Hillary Clinton: just because she deserves her own thread
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Saturday, September 27, 2025 01:07
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DNC throwing the primary to Hillary no big deal? Not to the Sanders delegates at the convention, it isn't. Hillary was booed every time her name came up. Wasserman Schultz, who was already being noised as "too toxic" three months ago, is allowed to quietly disappear from view while another DNC shill will take her place. But the damage is already done. Mission accomplished.
I can't imagine what Sanders is going to say. If he repeats his endorsement of Hillary at the convention, many of those who believed in his "political revolution" will think of him as a coward and peel off. If he refuses to endorse Hillary, he will no longer be able to caucus with the Dems. Even tho he runs as an Independent, his career is toast. At his age, I think he should consider he career at an end. You can't have a revolution without a few casualties. But I think he'll compromise.
Beyond all of this falderal, you should be asking: WHY? Why is the DNC so friggin' committed to Hillary that they just HAD to have the most toxic candidate ever? What the hell kind of deal did they have in the background, and with who, to make this nightmare come true?
FOCUS, folks. Focus on Hillary: Why Hillary?
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Hillary’s Strategy: Snub Liberal Democrats, Move Right to Nab Anti-Trump Republicans
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/25/hillarys-strategy-snub-liberal-
democrats-move-right-to-nab-anti-trump-republicans/
She lost my vote. In my state, Trump will win handily, so I can vote for Sanders or maybe Stein. She's slime.
"Hillary Clinton’s strategy for the general election is to try to peal away anti-Trump Republicans. That’s why we are seeing her move to the right.
Sorry, Bernie Sanders supporters. She’s just not that into you.
To those of us who have been paying attention, Clinton’s post-primary migration toward conservatism comes as no surprise. There’s a reason her campaign appealed to progressives primarily by referencing her work for the Children’s Defense Fund in the 1970s, when David Bowie was an up-and-coming glam rocker. Team Clinton had to go that far back to find evidence of her supposed liberalism.
Nevertheless, many lefties drawn to the Sanders campaign have been struggling to convince themselves that voting for the She-Wolf of Goldman Sachs is acceptable because (a) Trump and (b) somewhere down deep under Hillary’s Dr. Evil outfits there’s an adorable Bernadette waiting to get out and do some good for the world.
Now we have three crucial pieces of evidence that proves that that’s wishful thinking.
First came the revelation that her hawkish approach to foreign-policy sprang not out of the vacuum but from her hobnobbing with a bunch of disreputable neoconservatives who belong in prison rather than advising a possible future president: war criminal Henry “Secret Bombing of Cambodia” Kissinger, Iraq War schemer Robert “Project for a New American Century” Kagan, Bush deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage and Max Boot, renowned as the unstupid neocon.
The second tell was her back-and-forth flip-flopping over the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership or “free trade” agreement designed to destroy whatever is left of America’s manufacturing industry. As Secretary of State, she was for it. Under pressure from Bernie, she came out against it. Now her minions on the Democratic platform committee have arranged to omit her supposed opposition to TPP from the platform — and her pick for vice president, Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, is a virulent supporter of outsourcing American jobs. She’ll sign the TPP.
Kaine, a conservative “Third Way” Democrat in the, well, Clinton mold, is the third giveaway. “If Clinton has reached out to Bernie supporters, it appears that she has done so to stick triangulating thumbs in their eyes,” commented progressive icon Normon Solomon.
If your Democratic Party is the party of FDR and JFK, Clinton’s predictable return to her right-wing roots is a betrayal of core values. Working people need one of America’s two major political parties to care about them."
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So many of you think this about Hillary, or Bernie.
Well, it is a LITTLE about Hillary - I don't trust her and neither do a lot of people.
But it's about the issues. I supported Bernie as long as he stood for the issues that concern me. Now that he doesn't stand for those issues anymore, I'm not going to vote for Hillary just because Bernie said so. Bernie was a messenger for the issues, nothing more.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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I have not read a lot of the emails so far (time is precious, can only find a few) - are there ones from her that show she was complicit in getting the DNC to favor Sanders? ** Or was it mostly the DNC on their own who tried to tip the scales?
I totally agree, she's smiling slime, but I want to know if she's being white washed [wrong usage of an American idiom, are you sure you aren't some sort of UK troll?] with this "emails! Hillary Bad!" meme that is popular.
The DNC is like the Philadelphia police who gave Freddy Gray a "rough ride", which killed him.
One sat on his back while cuffing him, and possibly broke his back. One tossed him in the van without restraints and failed to call for medical assistance. One didn't respond to the fact that Gray had bitten through is lower, lip, was complaining that he couldn't breathe.
It's called "divided responsibility", which means that great evil can be done if everyone does just part of it, with no one being held accountable.
