Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread
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Well, at least you did one better than Bernie. You answered a question directly.
SGG
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
" So, his intentions are not honorable?"
Not with his neo-CON State Department, spying on us, drone strikes, and pushing those 'free' trade agreements. Those are all on him, and something he has complete control over.
So, no, his intentions are not honorable.
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So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?
So the banks will benefit further, international law firms will hold us hostage,
Saudi Arabia will take over the US Banks (like Bank of America, who launders
money for the Russian Mob) and restructure our economy. The Global multinational
companies have nothing to do with workers here losing millions of jobs. One person and one person only is to blame, and that's Hilary Rodham Clinton.
If she's corrupt, as you so eloquently put it, then, I say, all those
motherfuckers are corrupt, beginning and ending with Ted Cruz & Trump. Those
evil bastards running the states too. FUCK THEM ALL! That's what's needed.
Damn them all to hell. Name one of them that isn't a greedy, sleazeball,
scumbag son of a whore that's in on the TAKE.
Go ahead, I dare you to say Bernie!
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...
Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.
I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?
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Thanks Kiki for posting the DN interview, it was very enlightening.
I dare say that Bojangles would be proud of Bernie, and that he would have won
an Oscar for his performance, as he tap danced his way around the details. His
entire campaign is built on a House of Cards. There is no foundation to his
claims that he will dismantle the banks (as he has so vigorously extolled) and
reform Wall Street.
For example:
Daily News: I get that point. I'm just looking at the method because, actions have reactions, right? There are pluses and minuses. So, if you push here, you may get an unintended consequence that you don't understand. So, what I'm asking is, how can we understand? If you look at JPMorgan just as an example, or you can do Citibank, or Bank of America. What would it be? What would that institution be? Would there be a consumer bank? Where would the investing go?
Sanders: I'm not running JPMorgan Chase or Citibank.
Daily News: No. But you'd be breaking it up.
Sanders: That's right. And that is their decision as to what they want to do and how they want to reconfigure themselves. That's not my decision. All I am saying is that I do not want to see this country be in a position where it was in 2008, where we have to bail them out. And, in addition, I oppose that kind of concentration of ownership entirely.
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So what exactly is he going to do once he reaches the White House? Is he going to break up the banks? Is he going to restrict Wall Street? What changes will he
personally make to affect the economic landscape of our country, as he has
promised?
He states that he was on the Veteran Affairs Committee, yet you have veterans in
Arizona that were not allowed to vote. Does that seem right to you? What is his
voting record when it comes to veterans? What will he do when the time comes to
break up the banks? Does he know?
SGG
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Quote:I am being mean to tired, old man Bernie but the easy slogan here is “Break up the big banks.” It’s obvious why this slogan is appealing from a political point of view: Wall Street supplies an excellent cast of villains. But were big banks really at the heart of the financial crisis, and would breaking them up protect us from future crises?
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
So what exactly is he going to do once he reaches the White House? Is he going to break up the banks? Is he going to restrict Wall Street? What changes will he personally make to affect the economic landscape of our country, as he has
promised?
What will he do when the time comes to break up the banks? Does he know?
SGG
Many analysts concluded years ago that the answers to both questions were no. Predatory lending was largely carried out by smaller, non-Wall Street institutions like Countrywide Financial; the crisis itself was centered not on big banks but on “shadow banks” like Lehman Brothers that weren’t necessarily that big. And the financial reform that President Barack Obama signed in 2010 made a real effort to address these problems. It could and should be made stronger, but pounding the table about big banks misses the point. We all know old people who miss the point. I've got a crowd pleasing suggestion for Bernie: all Bankers are Terrorists and must die. Bernie can then be very specific about using drones against bank buildings and filling Guantanamo with bankers to be tortured. That is what I call a detailed plan for breaking up big banks. He won't need Congressional approval, which he can't get anyway, for more moderate plans.
Yet going on about big banks is pretty much all Sanders has done. On the rare occasions on which he was asked for more detail, he didn’t seem to have anything more to offer. And this absence of substance beyond the slogans seems to be true of his positions across the board.
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The big banks were desk-deep in the 2008 panic .... They engaged in robo signing
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In 2010, it was revealed that several large banks routinely used affidavits signed by employees who did not personally review the documents and had no basis for believing that the homeowner was in default or that the bank owned the loan. Employees for financial giants like Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo, and GMAC have all testified that they signed many thousands of affidavits a month, spending about 30 seconds on each affidavit, and that they didn't have a clue regarding the veracity of the affidavit or the documents in question -- hence the name "robosigners." In 2012, a $25 billion settlement among 49 state attorneys general, federal regulators and five banks that was announced in 2012, and in early 2013, federal regulators announced a $9.3 billion settlement with 13 banks over the robo-signing scandal and other abuses.
Now, why would banks like Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo, and GMAC be "robosigning" affidavits if they did not hold many of these subprime mortgages?
In addition to these large banks having bought many subprime mortgages, they also bought Mortgage Backed Obligations (MBOs) and Credit Default Swaps (CDSs) which insinuated specious mortgages into financial institutions everywhere (including large insurers like AIG).
