Mike Rowe's advice to graduating class: "Never follow your passion", and other wakeup advice to "generation snowflake"

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SIGNYM

Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:49 PM

Mike Rowe Gives Advice To Students: "Never Follow Your Passion"

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Mike Rowe has some truthiness for those students who are "following their passion" without possessing the skills necessary to accomplish what they're trying to do.

"You've all been given some terrible advice, and that advice is this: follow your passion."

The former host of Dirty Jobs tells it like it is by explaining to students that passion and ability have nothing to do with each other, and that "Just because you're passionate about something, doesn't mean you won't suck at it.". Rowe also reminds students that just because they may have a degree in a chosen field, it doesn't mean that a dream job awaits.

"Dream jobs are usually just that - dreams. But their imaginary existence just might keep you from exploring careers that offer a legitimate chance to perform meaningful work."

"Never follow your passion, but always bring it with you."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-10/mike-rowe-gives-advice-studen
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SIGNYM

Saturday, June 11, 2016 9:22 PM

Generation Snowflake: Safe Spaces, Trigger Warnings And The Wussification Of Our Young People

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Why do so many of our young people instantly break down in tears the moment anything seriously offends them?

I wish this were an exaggeration. Here is a video of a young woman at Yale ... YALE ... shrieking and crying and verbally abusing a professor because Halloween costumes at university take away her "safe space". According to her, university isn't about learning and mentally exploring new ideas.

No siree. It's about creating a place where she is coddled and cosseted and where bogeymen don't scare her.

The shrieking starts at 3:45, but the entire video is a farce of a professor, surrounded by students demanding an apology (because he defended Halloween costumes!), and when he refuses to provide an instant apology devolves into shrieking and abuse. One commentator has called these young people "generation snowflake", another has called them "crybullies".

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Have we raised an entire generation that has been so coddled and that is so spineless that it is completely incapable of dealing with the harsh realities of the modern world?

At colleges and universities all over America, students are now demanding “safe spaces” where anything and everything that could possibly make them feel “uncomfortable” is banned. And “trigger warnings” are being placed on some of our great literary classics because they might cause some students to feel “unsafe” because they may be reminded of a past trauma. In this day and age, our overly coddled young people have come to expect that they should be automatically shielded from anything that could remotely be considered harmful or offensive, and as a result we now have an entire generation that is completely lacking in toughness. That may be fine as long as you can depend on Mom and Dad, but how in the world are these young men and women going to handle the difficult challenges that come with living in the real world?

Author Claire Fox has a great deal of experience dealing with these overly sensitive young people, and she has dubbed them “Generation Snowflake”…

Claire Fox, head of a thinktank called the Institute of Ideas, has penned a coruscating critique of “Generation Snowflake”, the name given to a growing group of youngsters who “believe it’s their right to be protected from anything they might find unpalatable”.

She said British and American universities are dominated by cabals of young women who are dead set on banning anything they find remotely offensive.

Some time ago Fox was giving a speech to a group of young women during which she brought up the subject of rape, and she was completely stunned by what happened next…

Some of the girls were sobbing and hugging each other, while others shrieked. The majority appeared at the very least shell-shocked.

It was distress on a scale appropriate for some horrible disaster. Thankfully, however, I wasn’t in a war zone or at the scene of a pile-up – but in a school hall filled with A-level students.

What had provoked such hysteria? I’d dared express an opinion that went against their accepted way of thinking.

In the western world, political correctness is often taken to absolutely ridiculous extremes in attempt to keep people from being exposed to anything that could remotely be considered “offensive”. For instance, just consider a couple of examples from the United Kingdom…

This hyper-sensitivity has prompted the University of East Anglia to outlaw sombreros in a Mexican restaurant and caused the National Union of Students to ban clapping as “as it might trigger trauma”, asking youngsters to use “jazz hands” instead.

Really?

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Could you imagine banning clapping?

But this is actually happening. Anything that might make someone feel the least bit “uncomfortable” is now being labeled as a “micro-aggression”, and at schools all over America “safe spaces

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SIGNYM

Saturday, June 11, 2016 11:45 PM

More examples of "crybullies" at work. I can't decide if this is rabid liberalism, total hypocrisy, or rampant entitlement.

One comment about this video posted in Youtube:

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"You have to respect people's personal space", she said as she shoved her body into his.

Repeatedly, I might add.

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RIVERLOVE

Sunday, June 12, 2016 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

More examples of "crybullies" at work. I can't decide if this is rabid liberalism, total hypocrisy, or rampant entitlement.

One comment about this video posted in Youtube:
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"You have to respect people's personal space", she said as she shoved her body into his.
Repeatedly, I might add.

The good news is that horrible woman, Asst. Professor Melissa Click, who called for "muscle" to be used against the student journalist was fired from the University a few days later.

As to the big picture, I believe this epidemic of juvenile stupidity and insanity on college campuses is the direct result of a couple of generations of political correctness run amok, byproducts of everything you stated above. It's not enough that there are laws to protect their rights; they want their feelings protected too.

The ironic part of all this that I find hi-larious is that the kids are turning on their school's own long-standing progressive policies and liberal administrations. Colleges have helped create this "crybully" phenomenon themselves. Their little chickens have indeed come home to roost.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:23 AM

Generation Snowflake

Simply put, they are still kids. I'm sure you were Dirty Harry as a four yr old, but that's not how it works for the rest of the planet. Most people's frontal lobes aren't fully formed until the early twenties, btw.

I don't like Halloween costumes myself, mostly because they represent fanatical Christianity. Evil non-existant spirits, ooooh....It's low-brow nonsense to me. AND, with the sulfite problem, neither me or the kiddo can eat 99% of what people give out, so there's that as well.
Also, some people have a perfectly logical fear of Halloween costumes.
I can't speak for them, but I'm sure that some may have been raped or assaulted by people in Halloween costumes. Maybe their fear is more valid than your "Snowflake" assessment of them. Nothing is as simple as it seems to others who pass judgment quickly.

