Processed food IS killing us, pt 2.
POSTED BY: Wishimay
UPDATED: Friday, November 4, 2016 12:12
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3037305/Prostate-cancer-brea
kthrough-test-flags-aggressive-form-disease.html
The new breakthrough centers on the discovery of a protein which, when it combines naturally with phosphates in the body, seemed to activate genes that speed up the growth of tumours.
Soft drinks, soda drinks, especially cola or coke and fizzy lemonade
Cordials/fruit syrup beverages
Chocolate, lollies, sweets, candy, and anything else with a high citric acid and sugar content
Ice-cream
Skim milk powder (often added to processed foods)
Biscuits, cookies, cakes from the supermarket
Tomato ketchup
Mayonnaise
Fish fingers
Processed cheese, especially soft cheese spread
Frozen pizzas
Hot dogs
Processed meats
Baking powder and self-raising flour often contains phosphate aerator
Avoid all foods that list as an ingredient mineral salts, emulsifiers and lecithin.
Egg yolks
Milk
Nuts
Wheat germ
Soybeans and their by-products
Peas
Beans
Lentils
Corn
Mushrooms
Oats
Cocoa beans (chocolate)
Sweet breads - liver, brains, kidneys
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Really has me wondering if I have a problem with phosphates, not sulfites, because the nuts and eggs are on this list, and with my extreme family history of cancer....
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Another day, another bitch, moan, and groan fest from the fat miserable self-absorbed psycho drama princess Wishimaydie.
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Well ... your body needs phosphate. It's part of the basic currency of chemical cell energy, used to build tissue, move, generate heat, run your immune system etc.
The basic energy molecule is ATP which stands for adenosine triphosphate.
As your body releases energy from food it adds it to ADP - adenosine diphosphate - by adding an extra phosphate on and creating the high-energy ATP. Then the ATP is carried to wherever energy is needed. As that one phosphate comes off the ATP the energy is released and transferred to where it's needed - joining amino acids to make proteins; releasing the actin-myosin bond, moving actin and myosin filaments and reattaching them causing movement; breaking down in water to create heat etc.
Without phosphate you are cold, motionless, stiff, rotting - dead.
That's not to say that phosphate added to food isn't a problem. Life requires a balance of basic ingredients within a working range. When you go outside of that range your physiology works to compensate for that. But as you drive your metabolism towards extremes, you can create secondary problems that over time end up as disease - high blood pressure, diabetes, coronary artery disease, cancer etc.
But, given the necessity of a ubiquitous presence of phosphate throughout every cell in the body, I don't think that the /phosphate added to food - prostate cancer/ link is a direct one.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Another day, another bitch
Shh, the adults are talking Jongsie, why don't you go play in the street like a good... whatever you are...
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I just think it's funny that Jongsie is so thoroughly soused so early. Things must be going well. Not.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
But, given the necessity of a ubiquitous presence of phosphate throughout every cell in the body, I don't think that the /phosphate added to food - prostate cancer/ link is a direct one.
-Yes, but like sulfites (which are needed for connective tissue repair) both have been added to foods in massive amounts and who would know if they are overdosing on this stuff daily? You can overdose on water, salt, iron, ect and it can be fatal, so I'm sure overdosing on sulfites and phosphates can have just as serious complications.
PS I think the article was mainly referring to people with fast growing cancers, not everyone in general...
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
thoroughly soused so early.
Is THAT why it does that??? Well, makes more sense then. I don't think he/she came down from last nights' bender if that's the case...
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Oh I agree that there's such a thing as too much of anything. Even too much water can be fatal in the short-term. Food additives in general aren't short-term toxins at the concentrations they're used though. It'd be hard to sell your pastrami if large numbers of people were dying after a sandwich. No, the additives work insidiously over the long-term.
I did a quick search on the body's active phosphate balancing, or phosphate homeostasis. There's a lot that isn't known specifically about the role of the gut for example. But when it comes to dumping excess, that's the job of the kidneys. And phosphate is ubiquitous in food - it would sort of have to be. Everything we eat was alive once, and has its own load of phosphate from ATP, ADP, and other sources. So the body is pretty adept at getting rid of excess, because that's the normal state of things. But having a large excess isn't something that I think would be healthy over the long-term, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
All that assumes your phosphate physiology is normal. If it's not, then that's a whole different topic.
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Another day, another bitch, moan, and groan fest from the fat miserable self-absorbed psycho drama princess Wishimaydie.
Fuck you and your little dog Kiko too.
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I like food that's been fried in fat.
