Just stop the useless complaining.
POSTED BY: LostInTheVerse
UPDATED: Thursday, November 25, 2004 04:27
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Hooray for all you melodramatic pricks! Your bitching about how "I'm moving to Canada so I can run away from my Country's problems and live with a bunch of French Communists" and "Oh no! 4 of more years of George Bush as President means Armageddon! It's the end of days! Everyone must sacrifice their firstborn son! Repent or burn, all ye heathens!" has been quite entertaining. But, stop. That's it. Just stop. It's useless. It's annoying. If the President does anything to piss you off that much, arrange a peaceful gathering to protest whatever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want. Write to your Representative and your Senator about it. Work to vote down everything the man tries to do. It'll be more fulfilling, more productive, and more respectable than crying yourself to sleep every night over something you very much have control of. Seriously people, it's not cute anymore. Quit your bitching and do something about it.
That's it. I'm fed up. You all have seen my posts, you know I'm typically very gracious and try to only discuss positions and issues, but I'm just tired of having my intellect and personality come into question based on how I vote. I'm tired of all this useless complaining. If you want to discuss issues and our positions on them, great. If you want to discuss possible solutions for problems, even better. If all you have to say is "Anyone who voted for Bush is a moron." or "That's it, I'm moving to Canada.", don't. Unless you want help packing your bags, in which case just ask and I'll see what I can do.
If you aren't one of the people that the above rant refers to, I'm sorry for wasting your time.
Just one (angry) man's opinion. Do what you will with it.
~ Lost In The 'Verse
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I 100% agree. First off, I haven't actually heard of anyone who really left for Canada. It's all just talk. Second, how would that solve a darn thing? It would just mean that next election your voice won't be heard cause you won't be voting. Running away from a problem is hardly a solution. The world isn't coming to an end. I promise.
You still have your freedom of speech. This is just a plee to use it constructively rather than just to annoy everyone. Go out and try to fix the problems if you believe in what you say.
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Originally posted by LostInTheVerse:
Hooray for all you melodramatic pricks! Your bitching about how "I'm moving to Canada so I can run away from my Country's problems and live with a bunch of French Communists"
Cute.
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and "Oh no! 4 of more years of George Bush as President means Armageddon! It's the end of days! Everyone must sacrifice their firstborn son! Repent or burn, all ye heathens!" has been quite entertaining. But, stop. That's it. Just stop. It's useless. It's annoying.
So sorry opinions upset you.
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If the President does anything to piss you off that much, arrange a peaceful gathering to protest whatever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want.
You mean like the protest against the Invasion of Iraq? The protest where police beat and jailed people illegally. The protest that was the largest in planetary history? A protest joined by concerned people all over the world?
The protest ignored by America?
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Write to your Representative and your Senator about it. Work to vote down everything the man tries to do. It'll be more fulfilling, more productive, and more respectable than crying yourself to sleep every night over something you very much have control of. Seriously people, it's not cute anymore. Quit your bitching and do something about it.
That's it. I'm fed up. You all have seen my posts, you know I'm typically very gracious and try to only discuss positions and issues, but I'm just tired of having my intellect and personality come into question based on how I vote.
I'm tired of all this useless complaining. If you want to discuss issues and our positions on them, great. If you want to discuss possible solutions for problems, even better. If all you have to say is "Anyone who voted for Bush is a moron." or "That's it, I'm moving to Canada.", don't. Unless you want help packing your bags, in which case just ask and I'll see what I can do.
If you aren't one of the people that the above rant refers to, I'm sorry for wasting your time.
Just one (angry) man's opinion. Do what you will with it.
People have been doing something about it for years only to be ignored, beaten, jailed, and had thier human rights taken from them. America is not a place one can protest safely, the police will arrest you if you are even a member of a group known to protest. If you are simply Arab you are problably on a terrorist list. Thousands are held right now, and for years, without any representation or even a chance to see loved ones.
If you think writing a letter will help I can't but think you believe America isn't the fascist state it is. The law of the land has changed in America and it's not catching terrorists... it's catching Americans.
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Whoa! nothing that you have done and can ever do is going to change anything? I guess it's time to just go ahead and dig your own grave and shoot yourselves.
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It is not useless complaining. It is frustrated venting due to impotent rage over being marginalized by our government.
No matter what has been said or done to DO SOMETHING - there has always been a 'spin' put on it. Anybody can make statistics dance. Trick is – to look at ALL the data. From the stats you trust all the way to the stats made by your sworn enemy. A different picture emerges, much different that either side of the teeter-totter would want you to know. To get balance – the governing body must WANT balance. But nobody wants to lose power. Power corrupts, etc …
We concerned Americans are in a quandary: Do we accept the loss of freedoms and find ourselves learning a new salute and a funky way of marching...
OR
Do we find others means to protest - in a country that now overwhelmingly states that protests are traitorous acts and our freedoms are stripped for our 'safety'...
OR
Do we bog off and be come an expatriate and hope the rest of the world remembers the lessons learned from WW2.
Let the folks vent – if you don’t like the threads – DON’T Read Them. They are not like pop-up ads… it is not truly “In Your Face”. Allow others to have the freedom of speech. I am not saying don’t put up a thread like this, because you are venting your frustration too. Just remember to allow others to do the same.
Sigh - sorry, I am a tad tetchy right now.
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I almost entirely agree with Lostintheverse's post.
However, due to comical uncertainty as to whether my work computer will allow me to post, I shall do this little missive and follow up with a chunk of thought.
