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Hillary Clinton: just because she deserves her own thread

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SECOND

Monday, July 18, 2016 7:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I don't despise your support for Hillary. What I despise is how propagandist it is. Instead of noticing how little the dnc machine is willing to consider you where it counts - jobs, trade and - oh yeah, avoiding a nuclear confrontation with Russia - you dismissed Bernie off-hand - he was old, and a little stooped.

And you've been shilling every single fucking falsehood the dnc has been spewing. starting with that 'downticket support' shit.

Maybe you'd be more believable if you bothered to even think about thinking about what's seriously wrong with Hillary and how to influence the Hillary machine. Nope, not you. Hillary is Saint Hillary, according to you. As an argument, it's a joke. YOU'RE a joke. Fuck you.

This is why Republican politicians win so many elections at all levels of government: because they are competing against people like you that lose their cool every single day of their lives. Too much unfocused passion. The US Constitution doesn't give you or your preferred politicians any bonus points for being emotional scatterbrains.

These are only numbers, but they tell a story: Hillary 15,805,136 Bernie 12,029,699 Hillary +3,775,437
www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.
html

Instead of Hillary, it could have been Martin O’Malley or Rocky De La Fuente or Keith Russell Judd or John Wolfe, Jr. or Willie Wilson, but it didn’t work out for them. Any of them would be better than Hillary. We will never know how much better, will we? At least not until 2020 when they can run against President Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_Democratic_Party_presiden
tial_primaries,_2016#Other_candidates

More numbers: either 5 Republican Supreme Court Justices or 5 Democrats. At the moment it is 4 versus 4. I am almost certain that President Trump will choose a Republican Justice. I think it will make a difference if the next Justice is another Antonin Scalia.

1KIKI

Monday, July 18, 2016 7:37 AM

" Too much unfocused passion."

Unlike YOU I've been very focused and very specific in my discussion about Hillary. I've VERY SPECIFICALLY and in a VERY FOCUSED WAY outlined the general issues, and MY PERSONAL FOCUS over .. and over ... and over ... and over ...

But you've been conspicuously absent from ANY discussion about Hillary's shortcomings - and they are many, and potentiality catastrophic, even fatal, even planet-destroying, in the very short-term.

My animus is against YOU. And I assure you, it is VERY focused.

FUCK YOU

SIGNYM

Monday, July 18, 2016 8:51 AM

Quote:
This is why Republican politicians win so many elections at all levels of government: because they are competing against people like you that lose their cool every single day of their lives

You're so full of shit your molars are floating.

You have NEVER discussed Hillary, Obama, or the DNC and its many failures with any sort of objectivity. To you, Democrats are saints and Republicans are devils, and you've failed to notice that the Democratic Party sold its out soul ... and its constituents ... a long, long time ago.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

SECOND

Monday, July 18, 2016 10:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You're so full of shit your molars are floating.

You have NEVER discussed Hillary, Obama, or the DNC and its many failures with any sort of objectivity. To you, Democrats are saints and Republicans are devils, and you've failed to notice that the Democratic Party sold its out soul ... and its constituents ... a long, long time ago.

Is life not treating you right? You seem awfully touchy. As for me, I don't care about Democrats' failings. Those people are all disposable kleenex. If one gets dirty, get another. I'm not committed to Obama or Hillary or any Democrat. But as far as Republicans: Texas is full of Trumps, loudmouths that don't know what they are talking about, salesmen that want to close a deal and steal your money. Have you never had any experience with a Trumpish person?

And I have had a belly full of Ted Cruz and John Cornyn and Dan Patrick and Gov Greg Abbott who spilt his coffee in his lap. That idiot got 3rd degree burns. News story says "legs" because it sounds better than saying dick. And then there is the famous child molester, Republican Dennis Hastert, ex-speaker of the house. www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20160715-gov.-greg-abbott-r
eleased-from-hospital-after-treatment-for-burns.ece

If no Republican ever again was elected, that would be fine with me. It is not that I like Democratic politicians. It is that I loath the Republican politicians' personalities. There must be something about that party making it so attractive to the creepiest politicians. But then again, why are flies so attracted to feces?

