A sensible discussion about Russia's threat to the USA
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
A sensible discussion about Russia with either you or 1kiki is not possible. G, KPO and I have been trying to do just that. The facts show for more than a year you two have been Putin's biggest advocates. You keep lying and denying facts when it comes to Russia. On top of that, in all our discussions you have been posting from sources like zero hedge who's writers hide their identities. Your only requirement before you post it here has been, that they are negative stories about America and our allies.
No comrade, a sensible discussion about Russia with you is not possible.= THUGR
I'm perfectly capable of having a sensible talk about Russia, and Russia's THREAT POTENTIAL TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. When Putin says... The next war isn't going to be like the last one, where the USA got to sit it out. If you threaten Russia, we will obliterate you with nuclear weapons yanno what?
THAT'S a threat. A real one. (Kind of reminds me of this great line)
I take that as a threat, and so should you.
Why?
Because it is.
But somehow, that particular threat seems to have gotten very little traction in your discussions about Russia. There are other things that I see as Russia's other real threats to the USA, which also haven't figured in any of your discussions.
If Russia and the EU want to trade- what's it to us? IF Syria asks Russia for help, and we "lose" Syria (as if we ever "had" it) - what's that to us? There are so many things that you're responding to that are such ... ghafla ... http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Ghafla ... that makes it hard to see the important.
I'm willing to talk about Russia;s threat potential to the USA. but the FIRST thing you're going to have to do ... me too... is toss your concerns against the wall of "HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE USA'S INTERESTS?" and see what sticks. If it doesn't stick, it's not a threat.
Once we decide which events are real threats and which ones aren't, we can discuss the OPTION of intervening in different regions, and why. But if it's an option, it shouldn't be confused as a necessity.
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Aw, c'mon guys, you're not even trying. I came up with a very credible, openly-stated threat to the USA.
I can think of two more very real ones, one of which is almost as important as a nuclear threat. And it's not like I haven't mentioned it before. I mean, hell, if you're bound and determined to be afraid, at least be frightened by something real!
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This really belongs here
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No Trump is advocating for the changes Putin prays for.- THUGR
Okay, so let me bitch-slap you with your utter absurdity.
It's a little unclear WHO created our current clusterfuck- mostly Hillary or mostly Obama - but the Obama administration has done what Kissinger warned against:
By militarily threatening both China and Russia at the same time (moving nuclear missiles to the Russian border and "pivot to Asia") Obama has forced Russia and China into each other's arms.
Up until then, for decades the USA had been making nice with China while it attempted to destroy Russia, and China has been content to profit while Russia crumbled, and that worked rather well for us, if our goal is world domination.
Initially, the Russian-Chinese rapprochement began with the somewhat frantic reaching out of Russia to China in response to sanctions, a flurry of gas deals, the development of a non-SWIFT payment system, mutual de-dollarization and other rapid but potentially meaningless activities.
It's pretty hard to penetrate Chinese circumspection. Still, one message came through loud and clear: I don't know if you remember, but I posted a signal Chinese change, broadcast on CCTV (English-language Chinese TV) about three years ago, when they promised to make
"allies of friends, friends of neutrals, and to attack our mutual enemies".
I've been waiting to see that statement realized in military and foreign policy, and I see Xi Jinping now trying to make that statement come true:
China just recently offered a true military alliance with Russia and will be sending trainers and troops to Syria (1). Until now, and despite many joint military exercises, China and Russia have been content to operate in roughly parallel modes (China in the South China Sea and Djibouti and Afghanistan and Pakistan, Russia in Crimea and parts of the Mideast and India) so this is intended to go far beyond the random confluence of mutual economic interests and shared territories of concern.
Either this is an extremely (and possibly suicidal) strategy of the USA planners - force China and Russia into a corner and try to destroy them both at the same time - or a serious blunder on the part of the WH. Given that Putin has already threatened the USA with nuclear destruction, I suspect it's just our blowhard-ism creating problems for us again.
*** Trump is actually trying to reverse course: By making nice with Russia and consistently attacking China, it looks as if he would once again attempt to create a wedge between the two.
I'm not sure if that's a real plan or just a reflexive attempt at survival, but it works out in favor of our long-term interests. ***
You see? I'm actually fairly adept at seeing REAL threats to our interests ... not the "hyperventilating" that you keep doing about your imaginary fears.
(1) I don't see China providing much "training" to Syrian troops, or much assistance to Russia. But the Chinese army is relatively undisciplined and not battle-hardened, and I suspect (possibly wrongly) that Syria represents a training opportunity for the Chinese military.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60726
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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I'm perfectly capable of having a sensible talk about Russia, and Russia's THREAT POTENTIAL TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
An interesting way to frame the discussion. Why are you so keen to have a 'sensible' talk about Russia that exclude Russia's actions in Syria and Ukraine, its increasingly draconian laws, corrupt oligarchy, tanking economy, and the growing list of Putin enemies (journalists, dissidents, defectors, rival politicians) getting bumped off?
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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521
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Quote:are you advocating a senseless discussion?
An interesting way to frame the discussion. Why are you so keen to have a 'sensible' talk about Russia
Quote:Why are you not breathlessly listing the war crimes and human rights betrayals of ... say... Saudi Arabia, which has done a terrible disservice to the entire Mideast, North Africa, and south Asia by exporting Wahhabism for the past 40 years?
that exclude Russia's actions in Syria and Ukraine, its increasingly draconian laws, corrupt oligarchy, tanking economy, and the growing list of Putin enemies (journalists, dissidents, defectors, rival politicians) getting bumped off?
