To those of us who just sold your country down the river...
POSTED BY: Clandestiny
UPDATED: Sunday, November 7, 2004 19:31
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Nevermind, I guess I read the news wrong. But still, even though there were more young voters this year we still only accounted for about 17% of all voters as we did in 2000. Oh well, I was hoping that more of us would vote.
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But you did get all get a free bag of Ramen, package of underwear, and listen to free Springsteen. wOOt!
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Originally posted by shlee79:
Nevermind, I guess I read the news wrong. But still, even though there were more young voters this year we still only accounted for about 17% of all voters as we did in 2000. Oh well, I was hoping that more of us would vote.
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Originally posted by Clandestiny:
Sorry. I'm all out of tolerance. Tolerance, reason, ...
So it would seem.
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Originally posted by Clandestiny:
Insult your intelligence? You bet. Yours and everyone else's who voted Bush in.
Me? Where exactly did you draw THAT conclusion from? Because you sound like a raving loon to me right now, I must be a republican?
Get off your high horse, read my words and tell me where I gave party affiliation. If anything, I think I dropped some pretty big clues about the OPPOSITE.
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Originally posted by Clandestiny:
Sorry if I offend you. But I'm looking at four more years of possibly irreparable damage to the country I call my home, and it's your fault; so I figure that one offense deserves another.
Hey, high horse! Illinois resident here... how did YOUR state deliver?
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Originally posted by Clandestiny:
No. I am NOT prepared to be reasonable about this.
Yes, that is plainly obvious by your errant choice of target. In a prior post, I mentioned how annoying it was to agree in principle with so many people that were simply incapable of expressing anything but bile. Your means of communicating leave much to be desired. You rant and try to piss ME off? No wonder you seem so ineffective at convincing others of your point. Luckily for you, people like me will keep trying to actually talk to others... No thanks necessary though, your apparent scorn is all I need for motivation to help you.
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Originally posted by arcbeatle:
Ill be 18 in Bushes 3rd term....B]
Uhm, please tell me that you're joking and you know that's constitutionally impossible. please please please.
I imagine he's being sardonic. But -- don't bet long odds against the XXII amendment being repealed during the next four years. If the Machine can pull that off, I see it as only a matter of time before "emergency legislation" gets passed "for our own good," and Bush becomes fundamentally unasailable in office.
A four-year hiatus in the gathering junta's momentum would have been nice, but in the long run, both major parties are dedicated to reducing our freedom. Just never thought we'd sell it so quickly. Or so cheaply.
Oh, for a Firefly-class transport, and a clear night sky...
"You can't enslave a free man. The most you can do is kill him." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Clandestiny, I'm with you.
And I too am very, very worried.
Well, it's going to be a long four years.
I'd better get some sleep while I can.
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Originally posted by firefloozysuzie:
Clandestiny, I'm with you.
What is there to be with?
That he even wants to fight with someone that dislikes Bush as much as he? How reasonable is that?
My entire point was that too many dems burn time and energy doing nothing but attacking the other side rather than attempting to understand why they think differently. And what happens when I say that relatively easy to understand truth? *I* get attacked and have it explained to me who *I* must have voted for and how the problems of the country are now MY fault!
In what world is that NOT insane?
Is it really such a stretch to see why people on the right might start wondering about the stability of those on the left?
Look at one issue... Say gay marriage.
Whether its logical or not, someone on the far right might tend to say, "I think gay marriage is wrong."
They have stated their opinion of that thing. The most common sort of response I see from the left is NOT any sort of explanation of why it doesn't harm them personally and all that jazz, it is FAR more often simply to deride their intelligence or their religious beliefs or accuse them of inbreeding, etc...
Now that person MIGHT have been reasoned with early on... Maybe successfully, maybe not... But I can GUARANTEE you that they will not listen to ONE FRIGGIN WORD you have to say after you piss in their face. And the next person that comes along, ohhh say... ME... has an ENORMOUSLY uphill battle to convince them f the logic of the situation.
But, by all means, its a free country, swim in your bile and enjoy. At some point I'll just surrender and then you can call me a nazi too...
