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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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THGRRI

Friday, July 22, 2016 10:15 AM

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Mainstream media and even the rebel-friendly Syrian Observatory for Human Rights have confirmed the killings and the civilian victims.- SIGNY

"SOHR is a propaganda front run by one guy in London and has zero credibility."3 posts later - *cites [MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND EVEN] SOHR as evidence for the US coalition killing civilians*- KRAPO
How about this, KRAPO? I'll disbelieve everything SOHR says if you do, too.

Well at the moment you disbelieve all SOHR/monitoring groups' reports that speak of Russian/Assad civilian deaths, but believe without question their reports that speak of US coalition civilian deaths. You underline the words 'mainstream media' - yes mainstream media reported this instance of civilian deaths in Manjib, but what sources do you think they were quoting? The SOHR, and other similar monitoring groups of course. There's no deal I can strike with you that will get you to have intellectual standards, if you fail so utterly to impose them on yourself. Nor am I willing to compromise my own intellectual standards for such a bargain.

BRAVO KPO; discussing anything with SIG and 1kiki is like trying to have a three dimensional conversation with people who are one dimensional. I have never met anyone like these two who profess, claim openly but often falsely, to understand the world and complex issues get it so wrong. And willfully so. Lairs best describes them.

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SIGNYM

Friday, July 22, 2016 7:24 PM

Submitted by Ghassan Kadi via The Saker,

Is the genie finally out of the bottle?

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A myriad of seemingly unrelated events and loose ends are converging in a manner that points in the direction of a huge win for Russian diplomacy in the Middle East, and we only need to connect the dots to see this scenario unfolding.

What dots, one might ask?

Henry Kissinger made it law for America to protect Israel. In his shuttle diplomacy trips in the lead up to the Camp David agreement, Kissinger has basically removed the USSR from the position of a superpower and a key partner on the negotiating table between Arabs and the Israelis and reduced its role to zilch. The ensuing dismantling of the USSR and the emergence of the so-called “New World Order” meant that Israel was to maintain its military superiority.

However, with the rise of Axis of Resistance in general and Hezbollah in particular, Israel’s technical military edge proved unable to provide Israel with any real security. As a matter of fact, it seems to have done just the opposite. Israel has never ever been under the kind of existential threat that it faces now, with an estimated hundred thousand Hezbollah missiles, if not more, poised to hit Israeli targets as far as Eilat.

And because America had been such a biased supporter of Israel for so long, it has lost its stature as a non-partisan arbitrator and mediator. In reality therefore, whilst America tried as hard as possible to enable Israel to impose its own peace, under its own terms, in practice, it has not been able to provide Israel with any peace under anyone’s terms.

Off to Syria.

Syria has been deadlocked in a war for more than five years. The Russian intervention that commenced in late September 2015 took the conflict, for the first time, into a direction in which the Syrian Government and its allies gained the clear upper hand.

Then, and in the height of the military operation, and seemingly just a tad before achieving and declaring victory, Russia suddenly declared a major pullout and eventually a ceasefire. Many questions were raised, and even the staunch and extremely savvy ally of Russia, Hezbollah chief Nasrallah himself has questioned publicly in a recent speech the rationale behind the Russian stand and asked: ”Who has benefited from the ceasefire?” Nasrallah was obviously referring to the fact that Al-Nusra Front and other groups have taken advantage of the ceasefire to bolster their positions and even to gain some territory in some regions.

In as much as the Russian intervention in its speed, accuracy and effectiveness has stunned the world, especially NATO, so did the pullback and ceasefire. Why did President Putin suddenly decide to scale down the military offensive, was a question that many analysts asked and tried to make speculations about.