I think you should at least first very clearly explain to me and to everyone what bothers you so much about what Russia does, because as far as I can tell, we could ignore Russia's misdeeds as easily as we ignore the Gulf States'. And if you feel that we CAN'T ignore what Russia does, then tell me why. I really want to know.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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I'm perfectly capable of having a sensible talk about Russia, and Russia's THREAT POTENTIAL TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
An interesting way to frame the discussion. Why are you so keen to have a 'sensible' talk about Russia that exclude Russia's actions in Syria and Ukraine, its increasingly draconian laws, corrupt oligarchy, tanking economy, and the growing list of Putin enemies (journalists, dissidents, defectors, rival politicians) getting bumped off?
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521
And she goes right back to slamming Hilary and not discussing the things Trump suggests that Putin loves.
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Quote:Where have I mentioned anything about Hillary? The voices in your head must be bothering you again!
I'm perfectly capable of having a sensible talk about Russia, and Russia's THREAT POTENTIAL TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.- SIGNY
An interesting way to frame the discussion. Why are you so keen to have a 'sensible' talk about Russia that exclude Russia's actions in Syria and Ukraine, its increasingly draconian laws, corrupt oligarchy, tanking economy, and the growing list of Putin enemies (journalists, dissidents, defectors, rival politicians) getting bumped off?- KPO
And she goes right back to slamming Hilary [sic]
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and not discussing the things Trump suggests that Putin loves-THUGR
But I DID discuss it. Quite extensively.
Here, let me quote it for you. Again.
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Okay, so let me bitch-slap you with your utter absurdity.
It's a little unclear WHO created our current clusterfuck- mostly Hillary or mostly Obama - but the Obama administration has done what Kissinger warned against:
By militarily threatening both China and Russia at the same time (moving nuclear missiles to the Russian border and "pivot to Asia") Obama has forced Russia and China into each other's arms.
Up until then, for decades the USA had been making nice with China while it attempted to destroy Russia, and China has been content to profit while Russia crumbled, and that worked rather well for us, if our goal is world domination.
Initially, the Russian-Chinese rapprochement began with the somewhat frantic reaching out of Russia to China in response to sanctions, a flurry of gas deals, the development of a non-SWIFT payment system, mutual de-dollarization and other rapid but potentially meaningless activities.
It's pretty hard to penetrate Chinese circumspection. Still, one message came through loud and clear: I don't know if you remember, but I posted a signal Chinese change, broadcast on CCTV (English-language Chinese TV) about three years ago, when they promised to make
"allies of friends, friends of neutrals, and to attack our mutual enemies".
I've been waiting to see that statement realized in military and foreign policy, and I see Xi Jinping now trying to make that statement come true:
China just recently offered a true military alliance with Russia and will be sending trainers and troops to Syria (1). Until now, and despite many joint military exercises, China and Russia have been content to operate in roughly parallel modes (China in the South China Sea and Djibouti and Afghanistan and Pakistan, Russia in Crimea and parts of the Mideast and India) so this is intended to go far beyond the random confluence of mutual economic interests and shared territories of concern.
Either this is an extremely (and possibly suicidal) strategy of the USA planners - force China and Russia into a corner and try to destroy them both at the same time - or a serious blunder on the part of the WH. Given that Putin has already threatened the USA with nuclear destruction, I suspect it's just our blowhard-ism creating problems for us again.
*** Trump is actually trying to reverse course: By making nice with Russia and consistently attacking China, it looks as if he would once again attempt to create a wedge between the two.
I'm not sure if that's a real plan or just a reflexive attempt at survival, but it works out in favor of our long-term interests. ***
You see? I'm actually fairly adept at seeing REAL threats to our interests ... not the "hyperventilating" that you keep doing about your imaginary fears.
(1) I don't see China providing much "training" to Syrian troops, or much assistance to Russia. But the Chinese army is relatively undisciplined and not battle-hardened, and I suspect (possibly wrongly) that Syria represents a training opportunity for the Chinese military.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little
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You cut and paste a comment of mine from another thread. lol, instead of addressing what I said about Trump and Putin you go back to bashing Hilary. Then everything that follows is what Putin would want. All our foreign policy experts are saying publicly Trump is a disaster.
Your are nothing but lies and deception SIG. Here are two threads out of many where your defense of, and deceptive posting absolving Russian of ALL wrong doing is clear to see. To create a thread calling for a sensible discussion about Russia as though we haven't tried to have this conversation for years with you is to too funny comrade troll.
Your incredible sense of denial, thinking anyone believes anything you post is fun to observe.
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278
Russia Invades Ukraine
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58499
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THUGR: You're delusional, so- whatever.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Quote:are you advocating a senseless discussion?
An interesting way to frame the discussion. Why are you so keen to have a 'sensible' talk about Russia= KPO
Quote:Why are you not breathlessly listing the war crimes and human rights betrayals of ... say... Saudi Arabia, which has done a terrible disservice to the entire Mideast, North Africa, and south Asia by exporting Wahhabism for the past 40 years?
that exclude Russia's actions in Syria and Ukraine, its increasingly draconian laws, corrupt oligarchy, tanking economy, and the growing list of Putin enemies (journalists, dissidents, defectors, rival politicians) getting bumped off?= KPO
I think you should at least first very clearly explain to me and to everyone what bothers you so much about what Russia does, because as far as I can tell, we could ignore Russia's misdeeds as easily as we ignore the Gulf States'. And if you feel that we CAN'T ignore what Russia does, then tell me why. I really want to know.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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