BTW, on the subject of Millennial vs Whatever Generation we're falsely venerating... All generations have bad sides and good sides. All older generations pick on the younger ones to make them feel superior about their "legacy". I think it's pretty easy and pious to pick on people who haven't yet learned to defend themselves.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 12, 2016 8:42 PM

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Simply put, they are still kids. I'm sure you were Dirty Harry as a four yr old, but that's not how it works for the rest of the planet. Most people's frontal lobes aren't fully formed until the early twenties

First of all, these are not four-year olds we're talking about, WISH. They should have made SOME progress in the 14 -16 years since then.

And I wasn't crying about Halloween in college, for crissakes!

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but that's not how it works for the rest of the planet.

Yup. "The rest of the planet" has it much rougher.

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I don't like Halloween costumes myself, mostly because they represent fanatical Christianity.

Actually, I know fanatical Xtians, and they refuse to celebrate Halloween because it's "pagan". There's nothing in the Bible about Halloween, is there? Our place of work stopped having Halloween costume contests about 15 years ago for fear of offending evangelicals.

When I was in college, students were getting clubbed over the head, and maced, and occasionally shot and killed, for demonstrating against the war in Vietnam, where other young people were getting killed, injured, traumatized, and poisoned in droves. (And BTW, THREESTOOGES, I was just as adamant against demonstrators carrying the North Vietnamese flag then as I am against demonstrators carrying the Mexican flag today.)

And even as an ardent feminist, while recognizing the lack of recognitions of women's accomplishments in history and women's influence even in evolutionary biology ("The Descent of Woman" and "The Naked Ape") that didn't prevent me from being horrified at the Women's Studies' College refusal to sign an anti-nuclear petition because "it wasn't a woman's issue".

What? Women are invulnerable to radiation???

My god, what a lack of sense of proportion. These young men and women are operating on about the five-year-old level, when having temper tantrums over miffed feelings is still almost acceptable.

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BTW, on the subject of Millennial vs Whatever Generation we're falsely venerating... All generations have bad sides and good sides. All older generations pick on the younger ones to make them feel superior about their "legacy". I think it's pretty easy and pious to pick on people who haven't yet learned to defend themselves.

As a student and soon-to-be-graduate there are a lot of things to defend yourself against:
Poor job prospects.
High student loans.
Global thermonuclear war.
Climate shift.

But Halloween costumes? "Micro"aggressions?? (And BTW they're called "micro" for a reason.)

I supervise a dozen people, about half of them my age and the other half below about 30, and I have not seen a group of more-entitled crybullies in my life. They endlessly diss others not in their clique ... and there is nothing "micro" about their aggressions ... (requiring disciplinary action) but whine the minute anyone else even looks at them sideways.

I think "snowflake" is a perfect description, not only for the mantra that they were brought up with (You are special unique snowflake) but also for their quick melting under heat, and the pejorative connotation of the word "flake" (unreliable).

I learned something over my several decades of life, and it's that people grow up as they were rewarded as children. Boosting children's "self esteem" baselessly does not create resilience, it creates fragility. Meeting children's every whim does not create empathy, it creates entitlement. If we want to raise a generation of doers and not whiners, I think we need to go back to the drawing board.

I know you're on a permanent rant, WISH, and god knows you have your good reasons, but they aren't you, and you aren't them. These university students are healthy 20-somethings who have been overly coddled throughout their lives.

REAVERFAN

Sunday, June 12, 2016 10:24 PM

Just the latest BS from the reichwing.

Every generation is a bunch of spoiled, coddled brats. I've heard that BS all my fucking life.

Stop believing bullshit. Just because a bunch of whiny reichwing writers decry how kids are different today, it doesn't mean shit.

You need to try science, not propaganda.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 12, 2016 10:46 PM

Well, apparently you're ready to disbelieve the evidence of your own eyes. That's not science, dood, that's blindness.

This generation is the first to grow up on Facebook and Twitter. It definitely creates a different mindset, just as the previous generation's electronic babysitter (television and the broadcast media) created a different mindset.

That's reality. If you think I should follow the science on this, I'll be glad to pull up scientific articles. Which I'm sure you'll be glad to ignore. Especially you, THIRDSTOOGE being the crybully that you are.

You follow me from thread to thread, making shit up, and there is nothing "micro" about YOUR aggressions, is there?

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1KIKI

Monday, June 13, 2016 3:24 AM

I haven't seen much of the social class of millenials (1980 – 2000) outside of the whites who went to college and got a hard-science degree who ended up at my workplace here in So Cal. Maybe those others have a better head on their shoulders.

But the ones at work definitely fit the definition of cry-bullies. To a person, they expected promotions within a year or two of being hired. And in an attempt to get the manager fired (because they assumed the manager didn't like young people, rather than acknowledge that their time on the job was insufficient to develop the detailed knowledge and advanced skills needed for promotion), they ALL got together and concocted a work-place harassment complaint which bounced off the manager - of course it did - but went sideways and almost got an uninvolved person fired. But that person was of my generation, so, no bigee. I've seen no evidence of guilt, or shame, or even mild embarrassment for that. Instead, they seem to have doubled-down by freezing out their collateral damage victim.

Recently one of them put in for a transfer which was held up for many legitimate reasons, and ended up literally crying to me at work because the ADEO offered them a higher paying position instead of the transfer; and they were crying, as they said to me, because 'it's not my passion' and 'it made me feel dirty'. Those are direct quotes.

