To those of us who just sold your country down the river...
POSTED BY: Clandestiny
UPDATED: Sunday, November 7, 2004 19:31
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Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. - H L Mencken
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...they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their
clothing - and if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.
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Originally posted by gruesome:
I find it typical and annoying that when people on the right disagree with those on the left, they usually put it in terms of disagreeing with the left's position.
Whereas people on the left, as further evidenced here, tend to insult the intelligence of those on the right instead of just accepting that they disagree with our views.
How on earth will anyone be convinced of anything like that?
"Gee, you are an idiot! Now vote like me you slack-jawed yokel!"
I am tired of having to distance myself from so many people with which I share so many views because they are incapable of granting that the people on the other side might actually understand the issue and THINK DIFFERENTLY.
Which side is the tolerant one? I forget.
Sorry. I'm all out of tolerance. Tolerance, reason, and trying to coax a consensus is the standard Democratic tool, and what did it get us? Four more years of the worst Presidential administration in more than four decades.
Insult your intelligence? You bet. Yours and everyone else's who voted Bush in. Sorry if I offend you. But I'm looking at four more years of possibly irreparable damage to the country I call my home, and it's your fault; so I figure that one offense deserves another.
No. I am NOT prepared to be reasonable about this. So you can continue the debate or not, if you like -- I'm game -- but don't be surprised if I tear out a few throats.
I.
Am.
PISSED.
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Actually no, you don't have to!
We all are free to make choices like that. Depending on which end of the US you live in, there are plenty of like minded folks just stone's throw away.
So, then the ~50% of americans that don't believe in GW also don't have to pay any attention to any rediculous laws that he has made/will make (ie The "Patriot" Act, etc)? They will be able to rebuild international relations? They will be able to make the US's forgein policies less hostile? They'll be able to reinstitute enviornmental laws to protect the US and this planet? Homosexuals will be able to be married (or civil union) regardless of any constiutional changes that he makes?
Last I checked, these things and more are what *all* americans will exactly *not* be able to do in the next years whether they voted for Kerry *or* Bush.
Basically, there are consequences for every decision and about half of americans don't want the ones that *are* coming along with this one. But they *will* have to deal with them anyway. ie Just because you have someone to bitch about things with, doesn't change reality, period.
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Originally posted by gruesome:
I find it typical and annoying that when people on the right disagree with those on the left, they usually put it in terms of disagreeing with the left's position.
Whereas people on the left, as further evidenced here, tend to insult the intelligence of those on the right instead of just accepting that they disagree with our views.
Which side is the tolerant one? I forget.
Amen, brother. I don't think that Democrats are stupid, immoral, unenlightened people simply because they voted for Kerry. Quite the contrary--I'm glad that they voted for the candidate that they felt best represented their views. But don't "damn me" just because I don't agree with you. And don't insult me simply because I've decided that Kerry didn't represent what I was looking for in a President.
Now I realize that I leave myself open to questions like, "What were you looking for? A fascist dictator?" But honestly, that's just immature. Let's leave this red/blue bashing off our boards. We've got way more class than this, folks.
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Originally posted by arcbeatle:
Ill be 18 in Bushes 3rd term....B]
Uhm, please tell me that you're joking and you know that's constitutionally impossible. please please please.
"Could be he's harboring some resentment at us for putting his man through our engine."
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U.S. policy has gone beyond the political pendulum theory (a swing to the right followed by a swing to the left).
I prefer an anology that has the U.S. going in circles. Very small circles like a pacing lunatic. We have two parties when we should be enjoying the influence of numerous parties via a proportional representation system (for congressional bodies) and instant run-off voting -aka- majority preferential voting (for selecting executives). These are new democratic tools that empower the citizens. Other nations use them as we speak with fantastic drool-inducing results. [Another great democratic tool the U.S. does not have: binding national referendums.]
If we MUST keep this decrepit winner-take-all electoral college system, we need to redistribute the electoral votes. The south has far too much influence over our national political scene. It is stagnating the nation. When the two parties spend all of their time trying to dominate each other and/or dismantle each other's programs (after a changing of the guard, for example), all this country ends up getting is stuck and frustrated. New innovative ideas cannot be explored in this environment.