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Look at how coming off as a raving looney did in Dean's campaign!
I love Howard Dean you call him names raving looney, what I saw was a very passionate man...I would have prefered him to Kerry
showing emotion gets you labeled a looney by the radical right..
thats sick
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I love Howard Dean you call him names raving looney, what I saw was a very passionate man...I would have prefered him to Kerry
showing emotion gets you labeled a looney by the radical right..
thats sick
I am just describing what he came off as. And it was the dems that toppled him from his perch through the rest of the primaries, so don't go looking to the "radical right" to blame. You simply cannot behave that way and not expect to turn a percentage of people off.
I guess I am just not making my point very well when everyone that replies still feels the need to lash out at the right. I do not find it "radical" to think that Howard Dean appeared unstable at times. By the time the primaries reached here in Illinois, he was already pretty much dead, but we did make sure to put him to rest. He would have been a landslide loser after his behavior.
Until people like you get out of the mindset of immediately calling "the other side" names, you'll forever be someone that can only preach to the choir.
I think how people reply to me here will speak volumes about their capabilities. I feel pretty confident that I have been calm, reasonable and truthful. If someone finds themselves incapable of replying in kind, it seems to me that it should be a pretty good indicator of where the problem lies...
Cheers,
Gruesome
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...people on the left, as further evidenced here, tend to insult the intelligence of those on the right instead of just accepting that they disagree with our views.
I can definitely see how you get that impression.
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...when people on the right disagree with those on the left, they usually put it in terms of disagreeing with the left's position.
In my experience, those on the right tend to insult those on the left as; lacking morals, treasonous, unpatriotic, communists, socialists, and America Haters.
So you see, you've both got wonderful ad hominem attacks available. No need to actually examine issues or understand history, or even the language used, at all. Wonderful epithets, our brains would ache with thought if not for them.
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well here's another fine mess we've gotten ourselves into. Did everybody take a stupid pill yesterday? I blame reality telivision. Stupid programing for stupid people. I don't have reception at my house. I got little info off my computer on line. Was nobody paying attention these last four years? My boss said that he heard a comentary that the guess was that most people were affraid to change leaders when loved ones were in a war. WAKE UP PEOPLE the leader you jusat re-elected was the moron that sent them there! Do you honestly think he has a plan to get them out? He's an oil man. Iraq has (had?) the worlds largest ooil reserve. Why do you think he had such a hardon for going in. Over 90% of the worlds oil is in the hands of people that really don't like us. I am serious ly dissppinted in my fellow Americans. After 9/11 we had a chance to unite the world as never before. What happend Bush showed off his leadership skills and united the world against us. Lets not forget little ole Cheney. What a piece of crap. This standup American sends all his money offshore to avoid taxes. Sets up Iraq and offers billion dollar contracts to his own company. This ass should be shot for treason. We get all these glorious tax breaks. Only if we already got lots of money. Lets not forget all the breaks to corporations to send jobs overseas. Do you honestly think re-electing the village idiot will make things right? One of the setups Bush used early on is about changing a horse in mid stream. IF THE FREAKING HORSE GOES ON A BLOODY RAMPAGE RUNNING HEADFIRST INTO THE RAGING RIVER AFTER BEING TOLD SEVERAL TIMES NOT TO. THEN IT BUCKS LIKE HELL TRYING TO THROW YOU OFF. Then yes you do. You get the hell off and you put a bullet in the rabid animals head and you put it out of everyones misery. You do not settle in calmly let it throw you and then let it lead, hoping it will take you out of the river, It's more likely to run you into the rapids. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Kerry would not be the cure for everything. What needs fixing is going to take a lot of time and effort from everyone. I also know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he would have gotten us closer to the right direction than Bush ever could. For most of you out there that voted for Bush and are eligible for the draft. You will get what you deserve. He said he would create 100,000 new jobs. Three million went away. He said he was a man of peace. We are in the wrong war. He said there would be no draft. America was and could be so much. Now it is just a ship of fools. led by the biggest fool of all.
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