At the university, where I think the term crybullies originated, the older (my) generation calls them crybullies because they've learned how to manipulate the rules that were put in place to address genuine problems into a coercive tool to advance themselves.

Like I said, maybe other classes and other locations of millenials are different. But the slice that I've seen seems completely self-focused, whose concerns end at the borders of the in-group, and has a poor grasp of ethics. Or, if they have a general code of ethics, it's one that eludes me.

The other thing I've noticed is that their concept of conversation seems to have been shaped by commercials. In a group, they throw poses and 'tudes and bon mots at each other, and can't seem to generate a self-sustaining conversation. Unless they're dissing someone who's outside of the group, in which case they all find it HI-larious.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

SIGNYM

Monday, June 13, 2016 7:52 AM

KIKI, I recognize the same nasty, self-centered behavior in my work workplace's "generation snowflake". And it plays out here on the board, too.

Not too long ago, GSTRING was claiming that old people who didn't follow Twitter were hopelessly out-of-touch. According to him, they didn't know about "technology". He was all ready to claim the generational high ground. Now that he's been called "generation snowflake", suddenly the generational divide doesn't look so good to him.

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1KIKI

Monday, June 13, 2016 8:43 AM

"old people who didn't follow Twitter" don't want to be recorded in the NSA's database. Privacy from government spying. What a dated, old-fashioned idea.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

JO753

Monday, June 13, 2016 6:04 PM

We need to thin the herd. I think a major mutation event in wich all the predator speciez bekum bullet proof, immune to all poizon, etc and hav a taste for human woud solv alot uv problemz.

More likely, we are heded for a morlok/eloi arranjement.

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REAVERFAN

Monday, June 13, 2016 6:58 PM

More anecdotal, generic whining. Not a single fact or study. Just your resentment over a quasi-litigious work environment brought about by the very abuses you still champion.

Fuck Mike Rowe. Fuck your latest pre-fabricated reichwing buzzword labels to cover up your resentment that younger people are moving in and moving up. It's as old as time, and you refuse to see what's right in front of you.

You're getting old and dying out. The next generation looks at you and thinks "why should we listen to you?"

We've wiped out half the world's species in the last 40 years. Maybe we're the fuck-ups.

Time to face reality. “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

Humanity has a horrible record when it comes to doing anything halfway intelligent. Today's kids are equipped with the tools we gave them. You want to blame someone? Look in a mirror. There's your problem. You're selfish and short-sighted, just like the rest of us.

Humanity is on a crash course toward self-destruction. It started way before "generation snowflake," you illiterate babies.

Here's the website the above bullshit came from: https://www.prageru.com/

Pure idiocy, brought to you by a fascist talk radio know-nothing. You want to give him money. I want to kick his flabby ass. Fuck him, and anyone gullible enough to buy his bullshit.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 13, 2016 9:01 PM

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More anecdotal, generic whining. Not a single fact or study. Just your resentment over a quasi-litigious work environment brought about by the very abuses you still champion.

Wait. We champion colluding to lie about someone in order to "get them"? Or is that YOUR specialty?

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Fuck Mike Rowe. Fuck your latest pre-fabricated reichwing buzzword labels to cover up your resentment that younger people are moving in and moving up. It's as old as time, and you refuse to see what's right in front of you.

Yanno, I recognize that in MY day, I looked at older people my current age and thought that they had something to offer.

My dad, who survived a hellish WWII nightmare that I will thankfully never experience, and who rose to become a director of many people gave me a tip on working, which I recall to this day: You can't work at a run. Yes, you can put out bursts of energy for momentary emergencies, but you can't expect your people - or yourself- to constantly operate in "emergency" mode. And if anyone knew about "emergency" modes, it would be him. He also gave us other tips: Go to college, major in something that will get you a good job, so that you don't depend on any man.

My mom, who lived thru the Great Depression, was a hardworking nurse and a tireless homemaker who knew how to stretch a penny. Both parent believed in saving for the future.

My supervisor, who grew up on a small Greek Island where the kids caught baby octopi at the rocky shore and brought them home for dinner, and where they would lower a burning lump of sulfur into the wine vat in order to "sulfite" the wine. His view of contract negotiations was both cynical and comforting, seeing as he had been through many of them before, and recognized the fake management drama for what it was worth.

My other supervisor, who was an honorable man - probably the most honest man I have ever met -warned me that one of the supervisors was out to "get" me (This other supervisor was a serial harasser and I didn't put up with his shit.) This guy was never too proud to admit that he didn't know something, and when he was xfered to supervising another group, which was performing an analysis he knew nothing about, spent the next month being trained by his juniors.

My other supervisor in another lab, who grew up in Lithuania as a young boy in WWII, knew everything that there was to know about every industrial process (We were a "source testing" lab, testing for pollutants being emitted from industrial processes, which meant we had to climb smokestack ladders and work on rooftops. I worked with this man in the top of a shaking 80-ft vacuum distillation tower at a local refinery, on nothing more than a narrow catwalk, and we were both sweating bullets.) and was an amazing chemist with an inventive mind who could figure out how to test any process for anything.

Don't you know any oldsters who told you anything useful? Any lessons from the past that you might gain some wisdom, or at least some information?

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You're getting old and dying out. The next generation looks at you and thinks "why should we listen to you?"

Are you so smart that you can't learn?
Are they?

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We've wiped out half the world's species in the last 40 years. Maybe we're the fuck-ups.

I don't know about you, but I've spent my entire professional life, and much of my high school time, working against environmental degradation. YOU may be a fuckup. I don't think that I am.

