TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!
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It was so easy to come to that conclusion by googling ‘will increasing tariffs increase manufacturing jobs?’
The first dip was NAFTA (Clinton), the second (much larger) dip was China's accession into the WTO (Bush).
It's obvious - or it should be- where our manufacturing jobs went, and what caused that to happen. It you want to reverse the trend, you have to at least reverse the trade agreements that caused it to happen. If you can't do THAT (China in WTO), at least don't make it worse by signing on to more of the same.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Oh shit! I can't believe she did that! She totally forgot where she was for a split and gave the Nazi salute, caught herself and then tried to play it off by stretching her arm out with a finger point as cover.
The Nazi Party is alive and well in this country. FuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!
I always thought that it was an urban legend until now. The Pod people have
infiltrated the U.S. government, and now it wants to take over.
Watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing.
SGG
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/07/who-better-laura-ingraham-fly-nazi-s
alute
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Quote:As usual Signym, your graph is shit. You can get a real graph with the real explanation:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
It was so easy to come to that conclusion by googling ‘will increasing tariffs increase manufacturing jobs?’
The first dip was NAFTA (Clinton), the second (much larger) dip was China's accession into the WTO (Bush).
It's obvious - or it should be- where our manufacturing jobs went, and what caused that to happen. It you want to reverse the trend, you have to at least reverse the trade agreements that caused it to happen. If you can't do THAT (China in WTO), at least don't make it worse by signing on to more of the same.
http://myf.red/g/64E0
US. Bureau of the Census, Value of Manufacturers' New Orders for All Manufacturing Industries.
US. Bureau of Labor Statistics, All Employees: Manufacturing, July 26, 2016.
Do you see the trend where employment in American manufacturing goes down and American production goes up? That’s why factory jobs are lost.
Trump (and Bernie) think they can screw the rest of the world’s manufacturers and create millions of American factory jobs for free, except for tariffs which Trump (and Bernie) think they can one-sided-ly impose on the world without the world imposing tariffs back on America. If Trump knows how to do this magic trick, he has to show how, not next year when his is President, that he can make the arithmetic work in favor of the USA and manufacturing employment. But that lazy, fat bastard has NOT done the work.
Trump is selling you a myth about American manufacturing and employment. There is two sure ways to double factory employment – hire people and only work them 20 hours a week for 40 hours pay. Or make factory workers half as productive and continuing to get less productive, year after year. But that will cost money and Trump is only selling a solution that costs nothing.
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Donald Trump considers America at odds with virtually the entire world, but not Russia. His Top Ten List of positions toward Russia is basically Vladimir Putin's dream foreign policy. Donald Trump is offering Putin everything he could possibly want. And what does Trump want in return? From Russia—and only from Russia—Trump wants nothing.
1.) Trump wants to reduce America's commitment to NATO and reorient its activities to the Middle East. This is perhaps Vladmir Putin's greatest foreign policy desire.
2.) Says America has no moral standing to complain about human and civil rights violations.
3.) Welcomed Russia's incursion into Syria.
4.) Considers Putin a great leader.
5.) Would consider eliminating sanctions against Russia and recognizing their annexation of Crimea.
6.) Wants to weaken American ties to its allies by insisting that he will walk away from them unless they pay us more for our military protection.
7.) Never mentions Russia in his otherwise endless litany of countries that are taking advantage of the USA.
8.) Opposes sending arms to Ukraine.
9.) Is pro-Brexit.
10.) Isn't sure he would defend the Baltics if Russia attacked them.
Trump’s list is not a coincidence. There's something behind the scenes guiding him. But what?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/07/donald-trumps-top-ten-giveaways
-vladimir-putin
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Quote:Throughout his news conference on Wednesday, Trump returned again and again to the idea that America’s strained relations with Russia are based solely on the Russian president’s supposed lack of respect for America’s leaders — and not, say, differences over Russia’s support for separatist rebels in Ukraine or its intervention against U.S.-backed rebels in Syria. Trump even claimed at one stage that he had heard Putin use a racial slur to describe President Barack Obama.
Originally posted by G:
Someone I used to work with years and years ago and haven't talked with in ages... tweeted this morning: "Raise your hand if you want Putin in the White House."