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Not mentioned above, the name of the protein is Runx2. It is not listed on food labeling, but found through testing.
The sidebar article also mentions the 98% accuracy in dogs smelling whether a person has cancer or not - excellent detection system.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The sidebar article also mentions the 98% accuracy in dogs smelling whether a person has cancer or not - excellent detection system.
I still think that has to do with acidity levels...
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Originally posted by whozit:
I like food that's been fried in fat.
Well, yer brainz aready been done fried, so mebbe dat's whys it seems familliars-like?
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The only one that would really bug me, believe it or not- is PEAS.
Love the damn things. I take a bag of frozen peas and a couple pats of butter and sea salt and we chow down. One of my favorite foods, really...
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I went to the dentist today to get a filling re-cast and I asked if the stuff he usually uses has sulfites in it (it's always taken ten minutes to work and I never get totally numb, and then am nauseous for HOURS afterward)
and he went and got the ingredient sheet off his desk.. SURE ENOUGH..
Sodium metabisulfite!
So he went and got another one he has called articaine, and it was like a dental miracle happened!
I was totally numb within seconds, didn't feel a thing, and it already wearing off! I can't believe the difference!!
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The sidebar article also mentions the 98% accuracy in dogs smelling whether a person has cancer or not - excellent detection system.
I still think that has to do with acidity levels...
98% accurate if the person HAS cancer.
98% accurate if the person DOES NOT have cancer.
Regardless of HOW, or the mechanism, that is some seriously useful evaluation, and practically instantaneous.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3037305/Prostate-cancer-brea
kthrough-test-flags-aggressive-form-disease.html
The new breakthrough centers on the discovery of a protein which, when it combines naturally with phosphates in the body, seemed to activate genes that speed up the growth of tumours.
Soft drinks, soda drinks, especially cola or coke and fizzy lemonade
Cordials/fruit syrup beverages
Chocolate, lollies, sweets, candy, and anything else with a high citric acid and sugar content
Ice-cream
Skim milk powder (often added to processed foods)
Mayonnaise
Baking powder and self-raising flour often contains phosphate aerator
Egg yolks
Milk
Nuts
Wheat germ
Soybeans and their by-products
Peas
Beans
Lentils
Corn
Mushrooms
Oats
Cocoa beans (chocolate)
Sweet breads - liver, brains, kidneys
Salty:
Biscuits, cookies, cakes from the supermarket
Tomato ketchup
Fish fingers
Processed cheese, especially soft cheese spread
Frozen pizzas
Hot dogs
Processed meats
Avoid all foods that list as an ingredient mineral salts, emulsifiers and lecithin.
Looks like half of that list is salt.
Mushrooms seens unusual - isn't there some benefits to eating shrooms?
Liver bread? Brain bread? Kidney bread?
And remember "processed meats" includes almost everything at a deli or sub sandwich shop. Unless it is fresh meat (you killed it yourself or saw it killed) or you got it frozen, it is a known carcinogen. Like chicken or turkey, like on a sandwich - just keep buying them frozen, and cooking them at home, cutting them up for your food.
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Hey there Wish
Some local anesthetics have vaso-constrictors in them. They keep the cardiovascular system from washing the anesthetic away, and so prolong its effect. I wonder if they also keep the anesthetic from spreading through the tissue to reach the place where they work - at the nerve tract.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I wonder if they also keep the anesthetic from spreading through the tissue to reach the place where they work - at the nerve tract.
I just looked up the ingredients and the new one also contains sulfites, so I dunno. I don't know what he usually uses, so I can't compare amounts.
All I know is the new stuff works about a 1000 times better on me...
It could have a different vaso constrictor in it.
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Or none. I've mentioned to my several dentists over the years that I do badly with local anesthetics - pounding racing heart and anxiety ... apparently some mixes use adrenaline as a vasoconstrictor. When they started using injections without the added adrenaline, my 'problem' with getting injections went away.
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Noticed that whacko genetic mutation supporters mostly from CA are whining to Columbia (where none of them are from) that they should not allow Doctor Oz to be on faculty or Board. They complaining that he is not supporting their enthusiastic program for ingesting GMOs nationwide.
https://ca.shine.yahoo.com/group-of-doctors-asks-columbia-university-t
o-fire-dr--oz-125444163.html
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The letter tries - and imo, fails - to make a 'case' against Oz. "As described here and here, as well as in other publications, Dr. Oz has repeatedly shown disdain for science and for evidence-based medicine, as well as baseless and relentless opposition to the genetic engineering of food crops. Worst of all, he has manifested an egregious lack of integrity by promoting quack treatments and cures in the interest of personal financial gain."
