Hillary Clinton: just because she deserves her own thread

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So, how many nations has Trump destroyed?
How many people has Trump had killed?
How many jihadists has Trump funded, trained, and armed?
None, I'd wager.

But, you might say, Trump has never had the power to do those things. He's never been in a position to make those decisions!

And you would be right. We don't know what Trump "might have done" if he'd been in a position to do so. OTOH, Hillary WAS in a position to make those decisions, and we KNOW what she did.

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I live near LA, CA. Like TX, CA has a huge problem with illegal immigrants, and frankly Obama's (and Hillary's) globalist perspective of causing chaos with mass migrations bugs the shit out of me.

The income distribution here is a very unbalanced dumbell-shape: a huge number of people at the bottom (illegals), pinched in the middle, and a not-as-large bump at the top (Hollywood and tech). It's very difficult to find a trained trades-person, because it is so much easier to go to the Home Depot parking lot and hire someone to slap on some stucco or pull some wires - people who have no knowledge of how to do that right, and no training ... because they don't speak English. And, having done literally hundreds of hiring interviews for my employer over the years, I can see the downward pressure that this pool of illegal immigrants put on wages. We can afford to hire PhDs for technician jobs, because the technician jobs are already taken by day-laborers.


NPR, the ever-faithful-promoter of DNC propaganda, did one of it's usual illegal-sympathetic Fourth of July interviews:

"The Fourth of July means many things to many people" the interviewer intones. "Here we are at ______ Park in South Gate, which is 90% Hispanic [and 70% illegal-SIGNY] talking with __________."
"I've been coming to this park since 1973" the interviewee says, in Spanish ....

And my mind did one of those needle-sliding over vinyl-record sideway skips, and I did a quick mental calculation and thought...

Wait. What? You've been coming here for over FORTY YEARS and you STILL haven't learned English??? What the hell??? Go back to fucking Mexico or wherever it is that you came from, and don't come back until you decide you want to be part of this culture."

Oh, and before you say that I don't like immigrants, let me repeat that I married one, that my dad was one, and that my grandparents on my mother's side were immigrants too.

Cultural chaos and lack of unity, lost jobs and poverty-level income distribution, rampant overpopulation of this very water-limited southwestern lifeboat ... all go into my spreadsheet. They are the result of the globalist mantra that top Democrats (like Hillary) and their backers (like George Soros) bring to the table. And since they caused the migration problem to being with, with their inveterate economic, military, and political meddling in other nations, it's not like they didn't know where it came from or how to stop it.

Democrats and liberals have just as many idiotic beliefs as Republicans, which are just as obdurate and just as counter-factual and just as destructive. I can go through those if you like, but not in this thread; that's a different conversation.

Oh, and BTW- Trump is hated by much of the Republican Party. They did everything they could to stop him, and continue to plot against his nomination. If you can judge a person by their enemies, Trump is hated by all of the people that I despise.


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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There are three key findings to emerge from yesterday's dump of leaked DNC emails released by Wikileaks:

There had been a plot designed to smear Bernie Sanders and to hand the Democratic nomination to Hillary on a silver platter

There has been repeated collusion between the DNC and the media

There has been questionable fundraising for both Hillary Clinton and the DNC

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-23/leaked-dnc-emails-confirm-dem
ocrats-rigged-primary-reveal-extensive-media-collusion

And even more ridiculously

Democrats Accuse Russia Of Hacking DNC Server To Help Donald Trump
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-24/democrats-accuse-russia-hacki
ng-dnc-server-help-donald-trump

If Hillary's campaign is stooping to such ridiculous allegations, their private polling must be worse than they admit.


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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The places in the platform I've labelled as 'pointless rhetoric' are either pointless rhetoric, or places where the DNC and Hillary can pretend to be liberal, but on which they will spend zero time and zero political capital, and which will never, ever have a chance of being made real.

The rest are what the DNC and Hillary are really interested in.


https://demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2016-DEMOCRATIC-P
ARTY-PLATFORM-
2016 DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM DRAFT