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, July 18, 2016 11:17 AM

It's obvious she's hiding something. If she wins I'm moving to AntArtica.

SGG

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-11/strange-gaps-hillary-clintons
-email-traffic

The Strange Gaps In Hillary Clinton's Email Traffic

The past few weeks have brought a myriad of revelations about the private server Hillary Clinton used while she was secretary of state. First, there was the State Department inspector general’s devastating critique of the former secretary’s email practices. Then came sworn testimony of two key Clinton aides about how the server was set up and how the system worked (or didn’t). Just this weekend, Clinton met with the FBI to discuss her email arrangements. And on Tuesday, FBI Director James Comey announced that the agency would not recommend criminal charges over the handling of these emails, while at the same time offering a brutal assessment of how poorly Team Clinton handled classified information.

But, when it comes to Clinton’s correspondence, the most basic and troubling questions still remain unanswered: Why are there gaps in Clinton’s email history? Did she or her team delete emails that she should have made public?

The State Department has released what is said to represent all of the work-related, or “official,” emails Clinton sent during her tenure as secretary—a number totaling about 30,000. According to Clinton and her campaign, when they were choosing what correspondence to turn over to State for public release, they deleted 31,830 other emails deemed “personal and private.” But a numeric analysis of the emails that have been made public, focusing on conspicuous lapses in email activity, raises troubling concerns that Clinton or her team might have deleted a number of work-related emails.

We already know that the trove of Clinton’s work-related emails is incomplete. In his comments on Tuesday, Comey declared, “The FBI … discovered several thousand work-related e-mails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014.” We also already know that some of those work-related emails could be permanently deleted. Indeed, according to Comey, “It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that [Clinton and her team] did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all emails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.”

A brief, semi-technical explanation: as the head records on the hard drive, the track of the head 'wanders' a bit, causing leakage recording along either side. When you 'delete' a file, what the computer does is not 'erase' date - it simply tells the computer that certain areas on the hard drive are now available to be recorded over. With the proper software, you can easily read the ones and zeros on those sectors, and recover all the information, intact (unless it's already been over-written).
To actually erase data, you have to record over those sectors with random ones and zeros ...

not once - because you need to erase the 'leakage' information - but multiple times. Otherwise the data is still FORENSICALLY recoverable.

In other words - somebody didn't just 'delete' the files. They wrote over those sectors, and only those sectors, and re-wrote over them, and re-re-wrote - and so on - until no trace of the data remained.

That that data was well and truly erased indicates a CONCERTED and technical effort on Clinton's part to get rid of ... well ... we'll never know.
But it was roughly HALF of whatever was there. Yep. Apparently, HALF of her emails on her private server set up for work, were personal.
Why does this matter? Because Clinton signed documents decl

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, July 18, 2016 11:24 AM

Thanks for posting the Democratic Platform, it is a public service.....

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The draft democratic party platform also called, 'they bought too many hyphens and dashes and had to use them up'.

https://demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2016-DEMOCRATIC-P
ARTY-PLATFORM-DRAFT-7.1.16.pdf