While the "big boys" could withstand the shock of the subprime collapse, many medium-sized ones couldn't. Here is a list of banks which became insolvent in 2008:
Wachovia, Downey S&L, Indy Mac S&L, Colonial Bank, Guaranty Bank S&L, and WaMu S%L. In addition are several large American insurers like Ambac (which also insured municipal bonds, which made a huge mess of that bond market.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banks_acquired_or_bankrupted_dur
ing_the_Great_Recession
Trying to pin it all on the "shadow banks" ignores the point that these "shadow banks" SOLD the mortgages elsewhere, and found ready buyers in investment banks, depositor banks, and insurers.
In any case the environment is no longer the same as before. Large banks are now protected by "bail in" provisions in which YOUR DEPOSIT is no longer considered your money, but instead is considered as an unsecured LOAN to the bank. Should this bank fail, it can exchange YOUR MONEY for stock shares of the bank (of unknown value).
In theory, the first roughly $250,000 is protected by FDIC, but in reality if you have your money in a credit union (for example) or a smaller bank, these institutions save their money in larger in institutions in large uninsured deposits. And if the bail-in measures need to be invoked, the shit has already hit the fan.
Instead of large, un-insurable banks, we really need smaller ones.
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https://www.depositaccounts.com/blog/2009/09/credit-union-members-bewa
re-your-credit.html
private insurer of credit unions - take home message - if you don't or can't look up who's insuring your credit union, make sure you have one with the word 'federal' in its name ... you will avoid private insurance that way
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Hillary's RECORD on Israel
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33868-what-we-can-expect-from-hilla
ry-clinton-on-israel-palestine
One of the big challenges regarding the application of international law is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which involves a foreign belligerent occupation, illegal colonization, war crimes committed by both the occupying power and at least one arm of the resistance, and scores of UN Security Council resolutions. As senator and subsequently, Hillary Clinton has developed a reputation as one of the most right-wing Democrats on Israel/Palestine, repeatedly siding with Likud-led governments against Israeli progressives and moderates, and taking a dismissive attitude regarding the application of international law or any role for the United Nations.
As a senator, Clinton defended Israel's colonization efforts in the occupied West Bank and was highly critical of the United Nations for its efforts to uphold international humanitarian law, which forbids transferring civilian populations onto territories under foreign belligerent occupation. Clinton criticized the UN's enforcement of four UN Security Council resolutions calling on Israel to end the practice, and even took the time for a 2005 visit to a major Israeli settlement in the occupied West Bank in a show of support. She moderated that stance somewhat as secretary of state in expressing concerns over how the right-wing Israeli government's settlement policies harmed the overall climate of the peace process, but she has refused to acknowledge the illegality of the settlements or demand that Israel abide by international demands to stop building additional settlements. Subsequently, she has argued that the Obama administration pushed too hard in the early years of the administration to get Israel to suspend settlement construction.
In 2011, Clinton successfully pushed for a US veto of a UN Security Council resolution reiterating the illegality of the settlement drive and calling for a settlement freeze. The UN Security Council has traditionally been the vehicle for enforcing international law in territories under foreign belligerent occupation, but Clinton noted, "We have consistently over many years said that the United Nations Security Council - and resolutions that would come before the Security Council - is not the right vehicle to advance the goal," despite the US failure to stop this colonization drive on its own.
Hillary's RECORD on
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2016/01/16/clinton-record-wall
-street-laissez-faire/Z2a3iOsj40wryeRN2iT6qK/story.html
She took a mostly hands-off approach to Wall Street regulation. With banks enjoying a new era of deregulation that her husband helped create, a neutralized Clinton represented a win for the financial services industry and its perpetual effort to free itself from Washington’s hand.
The Boston Globe reviewed eight years of lobbying disclosure forms for the four financial services firms that donated the most money to Hillary Clinton while she was in the Senate. The review examined which banking and finance bills those banks cared the most about, and whether she took a position on them.
The junior senator from New York rarely signed on to bills related to the financial services industry — whether the banks supported or opposed the measures. Of the 189 Senate bills that their lobbyists identified as significant banking or finance legislation, she cosponsored only 25.
Of those, most of the ones she put her name on were also backed by Schumer — a member of the Senate Banking Committee who has never been known as an anti-Wall Street crusader.
“She was not a champion of the financial sector, nor was she an antagonist,” said one financial services executive who lobbied her while she was in the Senate. “The financial sector viewed her as neutral. Not helpful, but also not harmful.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/hillary-clinton-mixed-record-on-wal
l-street-tough-cut-it-out-talk
Hillary Clinton’s Mixed Record on Wall S
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
God forbid Bernie should tell the truth. So here it is in very brief terms.
New York is full of Zionist Jews who think Israel is justified no matter what it does (oh look, Israel is a baby-USA), and it's the home of Wall Street and 2 bigee bank bankstas (rhymes with gangstas).
Those are exactly the people Hillary's been sucking up to. I guess that's what you have to do to win the state.
How does this story mesh with Hilliary constantly pulling the rug out from under Israel, and all the Libtard Jews of America voting against Netanyahu?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...
Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.
I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?
So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?
SGG
I sincerely doubt you know what a neocon is.
Care to share what your personal definition is?
This ought to be a hoot.
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