AFAIK Oz has no financial gain from anything he has on his show. But to try and bolster its claims, the letter includes two hot links.
One link provides one specific example regarding arsenic in apple juice. Its criticisms are well-founded. Because, while Dr Oz is not a charlatan, he's no chemist either. The FDA's criticisms center around two things:
http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/28528
FDA Slams 'Dr. Oz' for Apple Juice Report
1) ... Oz's testing methods ... provided a level of total arsenic in the juices. The results do not provide a breakdown of the levels of the two forms of arsenic -- organic and inorganic. ... The organic form of arsenic is "essentially harmless," according to the FDA. The inorganic form can cause problems at high levels or with a long period of exposure.
2) Also ... the FDA had performed its own testing on samples of apple juice from the same lot that yielded the highest level of arsenic in Dr. Oz's investigation. All of the results ranged from 2 ppb to 6 ppb, well under the 36 ppb that the lab Dr Oz used got. In ALL labs I personally know about, whenever there's a concerning result, the laboratory goes through extra steps to validate the result. That's not mentioned here, so I suspect that didn't happen. And generally, whenever two different labs get two different results, they usually get together and show each other the original procedural notes and instrumental results to resolve what happened. That also doesn't look like it happened here.
The other link is to an article from Slate, one of whose authors is the same Henry I. Miller of the Hoover Inst. and author and primary signatory of the letter - who cites --- himself. Aside from the fact that this is starting to look like a focused effort by a pro-business 'policy' wonk to discredit Oz; his own article that he cites in support of himself is on very shaky ground from beginning to end.
It uses phrases like the proposed commercialization of this new variety was met with unconscionable, irresponsible, and lengthy regulatory delays and egregiously misleading arguments like ... nationwide polls suggested that up to 80 percent of Americans want labels on foods that contain DNA. It then goes on to ridicule this argument Like many antagonists of genetic engineering, Honeycutt attempted to demonize glyphosate ....
WAIT. Would that be the same glyphosate WHO has deemed is a 'probable carcinogen'? Why, yes, it would be.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/widely-used-herbicide-linked
-to-cancer/
And, FWIW from the letter I counted 5 signatories from California, including two from the ultra-conservative pro-business Hoover Institution; 1 from Florida, 1 from New York, 1 from New Jersey, 1 from Kansas, and 1 from North Carolina. Only half are from California, which, in normal English, doesn't mean 'mostly' from CA.
regarding two of the signatories, including the author:
Henry I. Miller, M.D.
Robert Wesson Fellow in Scientific Philosophy & Public Policy - Hoover Institution S
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It has nothing to do with anything, but I can't STAND to watch Dr. Oz speak, his mouth moves like the yip-yop monsters from Sesame St.
And then I get an image of him drooling and incontinent in my head.
Don't ask me why, I dunno. 
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I tape him but I watch like this: skip ahead 1 minute enough times to figure out what the topic is; if it's of interest I listen while I do something else like laundry or dishes; if not I keep skipping forward until I either reach an interesting topic, or I get to the end.
He recently had a segment about near death experiences, which, by all accounts, I've had something similar to, twice.* Either that, or they were like what the Indians had when they went on a vision quest. So, what he has on, and what interests me, sometimes coincide.
* I've also had a vision experience that sounds similar to St Paul, and a time where I just knew an unknowable fact. And a time where my right brain told me an answer to a problem in a flash of inspiration, and showed me a vision of the nerve tracts along which it happened, which looked, amazingly, exactly like currently available images of fluorescent tracts people have bioengineered in rodent brains to study learning.
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I had my tonsils removed when I was six, and I distinctly remember floating above the bed looking at myself.
Brains is funny things.
I've had dozens of really clear deje vu kinda feelings, only I couldn't have done them before I had the feeling, for most of them...
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Brains ARE funny things. I think these experiences aren't necessarily what people say they are - a product of the supernatural, for example - but for me they've all been associated with knowing things I 'shouldn't' be able to know. Given that they relate things about the real world that test out true - I wonder about the neurological processes involved. And then, they also relate things about the nature of life, time, and distance which feel profound and just as real as the information about the physical world. And if one type of information tests true, it FEELS like it gives support for the other type of information being true as well.
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Better yet, go eat a ton of processed food..................please, pretty please with sugar on top. STFU
SGG
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Another day, another bitch
Shh, the adults are talking Jongsie, why don't you go play in the street like a good... whatever you are...
