Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread
POSTED BY: reaverfan
UPDATED: Monday, July 27, 2026 16:39
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Here is an extended (30 minute) interview with Bernie Sanders by The Young Turks' Cenk Uygur.
One point you never hear about in MSM: Sanders would fare BETTER than Hillary Clinton in a head-to-head against Trump
However, my objection to Sanders still stands: He's pretty much down-the-line supporter of DEMOCRAT'S wars of choice, and a staunch supporter of Israel no matter how horrific Israel's actions. His foreign policy is less overtly hawkish than Clinton, but he still makes poor choices, leading me to think that his considerations about foreign policy are less grounded in reality than in politics.
Also, his call to "elect people who are accountable to the people of the United States" is a flaccid truism.
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Sanders' position on Israel, albeit not perfect (even though it's improved from 2014 (Telling your audience to "shut up" is probably not the best maneuver.)), is still saner than all the other candidates. Ok, maybe Jill Stein's is slightly better.
A curiosity, Signym: Of all the time you've been on this planet, who(m) is your favorite or least bad presidential candidate?
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However, my objection to Sanders still stands: He's pretty much down-the-line supporter of DEMOCRAT'S wars of choice...
Bullshit. He's one of the ONLY congresspeople to vote AGAINST military intervention at nearly every opportunity.
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"and a staunch supporter of Israel"
He's the only major candidate to not speak at AIPAC this year.
http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2016-03-25/article/44283?head
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Kudos to Senator Sanders – the only presidential candidate who had did not grovel before the mighty AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) and offered a far more balanced approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Unlike the other candidates who only offered more of the same, Sanders is the only Jewish candidate who experienced living in a Jewish Kibbutz and took aim at right-wing Prime Minister Netanyahu’s polices of illegal occupation and settlement expansion.
He reminded us that “Gaza’s unemployment today is 44 percent and poverty rate almost as high.” He stressed the need to be successful;” we have to be a friend not only to Israel, but to the Palestinian people.” He called for an end to the occupation and blockade of Gaza and was equally critical of Hamas’s rocket attacks and Israel’s overwhelming response that killed 1,500 civilians, wounded thousands and devastated much of the Gaza’s infrastructure.
This is a man who has a well-calibrated moral compass who speaks his mind but who is not out of his mind like his Republican counterparts. Contrast his message with Clinton’s who only promises to sink billions more into futile wars and American lives. She has a poor record of hasty decisions for regime changes in Iraq and Libya and offers nothing new to end the festering conflict in Israel. Kissinger’s endorsement will come back to haunt her.
Hillary otoh gave a speech that was truly horrifying.
http://time.com/4265947/hillary-clinton-aipac-speech-transcript/
I think we should all give them a hand for being here (young AIPAC members) and beginning their commitment to this important cause. ... Candidates for president who think the United States can outsource Middle East security to dictators ...(hunh?) ... As we gather here, three evolving threats — Iran’s continued aggression, a rising tide of extremism across a wide arc of instability, and the growing effort to de-legitimize Israel on the world stage — are converging to make the U.S.-Israel alliance more indispensable than ever.
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I like Bernie. I like his policies - he wants to focus on the domestic front, and help reduce some of the squeeze on the middle class, including up and coming members of the middle class who are struggling against the current economic climate and college debt. He is the only one talking about campaign finance reform and corruption. I trust him more than Hillary, and a lot more than Trump.
I have mixed feelings though. I am not afraid of the sort of mixed economy he promotes, but I am concerned how far reaching policies which consolidate can be used by the power hungry and perpetuated even with the pendulum swinging between parties, like the PATRIOT Act. I don't know how economic and social welfare policies can look in the hands of the power hungry when misused, but I can't imagine it's pretty.
Bernie has pie in the sky dreams that I am not sure how he intends to put into action. It's basically going to be up to his advisors, who may help him or screw him over, and it's going to be up to congress, which can take a good idea and tack on so many additions that it will look like an abomination, no matter which party is the majority.