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Time to face reality. “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

Who says we need to do "the same thing" over and over? What you WILL do, however, is repeat the same mistakes unless you learn from the mistakes of others. Yanno, we should be building on our knowledge, not throwing it away

SIGNYM

Monday, June 13, 2016 9:33 PM

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Not too long ago, GSTRING was claiming that old people who didn't follow Twitter were hopelessly out-of-touch. According to him, they didn't know about "technology". He was all ready to claim the generational high ground. Now that he's been called "generation snowflake", suddenly the generational divide doesn't look so good to him.- SIGNY

So gosh, never said that. Talk about making shit -THIRDSTOOGE

Uh huh.

Here is THIRDSTOOGE, the extended version, claiming the generational high ground:

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OMG! Change! How old are you people? Just because you can't figure how to actually use your phones you want to dump on the young people, on a forum no less - crassic. Young people who are out with their friends, at the museum, at the stadium, driving around in a rad convertible [while mezermized by their iPhones ]... yeah, they look pathetic.

Yes, they do.

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0_o Whatever granny - try not to break anything.-THIRDSTOOGE

Niether - it's criticism. As people age they become more and more reluctant to change, to learn new things, and often become crabby, lazy simpletons. They live in the past because it's easier.- THIRDSTOOGE

I work in a lab ... an analytical lab. We use computers all the time for things you haven't even dreamt of. Not only do we use computers, we have to change with the technology. In my working lifetime we've gone from wet chemistry with some instrumentation, to instrumentation, to advanced automation, to databasing the data and fully networking our lab, to exploring crowd-sourced environmental data (from citizen iPhones). I've troublshot more "technology" than you can shake a stick at. For sure, I know more about "technology" than you do, and probably more about computers. (HINT: Have you built your own? Ever written a progam?) Clearly, I know how to access the internet. I can do searches. I can view Twitter all I want. - SIGNY

Awww, that's real nice! *pats little Signym on the head*
The fact that you think those are standout achievements only emphasizes your backwardness. It's funny to hear you boast about things so definitively when you have no clue who you are talking with ... wait... I mean it's just empty-headed bravado.

As far as I can tell, I'm talking with someone who knows nothing about anything, because he doesn't even know what I'M talking about.

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And you know this - how? The only thing I get out of your post is how quickly and easily you post lies and claim they're facts. You revealed something about yourself maybe you should have kept hidden. So, is this like a lot of your other 'facts' you so proudly post? FWIW - in 1974 I was backplaning a computer. Oh, you don't know what that means? Poor baby. Four years later I was writing a LIMS. Don't know what that is either? Look it up. Now I'm upgrading our system to (securely) network with 'the cloud'. And that you are so adamantly defensive of you and the others who ceaselessly tweet drivel - dude, you don't seem technological. You're just plain addicted.- KIKI

Wow, in 1974 you did something. Cool. That would be 40 FUCKING YEARS AGO. *Today* the world changes every 3 months. Thanks for confirming how backward you both are, granny.- THIRDSTOOGE

AAANNNd you completely ignored the rest of my post - including what I'm doing NOW. Figures. But then I already knew you were a lying cowardly asshole.- KIKI

And [THIRDSTOOGE] you do... what with your "computer skills"? Hack secrets from the NSA? I doubt it!- SIGNY

Spoken like a true grandma - "Those darn kids! Get off my lawn!"- THIRDSTOOGE

Oh, MRG probably thinks he's part of a "Twitter revolution", like the Arab Spring. Some people think that if not for Twitter, the uprisings wouldn't have happened at all. What most people don't realize is that half of the Egyptian hashtags o

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SIGNYM

Monday, June 13, 2016 9:51 PM

I wonder if THIRDSTOOGE will own up to his disparaging posts about old people, quoted above? Posts which he denied he ever made.

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REAVERFAN

Monday, June 13, 2016 10:03 PM

Fuck Prager. Anyone who gives that idiot money or any credence whatsoever is part of the problem.

We're rapidly approaching the point of no return, where life on the planet will simply collapse. Our generation, for all our pretty words, hasn't done shit to stop it, and we never will.

Follow your dreams, not some moronic asshole with shit advice. Time is running out for humans.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 13, 2016 10:06 PM

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Fuck Prager. Anyone who gives that idiot money or any credence whatsoever is part of the problem.

Who the hell is Prager?

I went directly to Youtube. Yanno, did a search. My links are directly to Youtube. My first quote was from Zerohedge. There was no fundraising there either. So why are you obsessing about him?

And BTW, you DID notice that GSTRING is a lying piece of go se who doesn't even honor his own posts? Do you think HE'S going to save the world???

"Following your dreams" will just lead you into dreamland. You have to DO SOMETHING USEFUL. If we manage to extinguish ourselves ... and it sure looks like it's heading in that direction ... it's because the 99.9999% are too mindful of the 0.0001% who are making all of the decisions.

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REAVERFAN

Monday, June 13, 2016 10:21 PM

This shit-for-brains site, which I linked before.

https://www.prageru.com/

Idiots, haters and fascists, all. Fuck them with a pitchfork.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 13, 2016 10:26 PM

But what does that have to do with... anything else posted in this thread? The only person who brought him up is you. You're the only one who posted a link. Nobody else referenced him, or linked to him, or is agreeing with him, or has derived their arguments from him. As far as I can tell, all you're doing is providing free advertising for him. So why do you keep bringing him up, except in an attempt to paint me with the same brush (which is a dishonest form of rhetoric)?

ETA - Oh, I see. Mike Rowe's video is hosted on Prager's website. I should have simply linked to ZH, but I try to go back to the original video wherever possible. I didn't even look at who was hosting it. My bad. While I agree with THIS video of Mike Rowe's, I have no idea about any of the others.

Still, instead of arguing the point (SHOULD people "follow their dream"?) you went sideways and started "painting everything with the same brush". Insinuation: It's still dishonest.