And, really, who the fuck cares if Hillary was DIRECTLY responsible for the DNC's emails, or if it was some sort of consensus-driven corrupt collusion? To dismiss it as "politics as usual" demonstrates that you not only don't realize what people are pissed about, you don't even notice that people ARE pissed. And, what people are pissed off about is EXACTLY what happened: "politics as usual" which squashes their legitimate grievances and ignores their survival.
When did the Democratic Party get so corrupted that it totally ignored ... no, even worse, deliberately squashed ... the interests of people who voted for it? It seems like the DNC spends waaaay too much time conspiring against its own constituency.
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Trump’s Son-in-law’s paper says Putin Hacked DNC to help Trump
http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-dismantling-of-dnc-is-clear-atta
ck-by-putin-on-clinton/
It’s no secret that the DNC was recently subject to a major hack, one which independent cybersecurity experts easily assessed as being the work of Russian intelligence through previously known cut-outs. One of them, called COZY BEAR or APT 29, has used spear-phishing to gain illegal access to many private networks in the West, as well as the White House, the State Department, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff last year. Another hacking group involved in the attack on the DNC, called FANCY BEAR or APT 28, is a well-known Russian front, as I’ve previously profiled.
The answer then is simple: Russian hackers working for the Kremlin cyber-pilfered the DNC then passed the purloined data, including thousands of unflattering emails, to Wikileaks, which has shown them to the world.
This, of course, means that Wikileaks is doing Moscow’s bidding and has placed itself in bed with Vladimir Putin. In response to the data-dump, the DNC has said as much and the Clinton campaign has endorsed the view that Moscow prefers Donald Trump in this election, and it’s using Wikileaks to harm Hillary. This view, considered bizarre by most people as late as last week, is being taken seriously by the White House—as it should be.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And, really, who the fuck cares if [Trump] was DIRECTLY responsible for [stealing] the DNC's emails, or if it was some sort of consensus-driven corrupt collusion [with Putin]? To dismiss it as "politics as usual" demonstrates that you not only don't realize what people are pissed about, you don't even notice that people ARE pissed. And, what people are pissed off about is EXACTLY what happened: "politics as usual" which squashes their legitimate grievances and ignores their survival.
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It seems like Hillary is running an increasingly preposterous campaign, and you're going along with it.
Vote for Hillary - not because of Hillary but because Sanders.
And when that didn't work, because Trump.
And when THAT didn't work, because ...Putin???
Seriously???
Didn't we hear that about Brexit? Don't vote for Brexit "because Putin"?
Holy shit, SECOND, I got some WMD for you!
Quote:So somebody wrote an opinion piece in a paper of which Trump's son-in-law is a partial owner. Did you know that owners aren't supposed to have editorial control?
Trump’s Son-in-law’s paper says Putin Hacked DNC to help Trump
http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-dismantling-of-dnc-is-clear-atta
ck-by-putin-on-clinton/
You made it sound like the article had the backing of Trump's son-in-law. Sheesh.
Quote:Do you REALLY think that the Russian intelligence would use anything so obvious as FANCY BEAR to accomplish a hack??? They're not slouches at programming, yanno!
It’s no secret that the DNC was recently subject to a major hack, one which independent cybersecurity experts easily assessed as being the work of Russian intelligence through previously known cut-outs. One of them, called COZY BEAR or APT 29, has used spear-phishing to gain illegal access to many private networks in the West, as well as the White House, the State Department, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff last year. Another hacking group involved in the attack on the DNC, called FANCY BEAR or APT 28, is a well-known Russian front, as I’ve previously profiled.
Quote:The answer is simple: Guccifer2.0 hacked some lightly-secured DNC emails, and Hillary's campaign is so flustered it's lashing out at anything.
The answer then is simple: Russian hackers working for the Kremlin cyber-pilfered the DNC then passed the purloined data, including thousands of unflattering emails, to Wikileaks, which has shown them to the world.
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This, of course, means that Wikileaks is doing Moscow’s bidding and has placed itself in bed with Vladimir Putin.
In order to show that statement is true, the author would have to show that Wikileaks consistently releases information which supports Russian foreign policy. But WIKILEAKS has produced a lot of data (including on the Turkey coup) that is unflattering to Russian allies. That is a breathtakingly ludicrous concept.
Quote:And we should believe the DNC because... why???
In response to the data-dump, the DNC has said as much and the Clinton campaign has endorsed the view that Moscow prefers Donald Trump in this election, and it’s using Wikileaks to harm Hillary. This view, considered bizarre by most people
And what is the outrage all about? OMG!! DNC email were released! People got insight into the inside politics that goes on!
In the end, Guccifer2.0 did a great service to the American people, by exposing the kind of crap that goes on behind the scenes. And if someone were to hack the RNC servers, so much the better.