Preamble
pointless rhetoric In 2016, Democrats meet in Philadelphia with the same basic belief that animated the Continental Congress when they gathered here 240 years ago: Out of many, we are one.
Under President Obama’s leadership, and thanks to the hard work and determination of the American people, we have come a long way from the Great Recession and the Republican policies that triggered it. We have seen 75 straight months of private - sector job growth and added 14.5 million new jobs. Twenty million people have gained health insurance coverage. The American auto industry just had its best year ever. We are getting more of our energy from the sun and wind, and importing less oil from overseas.
But too many Americans have been left out and left behind. They are working longer hours with less security.
Wages have barely budged and the racial wealth gap remains wide, while the cost of everything from childcare to a college education has continued to rise.
And as working people struggle, the top one percent accrues more wealth and more power. Republicans in Congress have chosen gridlock and dysfunction over trying to find solutions to the real challenges we face.
It’s no wonder that so many feel like the system is rigged against them.
Democrats believe that cooperation is better than conflict, unity is better than division, empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls.
It’s a simple but powerful idea: we are stronger together.
Democrats believe we are stronger when we have an economy that works for everyone — an economy that grows incomes for working people, creates good - paying jobs, and puts a middle - class life within reach for more Americans. We need an economy that prioritizes long - term investment over short - term profit - seeking, rewards the common interest over self - interest, and promotes innovation and entrepreneurship.
We believe that today’s extreme level of income and wealth inequality — where the majority of the economic gains go to the top one percent and the richest 20 people in our country own more wealth than the bottom 150 million — makes our economy weaker, our communities poorer, and our politics poisonous.
And we know that our nation’s long struggle with race is far from over. More than half a century after Rosa Parks sat and Dr. King marched and John Lewis bled, more than half a century after César Chávez and Dolores Huerta organized, race still plays a significant role in determining who gets ahead in America and who gets left behind. We must face that reality and we must fix it.
We believe a good education is a basic right of all Americans, no matter what zip code they live in. We will end the school - to prison pipeline and build a cradle - to - college pipeline instead, where every child can live up to his or her God - given potential.
We believe in helping Americans balance work and family without fear of punishment or penalty. We believe in at last guaranteeing equal pay for women. And as the party that created Social Security, we believe in protecting every American’s right to retire with dignity.
And we firmly believe that the greed, recklessness, and illegal behavior on Wall Street must be brought to an end. Wall Street must never again be allowed to threaten families and businesses on Main Street.
Democrats believe we are stronger when we protect citizens’ right to vote, not corporations’ and billiona

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SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, July 25, 2016 2:03 PM

It’s no wonder that so many feel like the system is rigged against them

We agree on something. It is rigged against the poor schlubs who get up every morning to go to work, sometimes 2 and 3 jobs, just to feed, clothe and shelter their families. The economy has recovered and thrived in many areas, but the average Joe is seeing none of this. Companies are making money hand over fist, and things are costing more, yet I haven't received a raise in over 2 years.

The firm I work for is doing fine. Record profits, but the workers get very little, if anything. It is the system. Does one man affect all of this?
Does one woman? Hardly. Bernie's right, this country needs a revolution.


SGG

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

2016 DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM DRAFT
Preamble
In 2016, Democrats meet in Philadelphia with the same basic belief that animated the
Continental Congress when they gathered here 240 years ago: Out of many, we are one.
Under President Obama’s leadership, and thanks to the hard work and determination of the American people, we have come a long way from the Great Recession and the Republican policies that triggered it. We have seen 75 straight months of private - sector job growth and added 14.5 million new jobs. Twenty million people have gained health insurance coverage. The American auto industry just had its best year ever. We are getting more of our energy from the sun and wind, and importing less oil from overseas.
But too many Americans have been left out and left behind. They are working longer hours with less security.
Wages have barely budged and the racial wealth gap remains wide, while the cost of everything from childcare to a college education has continued to rise.
And as working people struggle, the top one percent accrues more wealth and more power. Republicans in Congress have chosen gridlock and dysfunction over trying to find solutions to the real challenges we face.
It’s no wonder that so many feel like the system is rigged against them.

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Let me just point out that the author - in this case the DNC - left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion - or in this case, in your party platform - when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And even more ridiculously

Democrats Accuse Russia Of Hacking DNC Server To Help Donald Trump
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-24/democrats-accuse-russia-hacki
ng-dnc-server-help-donald-trump

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Russian fingerprints found by experts on DNC hacking - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-emai
ls.html?_r=0

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Proving the source of a cyberattack is notoriously difficult. But researchers have concluded that the national committee was breached by two Russian intelligence agencies, which were the same attackers behind previous Russian cyberoperations at the White House, the State Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff last year. And metadata from the released emails suggests that the documents passed through Russian computers.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Companies are making money hand over fist, and things are costing more, yet I haven't received a raise in over 2 years.

The firm I work for is doing fine. Record profits, but the workers get very little, if anything. It is the system. Does one man affect all of this?
Does one woman? Hardly. Bernie's right, this country needs a revolution.


SGG

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You got the record profit right, but you should look at data going back for decades and all corporations, not just your corporation.

"When a corporation invests money, they only need to make more than the cost of the real interest rate, which is the nominal rate minus core inflation. Here is a graph of the difference between the corporate profit rate and the real rate."
http://angrybearblog.com/2016/07/inf-corp-prof.html
The graph is for ALL corporations, so some must be doing better than the average. The trend is obvious.