Short-sighted analysts, especially those who love to hate Russia, found in this a golden opportunity to lash at Russia and accuse President Putin of backing off and letting Syria down. But would Putin truly back down after he had put his global political reputation on the line? Was he really expecting the Americans to come clean and work with him on identifying who is who on the ground? Would he back off after Russian lives were lost both in Syria and in the tragic jetliner crash in Sinai, and which was done in retaliation to Russia’s military action in Syria? Would Putin risk being seen in a negative way by his own people after he had risen to the level of a rescuer and hero? Last but not least, would Putin leave Turkey, and Erdogan specifically, “unpunished” after Turkey deliberately downed a Russian plane and killed its pilot?

The collective and individual answer to all of the above questions is a categorical NO. So why did Putin do it then? There seemed to be no clear answer; at least not for a while.

And of course, we cannot mention Turkey without allowing the train of events to stop at the Turkish station for a very thorough analysis.

In my analysis of the failure of “War On Syria”, which effectively began to

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SIGNYM

Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:14 PM

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Aren't you the one who complained about insults? Yes, that was you. As soon as we contest what you write you get pissy - why is that? Just naturally immature?

Do I count that as three questions, or one?

I wasn't complaining about insults. I was complaining that that's ALL you bring to the board. I compared the information that I brought to the board- commentary from all over the world, and all over the political map, original sources and extended analyses, to the information that YOU collectively bring to the board, and noted that you tend to engage in almost exclusively puerile, childish, personal back-an-forth. And look! You're still doing it! Instead of responding to the Khadi analysis, you're still picking fights with me.

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I'm having a hard time understanding what your problem is with the video. There's no denial of the connection. There's disgust and plans to investigate and reasonable assurances that if it's confirmed there will be consequences which include dropping any aid. I'd understand if they said they had no knowledge of the connection - did they do that?

This still stands btw:
Looking at this article even you must have been struck by how many IF runs throughout:
appear
they say
who could be
apparently
allegedly

Are you equating what a few men may have done in Syria with US intentions? Are you equating what a few men may have done in Syria with an entire nation's army and air force do to thousands of civilians?

Are you saying this is the ONLY atrocity that US-backed forces engaged in? You're kidding, right?

What I find interesting is that this is the instance that the USA State Department chooses to acknowledge. Either there is an internal change in policy ... and given than Russia has stopped pushing for a cease-fire and is backing pro-Syrian forces and that they are once again making significant military progress around Aleppo .... and that Turkey may deny the use of Incirlik AFB for USA bombing runs in Syria .... perhaps the State Department is planning to throw its former minions under the bus.

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Do you ever answer questions directly as I just did?

Yes, I frequently answer questions with more questions, just as you did.

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And this is complete made up bullsh*t again from you:
"In reality- the reality that you try so hard to deny- a large part of the "FSA" consists of Wahhabi Sunni extremists - many of them foreign- fighting under the "FSA" flag." Where did I or anyone here ever say that or make that claim? I know, I know, it's a total deflection on your part.

First of all, I'm speaking to the collective "you", especially the three of you. Second, you don't have to make the overt "claim" that you support the "rebels", whether or not they're mixed with terrorists and extremists. All I have to do is point the the title of this thread:

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

to demonstrate where your focus is. And I know what THUGR is going to say... That I never pay attention to the bad things that Russia does. That's not true. I DO pay attention to it. But I don't object to it because it's not us and our allies that are doing it.

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8 ~~simple~~ ridiculous questions - go for it.

Fixed it for you.

Just so you know, I may be away from the board more for the next few months. (THUGR, in case you missed what I said, I said I'd be away MORE, not that I'd be away entirely.)

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

1KIKI

Sunday, July 24, 2016 1:33 AM

"I was complaining that that's ALL you bring to the board."

You just HAD to prove Signy's point, didn't you!

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Just so you know, I may be away from the board more for the next few months.

Helping out Trump?

I'm not sure what we'll do without your lies, deflections and denials, er, I mean "analysis."

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

THGRRI

Sunday, July 24, 2016 4:01 AM

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Just so you know, I may be away from the board more for the next few months.

Helping out Trump?