“Right now, we don’t have a good relationship,” Trump said of the U.S. and Russia. “Putin has said things over the last year that are really bad things, okay? He mentioned the N-word one time. I was shocked to hear him mention the N-word. You know what the N-word is, right? He mentioned it. I was shocked.”
Although there is no chance that this ever happened — since there are no published reports of such an explosive public statement and Trump stressed again that he has never met Putin — the Republican presidential nominee was in no doubt as to who was to blame for such an (entirely imaginary) affront: Obama himself.
“He has a total lack of respect for President Obama,” Trump said of Putin. “Number one, he doesn’t like him. And number two, he doesn’t respect him. I think he’s going to respect your president if I’m elected. And I hope he likes me.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/27/donald-trump-thinks-he-heard-vladi
mir-putin-call-barack-obama-the-n-word-he-didnt/
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Graphs not your 'thing', second?
US. Bureau of Labor Statistics, All Employees: Manufacturing, July 26, 2016.
As value produced goes up in the 9 year period between 1992 and 2001, jobs hold steady. Jobs and value both dip in the 2001 recession, jobs continue to decline in 2003 as value holds steady, jobs level off between 2004 and 2008 as value zooms upward, then jobs and value decline in 2009, and value recovers afterward while jobs hold steady.
Jobs and value both decline during recessions, but value recovers while jobs don't.
That's a decision made by employers to increase profits by squeezing workers.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Quote:Yes, but then you have to understand the data that they present, which is too much of a challenge for you!
It was so easy to come to that conclusion by googling ‘will increasing tariffs increase manufacturing jobs?’ - SECOND
Quote:Aaaaaaand.... you misinterpreted your own graph.
The first dip was NAFTA (Clinton), the second (much larger) dip was China's accession into the WTO (Bush).
It's obvious - or it should be- where our manufacturing jobs went, and what caused that to happen. It you want to reverse the trend, you have to at least reverse the trade agreements that caused it to happen. If you can't do THAT (China in WTO), at least don't make it worse by signing on to more of the same.- SIGNY
As usual Signym, your graph is shit. You can get a real graph with the real explanation:
http://myf.red/g/64E0
US. Bureau of the Census, Value of Manufacturers' New Orders for All Manufacturing Industries.
US. Bureau of Labor Statistics, All Employees: Manufacturing, July 26, 2016.
Do you see the trend where employment in American manufacturing goes down and American production goes up? That’s why factory jobs are lost.
But yanno, you seem to think that the only answer is to exploit our workers, just as much as China does. Spoken like a true consumer.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Quote:Per usual, Signym and 1kiki are full of it.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Aaaaaaand.... you misinterpreted your own graph.
But yanno, you seem to think that the only answer is to exploit our workers, just as much as China does. Spoken like a true consumer.
Damn, I always forget to make it explicit: Please tell us one more time, Signym and 1kiki, that Trump, the great disruptor, will bring back millions of American manufacturing jobs. All he will need do is change a few tariff laws and it will be a nearly cost-free way to create jobs, despite manufacturing needing fewer people every year because factories are more efficient every year and are producing more output than ever before and yet needing fewer and fewer employees on the assembly line.
Signym and 1kiki really need to get over the daydream that factory owners love and want to care for their employees in the USA. The employees wish it was true because their lives and their families depend on the job, while factory-owners depend on employees believing it is true so they can keep the factory running, but it has never been that way.
You need an example: Exxon-Mobile is building a multibillion dollar ethylene plant in Baytown and adding 350 people to its factory on Houston Ship Channel. It wasn't done to create 350 factory jobs to support local families, but to take advantage of cheap natural gas. There was never a factory built to create jobs. Jobs are just a side-effect like smoke from stacks and factory waste hauled to the dump. I've NEVER met a factory worker who did not hope they were important to the functioning of the factory, since their entire income depends on the factory, nor have I met one that actually was of more than minor importance to the factory owner. The owners always have a plan for replacing employees that believe they, not the owner, are irreplaceable. It's just that the owners don't tell the employees about the plans, just like the owners didn't tell the employees how the factory was financed.
www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2012/06/exxon-mobil-plans-mul
ti-billion-dollar.html
Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-
all
“The Art of the Deal” made America see Trump as a charmer with an unfailing knack for business. Tony Schwartz helped create that myth—and regrets it.
It wasn’t because of Trump’s ideology—Schwartz doubted that he had one. The problem was Trump’s personality, which he considered pathologically impulsive and self-centered.