But how will the Bernie Revolution share those corporate profits? Anything above zero percent on that graph is excess profit. Who will Bernie give the excess to? There will be a great amount of screaming and many angry voters if people who do NOT own stocks get the excess profits.

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Originally posted by G:

But leave aside the purported content of the Wikileaks data dump (to which numerous other outlets have devoted considerable attention) and consider the source. Considerable evidence shows that the Wikileaks dump was an orchestrated act by the Russian government, working through proxies, to undermine Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign."

Of course this makes sense.

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Putin helping Trump? There is a real connection between the two -- Paul Manafort. We do know that Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager, has worked as a consultant for various dictators and was for years on the payroll of Viktor Yanukovych, the former Ukrainian president and a Putin ally.

And there are reasons to wonder about Trump’s own financial interests. Remember, we know nothing about the true state of his business empire, and he has refused to release his taxes, which might tell us more. We do know that he has substantial if murky involvement with wealthy Russians and Russian businesses. You might say that these are private actors, not the government — but in Putin’s crony-capitalist paradise, this is a meaningless distinction.
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/paul_manafor
t_isn_t_a_gop_retread_he_s_made_a_career_of_reinventing_tyrants.html

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How kool will it be for the Clintons to move back to the Wite House? Think about it!

It woud be kool enuf for me to move back to a former rezidens, so imajin if its the most specialest house on the planet!

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With DNC Leaks, Former ‘Conspiracy Theory’ Is Now True––and No Big Deal
By Adam Johnson

For months, Bernie Sanders supporters and surrogates have complained about unfair treatment from the Democratic National Committee—only to have these concerns dismissed by media observers as petulance and conspiracy-mongering:
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The Sanders campaign, by propagating these DNC conspiracy theories, doesn't encourage voters to be vigilant. They're encouraging paranoia.
9:49 AM - 26 Dec 2015 · Florida, USA, United States
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Mediaite: Bernie Sanders Fans’ DNC ‘Collusion’ Conspiracy Theory Is Embarrassing Garbage
LA Times: ‘Hillary Clinton Is Not Winning Because of a Conspiracy’
Daily Kos: ‘There Was the General Conspiracy Theory That Everyone at the DNC Was Out to Get Him’
This weekend, Wikileaks revealed thousands of hacked emails from within the DNC that showed what the New York Times described as “hostility” and “derision” towards the Sanders campaign from top party officials.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (cc photo: Gage Skidmore)
Revelations that the Democratic National Committee was working behind the scenes to undermine Bernie Sanders led to the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz. (cc photo: Gage Skidmore)
While it’s impossible to know whether systemic pro-Hillary Clinton bias at the DNC was decisive in the 2016 Democratic primary race, we now know beyond any doubt that such a bias not only existed, but was endemic and widespread. DNC officials worked to plant pro-Clinton stories, floated the idea of using Sanders’ secular Judaism against him in the South, and routinely ran PR spin for Clinton, even as the DNC claimed over and over it was neutral in the primary. The evidence in the leaks was so clear that Debbie Wasserman Schultz has resigned her role as DNC chair—after her speaking role at the Democratic National Convention this week was scrapped—while DNC co-chair Donna Brazile, who is replacing Wasserman Schultz in the top role, has apologized to the Sanders camp.
Pro-Clinton pundits were quick to dismiss what was literally a conspiracy to railroad the Sanders campaign as nothing more than a yawn:
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If you are shocked by the Wikileaks DNC emails, you probably have never worked in politics

Most surprising thing is how tame they are...
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Whole thing seems a bit silly. Emails come from period where Sanders camp was attacking DNC daily. Surprising, no? https://twitter.com/Violetskyye/status/756990488863838210 …
7:23 PM - 23 Jul 2016
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So what was once dismissed out of hand—that the DNC was actively working against the Sanders campaign—is now obviously true, but not a big deal. This is a textbook PR spin pattern seen time and time again, what might be called the Snowden Cycle: X is a flaky conspiracy theory ? X is revealed to be true ? X is totally obvious and not newsworthy.
Instead, Clinton partisans decided to focus on the alleged Russian links behind the DNC hack. Talking Points Memo editor Josh Marshall (7/23/16) released a rather paranoid rundown the day of the leaks on how Putin was conspiring with Trump (a fairly good debunking of which can be found here), soon after dismissing the substance of the leaks as Russian propaganda white noise. Many soon followed suit: The DNC leaks as Russian spy operation was the preferred talking point of the day, omitting or glossing over what the leaks actually entailed.
The actual culpability of Russia for those leaks, it’s worth noting, is still unproven. The only three parties that have audited the hack are contractors for the US government, and the DNC’s initial story has since changed considerably. At first the DNC (and by extension their security firm CrowdStrike) said ”no financial, donor or personal information appears to have been accessed or taken,” but this later turned out not to be true at all.
Six weeks since

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