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Quote:The article only talks abut prostate cancer. WISH, I think that maybe prostate cancer isn't your most pressing problem.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3037305/Prostate-cancer-brea
kthrough-test-flags-aggressive-form-disease.html
The new breakthrough centers on the discovery of a protein which, when it combines naturally with phosphates in the body, seemed to activate genes that speed up the growth of tumours.
And what does this list have to do with cancer?
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Soft drinks, soda drinks, especially cola or coke and fizzy lemonade
Cordials/fruit syrup beverages
Chocolate, lollies, sweets, candy, and anything else with a high citric acid and sugar content
Ice-cream
Skim milk powder (often added to processed foods)
Biscuits, cookies, cakes from the supermarket
Tomato ketchup
Mayonnaise
Fish fingers
Processed cheese, especially soft cheese spread
Frozen pizzas
Hot dogs
Processed meats
Baking powder and self-raising flour often contains phosphate aerator
Avoid all foods that list as an ingredient mineral salts, emulsifiers and lecithin.
Egg yolks
Milk
Nuts
Wheat germ
Soybeans and their by-products
Peas
Beans
Lentils
Corn
Mushrooms
Oats
Cocoa beans (chocolate)
Sweet breads - liver, brains, kidneys
I look at good nutrition as being close to what we evolved with, because there are some nutritional requirements that you can't get around. And this list reminds of the list that vegans put out. Meat is the ONLY source of B12, and you need B12 to live. So the vegan list is suspect.
I look at this other list and I see two things on it that (between the two of them) are the BEST sources of a vital nutrient. And just like the vegan list, the fact that it crosses off the only two sources of a vital nutrient makes the entire list suspect. BTW- The nutrient is choline, and the two best sources are liver and egg yolks. And I have a hunch that our ancestors ate bird eggs, and never turned down a nice chunk of liver (when they could get it) or bone marrow.
So, what is the purpose of the list? What is it attempting to avoid?
If it's attempting to avoid phosphate, then (as KIKI said) there is phosphate in everything that was once living. Which is pretty much everything that people eat.
I know that some people can't process certain amino acids, others can't tolerate certain minerals. For still yet others, certain types of fat are death. Certain types of fiber appear to give some people IBS. And sugar is prolly bad for almost everyone. But who is this list for, and what is it trying to do?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The article only talks abut prostate cancer. WISH, I think that maybe prostate cancer isn't your most pressing problem.
Well, for one, there is a history of fast growing tumors in my family. We're up to about a dozen in three generations. And we're talking about the kind of fast growing tumors that get you dead in less than six months. There are a lotta guys that live with prostate cancer for years and years, but the men in my family do not. There has been a LOT of research lately
that shows direct causal links between a father having cancer and the female children, not the male children as you would think. Which I think would relate to the studies in Norway (I think it was) that found that in times of famine a man that is affected can pass on weaker genes to the female children even up to several generations later.
So, yes, I do believe it affects me. Also, I take after my dad. I even have a deeper voice than most women do, so I know his genetics affect non-typical female traits.
The list was showing foods that are high in phosphates that should be avoided if you have a tumor and/or a family history of fast growing tumors.
For those people, phosphates should be avoided as much as possible.
As I always say, there IS NO UNIFORM DIET FOR EVERYONE. YOU have to follow the clues in research and do what you think is best for you.
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WISH, the study was about fast-growing PROSTATE tumors. It's so limited in its application, there is no indication that every (or even many) other tumors over-express this particular protein (runx2, runx3), or that limiting phosphate would slow or prevent growth of (a possibly very small subset of) tumors which over-express runt protein in the first place.
Just doing a quick study on runt and its variants runx2 and runx3, the normal function of runt protein is bone formation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUNX2
In CERTAIN tumors (breast, prostate, metastasize aggressively to bone)
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This skeletal transcription factor is aberrantly expressed at high levels in breast and prostate tumors and cells that aggressively metastasize to the bone environment.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17165130
Does this describe your family history: breast cancer, prostate cancer, or cancers which aggressively metastasized to the bone? If not (if you have a family hx of neurofibroma, for example) then runx2 is most likely not at play. Because don't forget, there are OTHER factors which OTHER cancers make use of to grow and metastasize, runt (or runx2, runx3 etc) are not the holy grail of tumor formation or spread.
I understand that you're doing your very best to prevent certain diseases from occurring, or to slow down processes which may already be taking place. However, you're taking one thought in one limited area of research, and making several rather large assumptions (one being that limiting phosphate will limit runx2).