Not as blatantly dishonest as THIRDSTOOGE, but not real honest either.

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I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 13, 2016 10:49 PM

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So, there is THIRDSTOOGE, going full ret^rd about how "stupid" the older generation is. - SIGNY

Wrong as always - that was me telling you how old you think. Get a f*cking clue.- GSTRING

Don't you realize what you just posted? You just reaffirmed your full ret^ard post: You said (once again) that "old people" think a certain way, or that thinking a certain way is characteristic of being "old". Claiming the generational high ground.

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Tell me, REAVERFAN, just how smart and ethical is THIRDSTOOGE? Do you think HE'S going to change the world? - SIGNY

Ha! Nice recruitment attempt. Pathetic.

Dood, I quoted your at length. You can't convince me - or anyone else for that matter - that you didn't post what you posted, and that you didn't mean what you meant. YOU get a fucking clue. But just to make sure that everyone gets the full monty on what you posted, I'm going to post it, again.

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I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 13, 2016 10:54 PM

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Not too long ago, GSTRING was claiming that old people who didn't follow Twitter were hopelessly out-of-touch. According to him, they didn't know about "technology". He was all ready to claim the generational high ground. Now that he's been called "generation snowflake", suddenly the generational divide doesn't look so good to him.- SIGNY

So gosh, never said that. Talk about making shit -THIRDSTOOGE

Uh huh.

Here is THIRDSTOOGE, the extended version, claiming the generational high ground:

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OMG! Change! How old are you people? Just because you can't figure how to actually use your phones you want to dump on the young people, on a forum no less - crassic. Young people who are out with their friends, at the museum, at the stadium, driving around in a rad convertible [while mezermized by their iPhones ]... yeah, they look pathetic.

Yes, they do.

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0_o Whatever granny - try not to break anything.-THIRDSTOOGE

Niether - it's criticism. As people age they become more and more reluctant to change, to learn new things, and often become crabby, lazy simpletons. They live in the past because it's easier.- THIRDSTOOGE

I work in a lab ... an analytical lab. We use computers all the time for things you haven't even dreamt of. Not only do we use computers, we have to change with the technology. In my working lifetime we've gone from wet chemistry with some instrumentation, to instrumentation, to advanced automation, to databasing the data and fully networking our lab, to exploring crowd-sourced environmental data (from citizen iPhones). I've troublshot more "technology" than you can shake a stick at. For sure, I know more about "technology" than you do, and probably more about computers. (HINT: Have you built your own? Ever written a progam?) Clearly, I know how to access the internet. I can do searches. I can view Twitter all I want. - SIGNY

Awww, that's real nice! *pats little Signym on the head*
The fact that you think those are standout achievements only emphasizes your backwardness. It's funny to hear you boast about things so definitively when you have no clue who you are talking with ... wait... I mean it's just empty-headed bravado.

As far as I can tell, I'm talking with someone who knows nothing about anything, because he doesn't even know what I'M talking about.

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And you know this - how? The only thing I get out of your post is how quickly and easily you post lies and claim they're facts. You revealed something about yourself maybe you should have kept hidden. So, is this like a lot of your other 'facts' you so proudly post? FWIW - in 1974 I was backplaning a computer. Oh, you don't know what that means? Poor baby. Four years later I was writing a LIMS. Don't know what that is either? Look it up. Now I'm upgrading our system to (securely) network with 'the cloud'. And that you are so adamantly defensive of you and the others who ceaselessly tweet drivel - dude, you don't seem technological. You're just plain addicted.- KIKI

Wow, in 1974 you did something. Cool. That would be 40 FUCKING YEARS AGO. *Today* the world changes every 3 months. Thanks for confirming how backward you both are, granny.- THIRDSTOOGE

AAANNNd you completely ignored the rest of my post - including what I'm doing NOW. Figures. But then I already knew you were a lying cowardly asshole.- KIKI

And [THIRDSTOOGE] you do... what with your "computer skills"? Hack secrets from the NSA? I doubt it!- SIGNY

Spoken like a true grandma - "Those darn kids! Get off my lawn!"- THIRDSTOOGE

Oh, MRG probably thinks he's part of a "Twitter revolution", like the Arab Spring. Some people think that if not for Twitter, the uprisings wouldn't have happened at all. What most people don't realize is that half of the Egyptian ha

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THGRRI

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:10 AM

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Generation Snowflake: Safe Spaces, Trigger Warnings And The Wussification Of Our Young People

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Why do so many of our young people instantly break down in tears the moment anything seriously offends them?

I wish this were an exaggeration. Here is a video of a young woman at Yale ... YALE ... shrieking and crying and verbally abusing a professor because Halloween costumes at university take away her "safe space". According to her, university isn't about learning and mentally exploring new ideas.

No siree. It's about creating a place where she is coddled and cosseted and where bogeymen don't scare her. The shrieking starts at 3:45, but the entire video is a farce of a professor, surrounded by students demanding an apology (because he defended Halloween costumes!), and when he refuses to provide an instant apology devolves into shrieking and abuse. One commentator has called these young people "generation snowflake", another has called them "crybullies".

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Have we raised an entire generation that has been so coddled and that is so spineless that it is completely incapable of dealing with the harsh realities of the modern world?

At colleges and universities all over America, students are now demanding “safe spaces” where anything and everything that could possibly make them feel “uncomfortable” is banned. And “trigger warnings” are being placed on some of our great literary classics because they might cause some students to feel “unsafe” because they may be reminded of a past trauma. In this day and age, our overly coddled young people have come to expect that they should be automatically shielded from anything that could remotely be considered harmful or offensive, and as a result we now have an entire generation that is completely lacking in toughness. That may be fine as long as you can depend on Mom and Dad, but how in the world are these young men and women going to handle the difficult challenges that come with living in the real world?

