking at the real world. They deny the evidence (or lack of evidence) of their senses and insist that something is there that they can't point to. They stop asking questions with open-ended answers. It's just a short step from "believing" in god to "believing" in WMD, and once you get to that point, rational discussion is no longer possible.

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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:08 PM

I have the solution. Cause all the liberals to be killed via abortions by whores of mothers that brought them kicking and screaming from the womb. Then we don't have to listen to the whining and gnashing of teeth. They have two choices here. They can accept what the MAJORITY of the people have spoken for, and work WITH the system to make this country a better place, or they can cry in the wilderness, pulling out hair, smearing ashes in their clothes and on their face, and many other classical episodes of mourning. It seems rather thatn work, they'd rather cry and bitch and moan. They wanted a liberal president so they wouldn't actually have to do any work themselves, after all. So whine and gnash and moan and bitch. Just don't be surprised when I shoot you in the face for it. You were warned.

Me for Emperor of America in '08

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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:10 PM

Gray Jedi: 5 words - Popular Vote VS Electorial College.

Majority does NOT necessarily rule ...

EDIT
Fine scarcasm there - it will surely pull together the factions here!

"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"

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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:21 PM

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They wanted a liberal president so they wouldn't actually have to do any work themselves, after all. So whine and gnash and moan and bitch. Just don't be surprised when I shoot you in the face for it. You were warned.


And we see here one of those pod-people with whom rational discussion is not possible. Thank you for providing this example. I'm going to cross post this (and examples from the rest of you- and you know who you are) to every conservative who complains about how "liberals" are so mean-spirited.

BTW, you DID just threaten a whole bunch of people, you know.

Yeah, let the healing begin. NOT WITH YOU. I'm going to take the advice of that wise old philosopher- never get mad...

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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:31 PM

Yes, but this time around, Rahn, Bush has both the popular and electoral majority.

And SignyM, I never said liberals were mean-spirited. I'm a bastard, an asshole of the highest order. Mine is a reactionary assedness. If people are going to sit and cry and gnash about something that's done, finished and out of their hands, then they need to leave. Worry about the things you can do something about. Like that whole writing to your congressmen and congresswomen. Voting at every given opportunity for those who better fit your ideals. I can be reasoned with. Did you even bother to read the open letter I wrote about the election in my blog? I'd rather be reasonable. But all your particular kind of knee-jerk liberal wants is a fight. Well, here it is, in all it's evil, money-grubbing. hand-wringing, back door dealing, hate everyone but white conservative men glory. So bring it on, ya commie pinko leftist hippy fag.

PS - troll troll troll troll troll

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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:33 PM

I respectfully suggest that we no longer respond to the GreyJedi.

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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:38 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Actually, I DO BOTH. I vote, write to my Senators and Representative, write to the newapapers, comment directly to the FCC, Justice Department or wherever during public comment periods. I donate rather large sums of money to the causes of my choice. I work in a field that I believe does society some good (air pollution control) in ways that actually help business. I don't demonstrate (because it usually doesn't get any results) but I DO discuss issues... mostly in a rational manner.

I also bitch because, well, I'm scared. I've run into about a half-dozen Bush supporters on this board who no longer have a viewpoint because in order to have a viewpoint, you actually have a view. In other words, you actually have to be looking at something- able to take in and accept what the evidence of their senses tells them- and they're so far out of the real world that they're scary. People STILL think that Saddam had WMD in 2003. People STILL think that Saddam suported ObL. People are absolutely convinced that we are the good guys, even if our death toll tops Saddam's. And I think that is indicative of Bush, his Administration, and many (not all) of his supporters.

I'm willing to discuss anything with anyone in a rational manner, but when people pointing to lack of evidence as evidence, then reality has clearly gone out the window.


Doesn't anyone else see the irony here?

"People STILL think that Saddam had WMD in 2003."
"people pointing to lack of evidence as evidence, then reality has clearly gone out the window."

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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:43 PM

I'm not sure I get your point? What's the irony? When someone says the fact that no WMD were found proves that Saddam had them... how does one proceed?

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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:45 PM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

Whoa! nothing that you have done and can ever do is going to change anything? I guess it's time to just go ahead and dig your own grave and shoot yourselves.




You first.

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Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:50 PM

Jasonzz, thank you for another shiny example of Bush-suporter rationality and reasonableness. This is another candidate for cross-posting. I don't like being threatened, or told to commit suicide.

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