I know that you have unique medical challenges. Perhaps this is "the answer" and maybe you're really on to something here (at least in your case) but, based on what you've said so far, the evidence seems lacking. But I'm willing to think thru your situation with you, if you're willing to share.
Also, I would quibble about the title, since many of the foods on your list are quite natural.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The letter tries - and imo, fails - to make a 'case' against Oz. "As described here and here, as well as in other publications, Dr. Oz has repeatedly shown disdain for science and for evidence-based medicine, as well as baseless and relentless opposition to the genetic engineering of food crops. Worst of all, he has manifested an egregious lack of integrity by promoting quack treatments and cures in the interest of personal financial gain."
AFAIK Oz has no financial gain from anything he has on his show. But to try and bolster its claims, the letter includes two hot links.
One link provides one specific example regarding arsenic in apple juice. Its criticisms are well-founded. Because, while Dr Oz is not a charlatan, he's no chemist either. The FDA's criticisms center around two things:
http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/28528
FDA Slams 'Dr. Oz' for Apple Juice Report
1) ... Oz's testing methods ... provided a level of total arsenic in the juices. The results do not provide a breakdown of the levels of the two forms of arsenic -- organic and inorganic. ... The organic form of arsenic is "essentially harmless," according to the FDA. The inorganic form can cause problems at high levels or with a long period of exposure.
2) Also ... the FDA had performed its own testing on samples of apple juice from the same lot that yielded the highest level of arsenic in Dr. Oz's investigation. All of the results ranged from 2 ppb to 6 ppb, well under the 36 ppb that the lab Dr Oz used got. In ALL labs I personally know about, whenever there's a concerning result, the laboratory goes through extra steps to validate the result. That's not mentioned here, so I suspect that didn't happen. And generally, whenever two different labs get two different results, they usually get together and show each other the original procedural notes and instrumental results to resolve what happened. That also doesn't look like it happened here.
The other link is to an article from Slate, one of whose authors is the same Henry I. Miller of the Hoover Inst. and author and primary signatory of the letter - who cites --- himself. Aside from the fact that this is starting to look like a focused effort by a pro-business 'policy' wonk to discredit Oz; his own article that he cites in support of himself is on very shaky ground from beginning to end.
It uses phrases like the proposed commercialization of this new variety was met with unconscionable, irresponsible, and lengthy regulatory delays and egregiously misleading arguments like ... nationwide polls suggested that up to 80 percent of Americans want labels on foods that contain DNA. It then goes on to ridicule this argument Like many antagonists of genetic engineering, Honeycutt attempted to demonize glyphosate ....
WAIT. Would that be the same glyphosate WHO has deemed is a 'probable carcinogen'? Why, yes, it would be.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/widely-used-herbicide-linked
-to-cancer/
And, FWIW from the letter I counted 5 signatories from California, including two from the ultra-conservative pro-business Hoover Institution; 1 from Florida, 1 from New York, 1 from New Jersey, 1 from Kansas, and 1 from North Carolina. Only half are from California, which, in normal English, doesn't mean 'mostly' from CA.
regarding two of the signatories, including the author:
Henry I. Miller, M.D.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I had my tonsils removed when I was six, and I distinctly remember floating above the bed looking at myself.
Brains is funny things.
were you afraid of using more than 10% of your brain? Or were others frightened or jealous or threatened by your abilities?
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I've had dozens of really clear deje vu kinda feelings, only I couldn't have done them before I had the feeling, for most of them...
Did your OBE and Deja Vu continue into adulthood? Or did somebody find some drugs to stop your ESP? Did you have other forms of Sensory Perception beyond the accepted 5? Other psychic phenomenon?
Have you seen the film Suspect Zero? And the "demonstration" in the bonus features on the DVD?
Have you ever tried to perform Technical Remote Viewing?
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Let's get back to your original post, and not the one you now want to pretend you posted:
Noticed that whacko genetic mutation supporters mostly from CA are whining to Columbia (where none of them are from) that they should not allow Doctor Oz to be on faculty or Board. They complaining that he is not supporting their enthusiastic program for ingesting GMOs nationwide.
And now I'll parse your current ass-covering.
I was hurried and did not count the signatories.
But not too hurried to form and express a fallacious opinion.
I thought the subject might be of interest to those viewing this thread, and I had not seen it mentioned prior.
And in addition you just couldn't resist trolling! "whacko genetic mutation supporters mostly from CA" You COULD have simply posted the subject in case it was of interest to those viewing this thread. But you didn't. So, that trolling - that was the main point of your post - wasn't it? C'mon, dish. It's just us girls here.