Author Claire Fox has a great deal of experience dealing with these overly sensitive young people, and she has dubbed them “Generation Snowflake”…

Claire Fox, head of a thinktank called the Institute of Ideas, has penned a coruscating critique of “Generation Snowflake”, the name given to a growing group of youngsters who “believe it’s their right to be protected from anything they might find unpalatable”.

She said British and American universities are dominated by cabals of young women who are dead set on banning anything they find remotely offensive.

Some time ago Fox was giving a speech to a group of young women during which she brought up the subject of rape, and she was completely stunned by what happened next…

Some of the girls were sobbing and hugging each other, while others shrieked. The majority appeared at the very least shell-shocked.

It was distress on a scale appropriate for some horrible disaster. Thankfully, however, I wasn’t in a war zone or at the scene of a pile-up – but in a school hall filled with A-level students.

What had provoked such hysteria? I’d dared express an opinion that went against their accepted way of thinking.

In the western world, political correctness is often taken to absolutely ridiculous extremes in attempt to keep people from being exposed to anything that could remotely be considered “offensive”. For instance, just consider a couple of examples from the United Kingdom…

This hyper-sensitivity has prompted the University of East Anglia to outlaw sombreros in a Mexican restaurant and caused the National Union of Students to ban clapping as “as it might trigger trauma”, asking youngsters to use “jazz hands” instead.
Really?

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Could you imagine banning clapping?

But this is actually happening. Anything that might make someone feel the least bit “uncomfortable” is now being labeled as a “micro-aggression”, and at schools all over America

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REAVERFAN

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:04 AM

Yup. Just reichwing bromides meant to make the reader feel superior, while providing zero evidence of any of the huge, insulting, broad claims made by a group of neofascists. Fuck them with a rusty axe.

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:30 AM

"More anecdotal, generic whining. Not a single fact ..."

Is that directed at me? Because as far as I know, things that happen in the real world constitute FACTS. And btw I think I appropriately caveated my experiences. I didn't say they were true of all millenials everywhere. I even noted that they might not be - TWICE. Though they are certainly true of the millenials where I work because - they actually did the things they did and said the things they said.

But, ok. Dismiss facts. No skin off my nose.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:25 AM

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Yup. Just reichwing bromides meant to make the reader feel superior, while providing zero evidence of any of the huge, insulting, broad claims made by a group of neofascists. Fuck them with a rusty axe.

So, would that include GSTRING in that general insult?

Because, as far as I can tell, THIRDSTOOGE dug in there - with gusto!

I did a really simple search on student+resilience, and this was the first thing that popped up:

Declining Student Resilience: A Serious Problem for Colleges
College personnel everywhere are struggling with students' increased neediness.
Posted Sep 22, 2015

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A year ago I received an invitation from the head of Counseling Services at a major university to join faculty and administrators for discussions about how to deal with the decline in resilience among students. At the first meeting, we learned that emergency calls to Counseling had more than doubled over the past five years. Students are increasingly seeking help for, and apparently having emotional crises over, problems of everyday life. Recent examples mentioned included a student who felt traumatized because her roommate had called her a “bitch” and two students who had sought counseling because they had seen a mouse in their off-campus apartment. The latter two also called the police, who kindly arrived and set a mousetrap for them.

Faculty at the meetings noted that students’ emotional fragility has become a serious problem when it comes to grading. Some said they had grown afraid to give low grades for poor performance, because of the subsequent emotional crises they would have to deal with in their offices. Many students, they said, now view a C, or sometimes even a B, as failure, and they interpret such “failure” as the end of the world. Faculty also noted an increased tendency for students to blame them (the faculty) for low grades—they weren’t explicit enough in telling the students just what the test would cover or just what would distinguish a good paper from a bad one. They described an increased tendency to see a poor grade as reason to complain rather than as reason to study more, or more effectively. Much of the discussions had to do with the amount of handholding faculty should do versus the degree to which the response should be something like, “Buck up, this is college.”

Does the first response simply play into and perpetuate students’ neediness and unwillingness to take responsibility? Does the second response create the possibility of serious emotional breakdown, or, who knows, maybe even suicide?

Two weeks ago, that head of Counseling sent us all a follow-up email, announcing a new set of meetings. His email included this sobering paragraph:

“I have done a considerable amount of reading and research in recent months on the topic of resilience in college students. Our students are no different from what is being reported across the country on the state of late adolescence/early adulthood. There has been an increase in diagnosable mental health problems, but there has also been a decrease in the ability of many young people to manage the everyday bumps in the road of life. Whether we want it or not, these students are bringing their struggles to their teachers and others on campus who deal with students on a day-to-day basis. The lack of resilience is interfering with the academic mission of the University and is thwarting the emotional and personal development of students.”

He also sent us a summary of themes that emerged in the series of meetings, which included the following bullets:

Less resilient and needy students have shaped the landscape for faculty in that they are expected to do more handholding, lower their academic standards, and not challenge students too much.

There is a sense of helplessness among the faculty. Many faculty members expressed their frustration with the current situation. There were few ideas about what we could do as an institution to address the issue.

Students are afraid to fail; they do not

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Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:39 AM

The Resilience Project (Stanford)

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The Resilience Projectis a resource that uses personal narratives, programming, and coaching to motivate and support students as they experience the normal academic setbacks that are part of a rigorous education.

https://undergrad.stanford.edu/resilience

Apparently, this is such a problem that Stanford has set up a "project"! There are literally dozens of citations on "how to build resilience".