Schwartz thought about publishing an article describing his reservations about Trump, but he hesitated, knowing that, since he’d cashed in on the flattering “Art of the Deal,” his credibility and his motives would be seen as suspect. Yet watching the campaign was excruciating. Schwartz decided that if he kept mum and Trump was elected he’d never forgive himself. In June, he agreed to break his silence and give his first candid interview about the Trump he got to know while acting as his Boswell.
“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”
If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”
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Grim economic forecast about life under Trump
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/28/tim-kaine-is-right-a-fo
rmer-gop-adviser-calculated-trump-would-destroy-3-5-million-jobs/
Mark Zandi, now the chief economist at the private research firm Moody's Analytics, has forecast that the Republican presidential nominee's policies would put almost 3.5 million Americans out of work after four years.
Zandi first shared a preliminary version of his analysis with The Washington Post in March, and he and his colleagues released a more comprehensive report last month.
www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/2016-06-17-Trumps-Economic-Polici
es.pdf
Besides the millions who would be out of work, the report states that the economy would be miss out on an additional 6 million positions that employers would have created in the absence of Trump's policies.
A major reason the forecast is so pessimistic is because of Donald Trump's policies on trade. He has proposed a 45 percent tariff on Chinese imports and a 35 percent tariff on some imports from Mexico.
While Trump hopes that these tariffs would encourage manufacturers to produce domestically, forcing them to hire American workers, Zandi and his colleagues note that China and Mexico would probably retaliate with tariffs of their own, punishing U.S. exporters and their employees. The report projects that U.S. exports would decline by $85 billion.
Some economists have challenged the Zandi's assumptions, including J.W. Mason of the the liberal Roosevelt Institute. Mason argues that manufacturers in China and Mexico, not U.S. consumers, would pay most of Trump's tariffs -- in other words, prices for consumers would not increase as much. He also argues that domestic producers would be able to make up for more of the foregone imports, reducing unemployment.
Zandi's report additionally faulted Trump's proposal to deport all immigrants living in the country illegally, which would reduce the size of the labor force, making it more expensive to produce goods here and further increasing prices for consumers.
Also, the report noted that although Trump's generous tax reductions would encourage Americans to work more and spend more, the massive deficits required to keep the government running without those taxes would have the opposite effect.
When the economy is doing well, savers have a choice between making money in the private sector or loaning money to the government by buying bonds from the Treasury. The more the government borrows, generally speaking, the less money is available for ordinary people to buy houses or start or expand businesses.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:How about just not pushing for and signing the TTP and TTIP??? I mean, can't Hillary commit to just that?
Damn, I always forget to make it explicit: Please tell us one more time, Signym and 1kiki, that Trump, the great disruptor, will bring back millions of American manufacturing jobs. All he will need do is change a few tariff laws and it will be a nearly cost-free way to create jobs, despite manufacturing needing fewer people every year because factories are more efficient every year and are producing more output than ever before and yet needing fewer and fewer employees on the assembly line.
Quote:OF COURSE it's never been that way, you dimwit. Haven't you read my 3,881 posts on the topic, saying exactly the same thing? That's why capitalists need laws ... with teeth ... making them do what they don't want to do: give up some of those profits to their employees. YOUR way just makes it easier for capitalists to profit ever more handsomely.
Signym and 1kiki really need to get over the daydream that factory owners love and want to care for their employees in the USA. The employees wish it was true because their lives and their families depend on the job, while factory-owners depend on employees believing it is true so they can keep the factory running, but it has never been that way.
Quote:I have yet to see a mainstream economist forecast anything correctly. Ever.
Mark Zandi, now the chief economist at the private research firm Moody's Analytics, has forecast that the Republican presidential nominee's policies would put almost 3.5 million Americans out of work after four years.
There are some shocking graphs which compare forecast to actual, which they constantly "revise" to meet actual and they STILL can't get it right! Unfortunately they're in books and not available online, so these will have to do
I particularly enjoy that last chart, where every forecast optimistically (and wrongly) predicts stronger growth in the future (from the point of the forecast) than actually occurs. Sometimes the projections are even in the wrong direction! (increasing versus decreasing growth)
Economists' projections are political wishfulness, not real science. There is no such thing, at the moment, as the science of economics, which right now is a field full of hypotheses/assumptions in desperate search of supporting data.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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