I'm not sure what we'll do without your lies, deflections and denials, er, I mean "analysis."

Putin saw SIG constantly getting her clock cleaned here G and ordered her back to propaganda school.

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1KIKI

Sunday, July 24, 2016 4:07 AM

"I was complaining that that's ALL you bring to the board."

Speaking of getting your clock cleaned - you just HAD to prove Signy's point, didn't you!

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Putin saw SIG constantly getting her clock cleaned here G and ordered her back to propaganda school.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 24, 2016 5:12 AM

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Just so you know, I may be away from the board more for the next few months. - SIGNY

Helping out Trump? -GSTRING

I'm not sure what we'll do without your lies, deflections and denials, er, I mean "analysis." Putin saw SIG constantly getting her clock cleaned here G and ordered her back to propaganda school.- THGUR

Yes, thank you for proving my point that you have nothing worthwhile to say. Sheesh, you guys are even more puerile than I thought.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 24, 2016 1:21 PM

France Escalates - Sends Aircraft Carrier To Fight ISIS

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Seemingly not satisfied with the domestic blowback from their interventionist-driven Washingtonian foreign policy, Francois Hollande - lagging badly in the polls - has decided to double-down following the recent terror attack in Nice. As Sputnik News reports, France will send artillery to Iraq and its Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier to assist the US-led coalition’s efforts in Syria and Iraq in the coming months.

Maybe because they anticipate not having access to Incirlik AFB in Turkey?

Also, this AFB in Jordan appears to be out of commission ...

Russia Bombed Base in Syria Used by U.S.

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An outpost near the Jordanian border that is used by U.S. and British special forces was hit by the airstrikes last month

http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-strikes-on-remote-syria-garrison-a
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So what's the next nearest AFB? There's one in Qatar. Five military bases in KSA, but I don't know if they're AFB or not. One in Afghanistan. But all of them put westgern Syria just inside range ... or maybe just outside range. I've tried to find out if the USA has conducted any airstrikes in Syria since the attempted coup in Turkey, but it seems not.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

THGRRI

Sunday, July 24, 2016 6:55 PM

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Just so you know, I may be away from the board more for the next few months. - SIGNY

Helping out Trump? -GSTRING

I'm not sure what we'll do without your lies, deflections and denials, er, I mean "analysis." Putin saw SIG constantly getting her clock cleaned here G and ordered her back to propaganda school.- THGUR

Yes, thank you for proving my point that you have nothing worthwhile to say. Sheesh, you guys are even more puerile than I thought.

Are you saying you are upset that some of us here don't cut and paste entire news articles like you do? Articles that many times conflict with what you claim they report. Are saying you are disappointed that we don't post with an agenda like you do? Are you further saying you are disappointed that the rest of us hear don't lie and deny in order to promote our agenda like you do? Etc....

Guilty as charged

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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:59 PM

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Just so you know, I may be away from the board more for the next few months. - SIGNY

Helping out Trump? -GSTRING

I'm not sure what we'll do without your lies, deflections and denials, er, I mean "analysis." Putin saw SIG constantly getting her clock cleaned here G and ordered her back to propaganda school.- THUGR

Yes, thank you for proving my point that you have nothing worthwhile to say. Sheesh, you guys are even more puerile than I thought.- SIGNY

Are you saying you are upset that some of us here don't cut and paste entire news articles like you do? Articles that many times conflict with what you claim they report. Are saying you are disappointed that we don't post with an agenda like you do? Are you further saying you are disappointed that the rest of us hear don't lie and deny in order to promote our agenda like you do? Etc.... -THUGR

YOU DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS. You lie to yourself, you lie to everyone else, your push your agenda nonstop, AND you troll people from post to post and thread to thread, adding NOTHING except childish insults. Yes, you do.

But I'm not upset by that, and that's not why I have to take less time here. I have a real life, yanno, and I expect I will be very, very busy until January, that's all.

You are

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Guilty as charged

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.