Student 'addiction' to technology 'similar to drug cravings', study finds
Withdrawal symptoms experienced by young people deprived of gadgets and technology is compared to those felt by drug addicts or smokers going “cold turkey”, a study has concluded.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8436831/Student-addiction-t
o-technology-similar-to-drug-cravings-study-finds.html

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I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM

Coping with college

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Often parentally micromanaged, pressured by high expectations, grappling with depression and anxiety, a bit socially awkward or just a little bit lost in a strange new world, today’s college students are seeking counseling in greater numbers than did previous generations, according to college counselors and other experts.

http://ct.counseling.org/2016/03/coping-with-college/
(Counseling Today)

Students under pressure

College and university counseling centers are examining how best to serve the growing number of students seeking their services.

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About one-third of U.S. college students had difficulty functioning in the last 12 months due to depression, and almost half said they felt overwhelming anxiety in the last year, according to the 2013 National College Health Assessment, which examined data from 125,000 students from more than 150 colleges and universities.

Other statistics are even more alarming: More than 30 percent of students who seek services for mental health issues report that they have seriously considered attempting suicide at some point in their lives, up from about 24 percent in 2010, says Pennsylvania State University psychologist Ben Locke, PhD, who directs the Center for Collegiate Mental Health (CCMH), an organization that gathers college mental health data from more than 263 college and university counseling or mental health centers.

"Those who have worked in counseling centers for the last decade have been consistently ringing a bell saying something is wrong, things are getting worse with regard to college student mental health," Locke says. "With this year's report, we're now able to say, ‘Yes, you're right.' These are really clear and concerning trends."

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/09/cover-pressure.aspx

Your iPhone Is Making You Depressed

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The researchers asked 346 college students to complete an online survey measuring smartphone use, Big Five personality traits (conscientiousness, neuroticism, openness, agreeableness and extraversion), materialism and need for arousal.

The data revealed that those who use their smartphones more frequently are more prone to moodiness, materialism and temperamental behavior, and are less able to focus their attention on the task at hand.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/19/phone-addiction-depression_n_
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The title and the article don't match. The article implies that cellphone addiction is the RESULT of emotional instability, not its cause.

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I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM

Interesting. I didn't realize that the millenials at work are a small example of a larger trend.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:22 AM

More and more we see people freaking out about gum in their carpets. Several people have committed suicide and children are running scared. Here are some thoroughly researched tips in not only removing said gum, but by doing so you can also release yourself of the symptoms of post tarmac stress and trauma.

Published by Penny Vincent on October 5, 2009 | 12 Responses

Chewing Gum
Chewing Gum

Unfortunately, one of the hazards of chewing gum is that it can easily get stuck to household carpets. It can become adhered to the carpet via a child that does not know any better. Or the gum may fall off a shoe that picked up the gum off a dirty sidewalk. There are numerous ways gum may end up in a carpet. However, there are also many ways to remove it from a carpet. However, it is best to choose a method that does not harm the carpet, such as by staining it or destroying the carpet’s fibers.

Recommended methods

The most recommended method is to rub the affected area with an ice cube until the gum becomes brittle. Once the gum becomes brittle, scrape the gum off with a butter knife. This method leaves the least amount of residue and usually works on most fabrics. However, if it fails, then try one of the following methods:

•Peanut butter – Gently apply approximately 1 teaspoon of peanut butter (preferably creamy style) to the affected area. Then remove the gum with a moist washcloth. The peanut butter oil will make the gum less sticky, but it will most likely leave a residue too. So after removing the gum, use the tip of a washcloth to apply a carpet stain remover or a bit of dish washing soap mixed with water to remove the residue.
•Olive, corn, or vegetable oil – Just like peanut butter, any of these oils can reduce the stickiness of the gum. Apply about 1 teaspoon of oil and cover the gum completely. Then simply pick the gum up with your fingers. However, this method is among the least recommended due to its tendency to staining the carpet. The oil’s residue should be cleaned with a carpet cleaning vacuum immediately after removing the gum.
•WD-40 spray – Spray a small amount on the affected area and then briefly work it in. Once the gum is loosened, you can simply pick it up with your fingers. However, as with the peanut butter and other oils, the area must be cleaned after removing the gum, using a mild dish detergent and moist washcloth or else a carpet cleaning vacuum. It should also be noted that WD-40 is very flammable and proper precautions must be taken when using the product.
•Vinegar – A bit of vinegar applied directly to the gum can also help remove the gum. Just let the vinegar soak into the gum for about 15 minutes, and then scrape the gum off with a butter knife. However, make sure the vinegar does not make the carpet bleed first.
•Goo Gone – A commercial product made of citrus and other ingredients, Goo Gone is designed to eliminate sticky problems. It can be sprayed on to the affected area to loosen the gum. And then a washcloth is used to remove the gum, just like with WD-40. After removing the gum, simply use a moist cloth to clean the area. It should be noted that although this product does work well, it is also a bit more expensive to use than the aforementioned methods. Many of the homemade solutions work just as well as this product does.

Read instructions, test treatment first

Be sure to read the instructions before using any stain or gum remover product. Also, always test the treatment in a hidden area of the carpet before using it in a conspicuous area. Some formulas, including those for dish detergents, can bleach or stain a carpet, or harm the fibers. Never use a scrub brush, steel wool or too much elbow grease, since these can also damage the fibers or fabric.

Remember, the best way to remove gum is to harden it first, then gently scrape the gum off with a butter knife. However, there are numerous other household items and commercial products that may help, besides just the aforementioned methods.. You just have to find the ones

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:51 AM

Hmmm, ok Thgrri. Thanks....

One of the big reasons I didn't go to college (aside from my mother talking me out of it and then dumping me in a mobile home the week I turned 18 and moving to Fl.) was I knew I knew NOTHING. I was extremely sheltered for the first twelve years, then neglected and literally beaten the other 6. And I had it better than some...