I'm also unsure about what will happen with Israel with Bernie, but then every candidate feels the pressure from that corner.
Part of me thinks Bernie is the best chance we have for someone not corrupt and insane in the office. Part of me thinks even if we do elect him (or even Trump), it won't matter, because it's other factors that are controlling the future of our society.
And part of me thinks despite the recent wins, and despite me wanting to see more wins from Bernie, he doesn't have a chance, and even back when campaigning started I'm not sure he ever did. I don't think he can steal the candidacy from Hillary. And even if he did, there's factors in Bernie's policies that aren't going to fly well with a lot of Republicans and conservative independents looking for an alternative to Trump.
I think this election is going to be a debacle no matter what happens, and that other countries are looking at us and either laughing, or feeling completely terrified, maybe both.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I like Bernie. I like his policies - he wants to focus on the domestic front, and help reduce some of the squeeze on the middle class, including up and coming members of the middle class who are struggling against the current economic climate and college debt. He is the only one talking about campaign finance reform and corruption. I trust him more than Hillary, and a lot more than Trump.
I have mixed feelings though. I am not afraid of the sort of mixed economy he promotes, but I am concerned how far reaching policies which consolidate can be used by the power hungry and perpetuated even with the pendulum swinging between parties, like the PATRIOT Act. I don't know how economic and social welfare policies can look in the hands of the power hungry when misused, but I can't imagine it's pretty.
Bernie has pie in the sky dreams that I am not sure how he intends to put into action. It's basically going to be up to his advisors, who may help him or screw him over, and it's going to be up to congress, which can take a good idea and tack on so many additions that it will look like an abomination, no matter which party is the majority.
I'm also unsure about what will happen with Israel with Bernie, but then every candidate feels the pressure from that corner.
Part of me thinks Bernie is the best chance we have for someone not corrupt and insane in the office. Part of me thinks even if we do elect him (or even Trump), it won't matter, because it's other factors that are controlling the future of our society.
And part of me thinks despite the recent wins, and despite me wanting to see more wins from Bernie, he doesn't have a chance, and even back when campaigning started I'm not sure he ever did. I don't think he can steal the candidacy from Hillary. And even if he did, there's factors in Bernie's policies that aren't going to fly well with a lot of Republicans and conservative independents looking for an alternative to Trump.
I think this election is going to be a debacle no matter what happens, and that other countries are looking at us and either laughing, or feeling completely terrified, maybe both.
Sometimes I wonder.
At what point will the history books decide: THAT was the first insane President.
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I think we've always given Presidents a lot of leeway in not calling them insane when they were. I mean Lincoln's wife used to do seances in the whitehouse for their dead son and Lincoln allowed it.
But if you ask me, I think the first president we will publicly recognize as insane will be an as yet unknown crazy cat lady.
The secret service will perform security detail for all 50 of them, and the UN meetings where she throws her pets at other world leaders will be a hoot.
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Quote:If trump wins, it'll be this year.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sometimes I wonder.
At what point will the history books decide: THAT was the first insane President.
Others have been crappy, and even downright evil, but Trump is a certifiable narcissist.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:If trump wins, it'll be this year.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sometimes I wonder.
At what point will the history books decide: THAT was the first insane President.
Others have been crappy, and even downright evil, but Trump is a certifiable narcissist.
Those same things were said about Slick Willy, the First Black President - and also Obama, the Second Black President.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I think we've always given Presidents a lot of leeway in not calling them insane when they were. I mean Lincoln's wife used to do seances in the whitehouse for their dead son and Lincoln allowed it.
But if you ask me, I think the first president we will publicly recognize as insane will be an as yet unknown crazy cat lady.
The secret service will perform security detail for all 50 of them, and the UN meetings where she throws her pets at other world leaders will be a hoot.
Most people who have risen to the top have quarks of one kind or another. And it is also true that they have risen to the top because of something extraordinary about themselves. Usually family members are of the common breed. Some actually are nuts.
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