***DRAFT
–
DELIBERATIVE AND PREDECISIONAL***
2016 Democratic
Party Platform
DRAFT
July 1, 2016
***DRAFT
–
DELIBERATIVE AND PREDECISIONAL***
Version July 1, 2016
ii
TABLE OF CONTENTS
1
Raise Incomes and Restore Economic Security for the Middle Class
3
Minimum Wage
3
Labor
3
Equal Pay, Paid Leave, and Caregiving
4
Housing
4
Social Security
5
Retirement Security
5
Postal Service
6
Create Good - Paying Jobs
6
Infrastructure
6
Manufacturing
6
Clean Energy Jobs
7
Research, Science, and Technology
7
Small Business
7
Youth Jobs
7
Fight for Economic Fairness and Against Inequality
8
Fixing our Financial System
8
Stopping Corporate Concentration
9
Taxes
9
Trade
9
Bring Americans Together and Remove Barrie rs to Create Ladders of Opportunity
10
Racial Justice
10
Racial Wealth Gap
11
Criminal Justice
11
Immigration
12
Civil Rights
13
LGBT Rights
13
Disability Rights
13
Faith and Service
14
Agricultural Communities
14
Poverty / Communities Left Behind
14
Honoring Indigenous Tribal Nations
14
People of the Territories
16
Puerto Rico
16
Protect Voting Rights, Fix Our Campaign Finance System, and Restore Our Democracy
17
Voting Rights
17
Campaign Finance
17
Judges
17
D.C. Statehood
18
Management of Federal Government
18
Combat Climate Change, Build a Clean Energy Economy, and Secure Environmental Justice
18
Clean Energy Economy
19
Environmental and Climate Justice
19
Public Lands and Waters
20
Provide Quality and Affordable Education
20
Higher Education
20
Student Debt
20
Minority - Serving Institutions
21
For - Profit Schools
21
Early Childhood, Pre - K, and K - 12
21
Ensure the Health and Safety of All Americans
22
Universal Health Care
22
Community Health Centers
23
Prescription Drug Costs
23
Medical Research
24
Drug and Alcohol Addiction
24
Mental Health
24
Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice
24
Public Health
25
Violence Against Women and Sexual Assault
25
Gun Violence Prevention
25
Principled Leadership
25
Support Our Troops and Keep Faith with Our Veterans
26
Confront Global Threats
27
Terrorism
28
Iran
29
North Korea
29
Russia
29
Cybersecurity
29
Non - proliferation
30
Climate Change
30
Protect Our Values
30
Women and Girls
30
Trafficking and Modern Slavery
31
Young People
31
Religious Minorities
31
Refugees
31
Civil Society
31
Anti - Corruption
31
Torture
32
Closing Guantánamo Bay
32
Development Assistance
32
Global Health
32
HIV and AIDS
32
International Labor
32
A Leader in the World
33
Asia - Pacific
33
Middle East
33
Europe
34
Americas
34
Africa
34
Global Economy and Institutions
34

1
2016 DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM DRAFT
Preamble
In 2016, Democrats meet in Philadelphia with the same basic belief that animated the
Continental Congress when they gathered here 240 years ago: Out of many, we are one.
Under President Obama’s leadership, and thanks to the hard work and determination of the American people, we have come a long way from the Great Recession and the Republican policies that triggered it. We have seen 75 straight months of private - sector job growth and added 14.5 million new jobs. Twenty million people have gained health insurance coverage. The American auto industry just had its best year ever. We are getting more of our energy from the sun and wind, and importing less oil from overseas.
But too many Americans have been left out and left behind. They are working longer hours with less security.
Wages have barely budged and the racial wealth gap remains wide, while the cost of everything from childcare to a college educati

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SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, July 18, 2016 11:55 AM

You know Second, it's hard trying to submit your line of thinking when it's obvious that it's falling on deaf ears. It's like the kid that covers his ears and whines out loud so as not to hear. No one else's POV is relevant, no one else's posts are as brilliant as the tantrum-throwing child.

Even if one gets it wrong from time to time, at least one admits to being 'human' and not always finding fault simply because it's a differing viewpoint. This country is going to HELL in a hand basket, and Hillary is solely the one to blame.
That's how it seems to be presented. If you don't agree "you're a piece of shit"
of course, this comes from on high, so it must be true. Imagine, a grown, seemingly
"intelligent" person is saying this.

I just heard a Republican on television spew the stupidest thing I ever heard:

"President Obama's failed policies, including the highest unemployment in recent years, have divided this country and produced the worst economy in years."

Wow. And Hillary is the epitome of evil!!!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You're so full of shit your molars are floating.

You have NEVER discussed Hillary, Obama, or the DNC and its many failures with any sort of objectivity. To you, Democrats are saints and Republicans are devils, and you've failed to notice that the Democratic Party sold its out soul ... and its constituents ... a long, long time ago.
Is life not treating you right? You seem awfully touchy. As for me, I don't care about Democrats' failings. Those people are all disposable kleenex. If one gets dirty, get another. I'm not committed to Obama or Hillary or any Democrat. But as far as Republicans: Texas is full of Trumps, loudmouths that don't know what they are talking about, salesmen that want to close a deal and steal your money. Have you never had any experience with a Trumpish person?