High school teaches these kids NOTHING about the real world, Then it gives them $30,000 dollar loans and tells them "Die trying". I don't envy these kids. It was hard enough 20 years ago when rent and gas and food was fairly cheap. They don't even understand the debt slaves they will be for the next 20 years. I would NOT wish to be in the current generation for ANYTHING.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:39 PM

I was one of the last "free range" children, I think. I had plenty of opportunity to run thru the fields, get in trouble (with creeks, horses, and bicycles anyway), and play physical games with the other neighborhood kids.

But that wasn't an ideal way to be raised either, because it didn't tell me how to solve adult problems. And by the time I was trying to solve these problems, my parents and I weren't speaking and in any case, they weren't in the habit of giving advice. I guess that they felt they couldn't because, hey, it was a new world the next generation was living in. So I was kind of lost and struggling on my own. At least I knew how to study hard and work hard, and that was a reasonable answer (if not a complete one) to many things. I learned the value of CONTINUING to learn, and I know a lot more than I did when I was 25.

So, if we're going to teach the next generation, what do we teach them? What durable, life-affirming lessons get passed on, aside from the value of hard work and continual learning?

I guess not being afraid to make mistakes would be one of them. There are potentially fatal mistakes, and there are other mistakes. Gaging the nature of the risk would be another lesson. Having a plan instead of useless worrying would be another. Learning to deal with others.

How people react under stress would be another. One thing I learned from some very stressful periods of my life is that people do NOT do their best thinking under stress: They tend to "awfulize" and become hyperfocused on the stressor. So maybe learning how to handle stress. Being more realistic.

I don't know what the answer is, but I think that "we" are teaching our children all the wrong things.

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I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:57 PM

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Incredible. You dredge up old videos

Wow, these videos must be AT LEAST SIX MONTHS OLD! My bad!

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and point to a few students' behavior

And many articles from colleges, university counseling centers, and psychologists

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to demean an entire generation, and you call me ageist???

I don't need to demean you; you manage to be a jerk all by yourself. And may I say... You started it?.

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The circle is complete - you're making yourself look like an idiot without anyone else's help. Nice one Granny.

Ok, don't mind it I do! REPOST, GSTRING'S opening salvo in sheer ageism, which - I might add- he vehemently denied ever posting:

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Not too long ago, GSTRING was claiming that old people who didn't follow Twitter were hopelessly out-of-touch. According to him, they didn't know about "technology". He was all ready to claim the generational high ground. Now that he's been called "generation snowflake", suddenly the generational divide doesn't look so good to him.- SIGNY

So gosh, never said that. Talk about making shit -THIRDSTOOGE

Uh huh.Here is THIRDSTOOGE, the extended version, claiming the generational high ground:

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OMG! Change! How old are you people? Just because you can't figure how to actually use your phones you want to dump on the young people, on a forum no less - crassic. Young people who are out with their friends, at the museum, at the stadium, driving around in a rad convertible [while mezermized by their iPhones ]... yeah, they look pathetic.

Yes, they do.

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0_o Whatever granny - try not to break anything.-THIRDSTOOGE

Niether - it's criticism. As people age they become more and more reluctant to change, to learn new things, and often become crabby, lazy simpletons.

Sounds like GSTRING: a crabby, lazy, ENTITLED simpleton.

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They live in the past because it's easier.- THIRDSTOOGE

I work in a lab ... an analytical lab. We use computers all the time for things you haven't even dreamt of. Not only do we use computers, we have to change with the technology. In my working lifetime we've gone from wet chemistry with some instrumentation, to instrumentation, to advanced automation, to databasing the data and fully networking our lab, to exploring crowd-sourced environmental data (from citizen iPhones). I've troublshot more "technology" than you can shake a stick at. For sure, I know more about "technology" than you do, and probably more about computers. (HINT: Have you built your own? Ever written a progam?) Clearly, I know how to access the internet. I can do searches. I can view Twitter all I want. - SIGNY

Awww, that's real nice! *pats little Signym on the head*
The fact that you think those are standout achievements only emphasizes your backwardness. It's funny to hear you boast about things so definitively when you have no clue who you are talking with ... wait... I mean it's just empty-headed bravado.- GSTRING

As far as I can tell, I'm talking with someone who knows nothing about anything, because he doesn't even know what I'M talking about.

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And you know this - how? The only thing I get out of your post is how quickly and easily you post lies and claim they're facts. You revealed something about yourself maybe you should have kept hidden. So, is this like a lot of your other 'facts' you so proudly post? FWIW - in 1974 I was backplaning a computer. Oh, you don't know what that means? Poor baby. Four years later I was writing a LIMS. Don't know what that is either? Look it up. Now I'm upgrading our system to (securely) network with 'the cloud'. And that you are so adamantly defensive of you and the others who ceaselessly tweet drivel - dude, you don't seem technological. You're just plain addicted.- KIKI

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Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:14 PM

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And, yanno, I'm going to just keep re-posting your posts in all their ageist glory to every comment that you make in this thread.

No, pick me, pick me

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:27 AM

DEAR GAWD PEOPLE, STOP WITH THE LINE-BY-LINES AND THE DREDGING OR SO HELP ME, I WILL TURN THIS CAR AROUND AND WE WILL GO HOME!

1KIKI

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:34 PM

OMG, that would be rummaging through a cesspool.

No, pick me, pick me

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

SIGNYM

Monday, June 20, 2016 12:17 PM

Oh look! It's KRAPO, GSTRING, and THUGR!

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THGRRI

Monday, June 20, 2016 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look! It's KRAPO, GSTRING, and THUGR!

Looks like we just read one of your posts.

Yeah G I remember which one. Her and 1kiki's denial that Russia invaded Ukraine after they annexed Crimea.