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Quote:While Russia develops its evolving military doctrine, known as New Generation Warfare, it is able to exploit a panoply of useful idiots (such as Signym who see themselves as stalwart enemies of The Establishment) — a network much more extensive than the Soviets ever had at their disposal. In political jargon, useful idiot is a term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause. In Russian the term is "useful fools" as in the phrase "useful fools, silly enthusiasts, 1kiki and Signym".
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In the end, Guccifer2.0 did a great service to the American people, by exposing the kind of crap that goes on behind the scenes. And if someone were to hack the RNC servers, so much the better.
The prospect of being able to steer the grandest useful idiot of all — Donald Trump — into the Oval Office has presented what appears to be an irresistible opportunity.
American inaction now risks establishing a de facto norm that all election campaigns in the future, everywhere, are fair game for sabotage—sabotage that could potentially affect the outcome and tarnish the winner’s legitimacy. Inaction also risks squandering the deterrent effects created by the White House’s reaction to North Korea’s role in the infamous Sony Hack, as well as the US Department of Justice indictments of Chinese and Iranian operatives. Remarkably, so far the only countries that have had the confidence to call out aggressive Russian operations are Germany along with Switzerland and France in a more limited way.
Although so far the actual content of the leaked documents appears not to have been tampered with, manipulation would fit an established pattern of operational behaviour in other contexts, such as troll farms or planting fake media stories. Subtle (or not so subtle) manipulation of content may be in the interest of the adversary in the future. Documents that were leaked by or through an intelligence operation should be handled with great care, and journalists should not simply treat them as reliable sources.
The DNC operation is unlikely to remain an exception. The political influencing as well as the deception worked, at least partly. The DNC’s ability to use its opposition research in surprise against Trump has been blunted, and some media outlets lampooned Clinton—not a bad outcome for an operation with little risk or cost for the perpetrators.
http://motherboard.vice.com/en_uk/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being
-behind-the-dnc-hack
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My god, I see you just got on the crazy-bus with GSTRING and KRAPO and THUGR.
Seeing you go off the deep end is sad. Amazing, but sad. I'm not going to respond to much that you've posted because it's 120% nonsense, except this part...
Quote:They ALREADY are open for sabotage, you idiot. Haven't you heard of "black box" voting? Haven't you heard of "dirty tricks"? Don't you think that elections are ALREADY being sabotaged by corporate hacks and lobbyists?
all election campaigns in the future, everywhere, are fair game for sabotage
If the only thing that you noticed and/or responded to was some light shining into those dark and smoky backrooms, then you either have a very naive view of how our elections actually work, or the thought of transparency and democracy really disturbs you.
And FWIW, I have a LONG history of my viewpoints here on this board, long before Russia ever became the bogeyman that you've become so paranoid about. That "commie troll" that THUGR so mistakenly keeps spouting about is not only way off-base, its proven false by my very long history of posts here. Feel free to go back to the beginning of time on that. Pick any number of posts that you want.
Holy crap, SECOND. I'm still dumbfounded at the process of a once-reasonable person turning into a caricature. It's like watching a zombie movie. Good lord.
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Quote:The DNC emails were not hacked in order to promote Democracy. If that had been the purpose, the emails would have been posted on Facebook immediately after the hack.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
They ALREADY are open for sabotage, you idiot.
Nor was the hack to elect Bernie. Nor to show Bernie was wronged by Hillary. A hack is worthless to voters deciding who to vote for unless the emails are publicized before the primary elections.
The hack was to help elect Trump in the general election campaign which started last Friday after the GOP convention. The Russian hackers haven’t explained why they want to help Trump, but Trump is proposing that the USA turn NATO into a protection racket in which countries get defended only if they pay the USA. Just in case you never heard that story, it is here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-nato-we-have-to-walk
Russia hacked the DNC. Russia wants NATO to NOT protect the Baltic states, which were once part of the Soviet Union and have many Russian speakers still living there, who yearn to rejoin the Motherland. Trump will give Russia what it wants in the Baltic if he is elected. It wants to own the Baltic again. Russia never was promoting Bernie or democracy when it hacked the DNC. Russia was looking for information to help Trump.
There is a story called “If Russian Intelligence Did Hack the DNC, the NSA Would Know, Snowden Says” at:
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/26/russian-intelligence-hack-dnc-nsa-
know-snowden-says/
None of this is about you or what you want. It is about Putin knowing that Trump’s combination of ignorance and greed would undermine the Nato alliance. And that is to Putin’s advantage.
Oh, and Bernie lost to Hillary, thanks to Putin and the delayed release of the emails. The final score was 12,029,699 to 15,805,136. That’s a 3,775,437 difference and was unaffected by the knowledge from the hacked emails withheld by Putin until too late to help Bernie. But not too late to help Trump.
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Crazy-talk. I'll get back to this later, if I have time.
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