Cheers,
Pete
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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CapnRahn:
I agree with your post, to an extent. I never said it should be illegal to complain, it shouldn't be. People are allowed to complain as much as they want. It'd just be less annoying to me if they did it in a productive manner.
If you feel marginalized volunteer for a campaign somewhere, maybe run for public office. Get your views out there. Start a productive organization to combat one or two or ten of the wrongs on your list. There are myriad ways to demarginalize oneself.
If anyone were to suggest that somebody shouldn't be allowed to say something, I would fight them tooth and nail in a heartbeat.
Ghoulman:
I understand your point of view. I disagree with it. I don't see this country as fascist.
I voted for Bush this time around. If you think that makes my hands blue, so be it.
~ Lost In The 'Verse
"About a year before we met, I spent 6 months on a moon where the primary form of recreation was juggling geese. My hand to god. Baby geese. Goslings. They were juggled!"
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Actually, I DO BOTH. I vote, write to my Senators and Representative, write to the newapapers, comment directly to the FCC, Justice Department or wherever during public comment periods. I donate rather large sums of money to the causes of my choice. I work in a field that I believe does society some good (air pollution control) in ways that actually help business. I don't demonstrate (because it usually doesn't get any results) but I DO discuss issues... mostly in a rational manner.
I also bitch because, well, I'm scared. I've run into about a half-dozen Bush supporters on this board who no longer have a viewpoint because in order to have a viewpoint, you actually have a view. In other words, you actually have to be looking at something- able to take in and accept what the evidence of their senses tells them- and they're so far out of the real world that they're scary. People STILL think that Saddam had WMD in 2003. People STILL think that Saddam suported ObL. People are absolutely convinced that we are the good guys, even if our death toll tops Saddam's. And I think that is indicative of Bush, his Administration, and many (not all) of his supporters.
I'm willing to discuss anything with anyone in a rational manner, but when people point to lack of evidence as evidence, then reality has clearly gone out the window.
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I can understand a high degree of upset - after all some people believe that this election is the most significant in a long while - amongst the democrats, and therefore I'd cut them a little slack for their grief over the following week or two.
After that, I'd club them to death with a cricket bat. Or something. Stiff upper lips all round, folks! It's the British way!
Lostintheverse is right, word without deed is useless. You have to fight to make your views heard, it's no use just complaining idly, then running out when election time comes and complaining that you're robbed - you have to force the people on high, and the community, to take notice of you through action.
No, not custard pie terrorism (Mmmm, custard pie terrorism) but by assessing each Republic proposal and policy that you care about and letting your voice be heard over it. With placards. With letters. With votes. With boycotts.
Hate mega-corporations like Fox and Esso and Coca-cola? Boycott them as much as is practical (sadly difficult to escape accidently giving them money - my main arguement against how the US is going) and spread information about their doings! Hit 'em where it hurts, with information and badmouthing and protesting! Leave flyers as to obvious injustices (and they have to be obvious, people can take a lot of crap from corporations)
Refuse to listen to Clearwater and write letters etc. as to how you find their clear bias intolerable. Promote the few remaining independant alternatives.
Lobby your local political figures, but politely and with well researched facts and good grammar. Nothing makes a politician play basketball with your letter and a bin faster than an angry rant.
Gather. And protest. In public places. If the police try to move you on, obey, unless you are in a public park or plaza. Then sit down. If they try to move you on by force take photos and notes (maybe the officer's badge number), and try to get back later.
Politeness is everything, even when you are fighting for what you believe in. A land of hate and bile and shouts and taunts and arrogance and ignorance is not a land that cares for democracy.
IF someone states an arguement that you do not agree with, research their arguement and then respond to it politely. Try to strike up a discourse. If they rant at you, offer them the same reasoned arguement. If they rant at you again, either shake your head sadly in word or person - or punch them in the gut for lack of respect and manners. (Punching reliant on appropriate weight ratio)
The only way we can change the world to make it a better place, sans use of force, is by treating each other like humans and monopolies as entities to be mistrusted and tolerated at best.
Saying that Bush is an idiot helps no one. It has been said before. Find something you care about that Bush is embroiled in (Enron? Gay rights?) and fight!
Calling Kerry a flip flopper and a commie is laughable now. Calling Democrat's wimps and bleeding heart liberals is boorish and against democratic principle. Discuss things. Respect opinions. Check to see if you are indeed as right as you believed on a matter.
Conspiracy theories from questionable sources won't convince anyone. Using data gathered by the UN/Amnesty internation and the Red Cross will. Using data from AP and Reuters and independant broadsheets will.
The radio and television are useless for balanced information.
Democrats - question your party.
Republicans - question your party.
On no account lamblast Republican's for their choice! You want them to change their vote next time, you're going to have to convince them with FACT, nicely, and without rancour.
And please don't solely post political stuff here. It does my head in.
To those outside America, (like me) the only way you can count is by occassionally flicking fact towards our American cousins/friends and pressurising our leaders to side for/against Bush on foreign policy.
Play nice people. Keep Fireflyfans.net 85% politics free.
Thanks for listening to me blather.
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Pete: Thing is -- yes, I have done all that and so have millions of others. To no avail. Fear is running rampant and the 'bad guys' are using it to its full extent.
So, by voting for Bush, I take it you agree in full with the Patriot Act.
And no, your hands are not 'ones of blue' - I just cannot see your perspective.
USA is mired in one of the worst times in our history.
Is that deniable? "Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"
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