And I have had a belly full of Ted Cruz and John Cornyn and Dan Patrick and Gov Greg Abbott who spilt his coffee in his lap. That idiot got 3rd degree burns. News story says "legs" because it sounds better than saying dick. And then there is the famous child molester, Republican Dennis Hastert, ex-speaker of the house. www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20160715-gov.-greg-abbott-r
eleased-from-hospital-after-treatment-for-burns.ece

If no Republican ever again was elected, that would be fine with me. It is not that I like Democratic politicians. It is that I loath the Republican politicians' personalities. There must be something about that party making it so attractive to the creepiest politicians. But then again, why are flies so attracted to feces?

SIGNYM

Monday, July 18, 2016 3:23 PM

Quote:
You're so full of shit your molars are floating. You have NEVER discussed Hillary, Obama, or the DNC and its many failures with any sort of objectivity. To you, Democrats are saints and Republicans are devils, and you've failed to notice that the Democratic Party sold its out soul ... and its constituents ... a long, long time ago. - SIGNY

... If no Republican ever again was elected, that would be fine with me. It is not that I like Democratic politicians. It is that I loath the Republican politicians' personalities.- SECOND

Like I said, you've never discussed Democrats - or apparently Republicans- with any sort of objectivity. You're so emotional about their "personalities" you lose sight of what they've done. That's why you got so snarky about judging politicians against some sort of objective standard: you find it impossible to do.

Well, evil is as evil does. The person who's done the most evil IS the most evil, even if they speak eloquently in dulcet tones.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

REAVERFAN

Monday, July 18, 2016 4:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

I just heard a Republican on television spew the stupidest thing I ever heard:

"President Obama's failed policies, including the highest unemployment in recent years, have divided this country and produced the worst economy in years."

Wow. And Hillary is the epitome of evil!!!

Patently false, yet the media lets it be said with zero fact-checking. Even NPR doesn't challenge these giant lies when they're spewed.

What happened to journalism?

SECOND

Monday, July 18, 2016 8:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Like I said, you've never discussed Democrats - or apparently Republicans- with any sort of objectivity. You're so emotional about their "personalities" you lose sight of what they've done. That's why you got so snarky about judging politicians against some sort of objective standard: you find it impossible to do.

Well, evil is as evil does. The person who's done the most evil IS the most evil, even if they speak eloquently in dulcet tones.

What city and state are you a citizen of? Give me some objective data. And show me that spreadsheet where you objectively calculate who you vote for. I will believe you are objective then.

I’ll give you one data point for your spreadsheet: All Republican voters that I know around Baytown Texas believe Obama was born in Kenya, thus disqualifying him from being President. It is a simple belief that has vast political repercussions. I’ve never found any Republican politicians in Texas who will publicly disrespect that belief because the politician might lose a few votes. At least in Texas, it is a nearly universal belief defining what it means to be a Republican. People with just that one belief are not respectable. But Republicans disagree with me, at least in Texas. No amount of discussion has every changed a Texas Republican’s mind about Obama being a Kenyan and not a born Hawaiian. But perhaps you have had a different experience in your state or your part of Texas?

Predictably, one high profile politician named Trump for five years has raised questions about the authenticity of Barack Obama’s claim to have been born in Hawaii.

If the Republican Party in Texas were a healthy political organization, this would have led GOP elected officials to shun Trump, who had no other particular background in conservative politics. Imagine how fast Democrats would have run away from a television star who started voicing the opinion that 9/11 was possibly, but not certainly, an inside job by Bush and Cheney.

But Republicans did the reverse of shunning Trump. Mitt Romney sought and received Donald Trump’s endorsement, staging a joint event with him and inviting him to address the 2012 GOP convention. This is NOT how trustworthy citizens and the politicians they vote into office ought to behave and it is just one tiny belief out of a hundred that Republicans are wrong about and will not change because they are defined by their wrong mindedness.

Put that in your objective spreadsheet on who to vote for, should you ever start filling cells with your objectively gathered data.