Perhaps it is time to break the U.S. up into smaller nations. The south can form their nation and do their thing and the north plus the coasts can be another nation and do something different. Maybe breaking the nation down into three or four nations is even better. Technically, we are supposed to be 50 small nations right now... but we all know this is NOT how the power has been distributed.
I'm all for it! Let's downsize the U.S. into three or four medium sized nations. The new nations could, of course, form political and economic alliances (if they don't stupidly declare war on each other).
Like a dozen or so european nations have done over the past decade or two, I believe it is time for north american citizens to explore regional autonomy over hulking nationalism.
mattro
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I present you with a picture of two Americas. The Northeast, North Midwest, and the Left Coast, and Florida(New New York) being one Country.
The South, Midwest, and Everywhere Else, being another.
You will note that our nations largest cities and most of our money finds itself in the New York, California, Chicago, Florida spaces. And These are your Loudest Democrats.
Then you take your lower income South and Mid-west. And these are Republicans.
I think all Kerry supportes should look closely at the results. Even if you give Ohio to Kerry, he doesn't have enough to win. Bush has the majority this time around, even of the popular vote. You know why this happened? Kerry lost the Conservative Southern Democrats. Too much polarization of the parties is happening. Want to make this place better on both parties? Vote for moderate candidates. I'm a die-hard Republican. I would have voted for Clarke if he'd have gotten the nomination. Also, look at how many people voted! My God! It was beautiful! We've seen one of the highest voter turnouts ever! And remember, it's only a four year term. The next president is likely to be a Democrat. But all of you registered Democrats, make a point to spread the word. Nominate and vote for moderates. You'll steal votes from other parties, and win your own conservatives. Republicans! You'll make compromise and peace between parties easier if you support moderate candidates!
We voted! My God did we vote! It was a beautiful thing.
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Originally posted by Hjermsted:
U.S. policy has gone beyond the political pendulum theory (a swing to the right followed by a swing to the left).
I prefer an anolo...
...I believe it is time for north american citizens to explore regional autonomy over hulking nationalism.
mattro
You rock Hjermsted. My sentiment approximately.
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Wow. You all are disturbed. I truly understand your frustrations and anger, but it comes down to one thing - It is done. No going back. The popular vote was determined, it happend to be Bush, and even poor old Ben Affleck and all those musicians couldn't sway enough people in the end. What they [did] do was inspire the younger generation to get out there and voice their opinions.
I think I have to agree with TheGreyJedi - look how many people voted. That is amazing!!! I happen to live in Ohio. I stood in line at a tiny neighborhood fire station for about a half an hour to use a portable, old fashioned voting booth (a card with chads and all!), but I know people that waited 2 to 4 hours and more just to get in. The lines around the Columbus area were insane! No other election comes to mind where voter turn out has been this incredible.
And if you really think disbanding our great nation into many seperate ones is going to solve all of our problems, well, as they say - It's a free country, you are entitled to your own opinion. But it was our country, united, that gave that right to you.
" We're just too pretty for God to let us die."
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which will only lead to the inevitable prediction that the 2008 election will have abysmal turnout since everyone will now think that nothing they do will affect much change. All that wait for the same status quo.
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Originally posted by Anfa:
Wow. You all are disturbed. I truly understand your frustrations and anger, but it comes down to one thing - It is done. No going back. The popular vote was determined, it happend to be Bush, and even poor old Ben Affleck and all those musicians couldn't sway enough people in the end. What they [did] do was inspire the younger generation to get out there and voice their opinions.
I think I have to agree with TheGreyJedi - look how many people voted. That is amazing!!! I happen to live in Ohio. I stood in line at a tiny neighborhood fire station for about a half an hour to use a portable, old fashioned voting booth (a card with chads and all!), but I know people that waited 2 to 4 hours and more just to get in. The lines around the Columbus area were insane! No other election comes to mind where voter turn out has been this incredible.
And if you really think disbanding our great nation into many seperate ones is going to solve all of our problems, well, as they say - It's a free country, you are entitled to your own opinion. But it was our country, united, that gave that right to you.
" We're just too pretty for God to let us die."
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