I am not a supporter of Big Pharma, Big Government, Big Corn, Big Injustice, Big Death Sentence, or Big Debt. Those can be supported by ... the GOP liberals and RINOs.
Because the Hoover Institution is secretly liberal? You post a lot of crap that no one believes just to pretend you aren't wrong, don't you?
You would not find me surprised if the same signatories, or other similar lackies had also signed letters supporting Global Warming, and whining about real scientists pointing out the holes of their Global Warming religion.
Junk Science has risen to the top.
And still MORE unfounded, fact-free opinion!
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Anybody read this blog?
http://www.badscience.net/
An interesting one. Very critical of medical research, particularly how it is treated in the media but not a wacky conspiracy theorist either.
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I am not a supporter of Big Pharma, Big Government, Big Corn, Big Injustice, Big Death Sentence, or Big Debt. Those can be supported by the libtards and also the GOP liberals and RINOs.
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Does this describe your family history: breast cancer, prostate cancer, or cancers which aggressively metastasized to the bone?
Well, since dad died of aggressive prostate cancer, mom has breast cancer now, and my great grandpa died of a bone cancer... Not to mention brain tumors, ovarian, leukemia, and an oral cancer.... Am I missing any? Who knows what the hell I have. All I know is my people hit sixty and die horribly while each generation gets told again and again "Oh, well, you'll be OK. Treatment is sooo much better now."
Yeah.... riiiiight.
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I don't know what I would do if I had your family history. Though my entire paternal side of the family is on another continent and I know nothing about them, so perhaps I share half that misfortune, and I just don't know about it.
I remember reading years ago that breast cancer and prostate cancer seem to share the same susceptibility, so for example the son of a woman with breast cancer has a greater chance of prostate cancer, the daughter of a man with prostate cancer has a greater chance of having breast cancer. Are you able to get yourself genetically tested for the brca1 and brca2 genes? it might give you a definitives heads-up. Those mutations also seem to increase the odds of ovarian cancer.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/causes-prevention/genetics/brca-fac
t-sheet
Redheads have a far greater chance of melanoma, even without damaging sun exposure. BOTH redheads I know personally who got a lot of exposure in their youth here in So Cal developed multiple melanomas by the age of 45 - but they were all caught early and both people have been cancer free for over 15 years since.
Anyway - I'm not trying to be dismissive, but I need to attend to something now. I hope to get back to this topic specifically about leukemia susceptibility later.
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Other psychic phenomenon?
I think the word "psychic" gets overused a bit. A LOT of what goes on in a brain is just a mystery.
I've definitely had moments I couldn't explain (like that dream about the dog biting me and then it did), but it doesn't really affect anything or change anything. I've had a few deja vu's that gave me a sense of calm, like that's what I was supposed to be doing.
I do see weird things in my head when I look at people. There was a guy on a commercial a few years ago and every time I looked at him I saw crying children, like he was a pedophile or something.
I like to think my subconscious just recognizes patterns that I'm not aware of, and then it throws me pictures that are in my memory.
PS I will say the day my grandpa died, my mom and I were on a vacation and she kept saying she needed to find a phone and call home, and it sure wasn't in her character to do that, and she didn't have a reason for doing it at the time...
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
...so for example the son of a woman with breast cancer has a greater chance of prostate cancer, the daughter of a man with prostate cancer has a greater chance of having breast cancer.
Are you able to get yourself genetically tested for the brca1 and brca2 genes?
That's what I was trying to say, yeah.
Mom has Brca2 -there's two kinds of it- she has the more fatal kind that only 15% of brca 2 sufferers have, and I believe the five year survival rate is 35%
At this point, it's numbers. "Balance of Probability" is something I say a lot, because -like Spock- I believe in the numbers. My numbers aren't good, so there is no point in paying for expensive tests to tell me my numbers aren't good. I already know that.
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Well, unless your mom has a double-dose, there's a 50% chance your genes are perfectly OK.
I work with someone that has Alzheimer's on both sides of the grandparent generation. I was curious if he was interested in getting tested for the APOE4 gene - neither, single dose, or double dose. Three years later he hasn't decided afaik. I'm not sure what I would do if it looked like there might be a genetic test relevant to me. I think I might get my affairs in order to plan for the potentialities, then live my cleanest most healthful life possible, but not get tested until/ unless there was a possible course of action available to me.
When it comes to the brca genes, there's preventative mastectomy and hysterectomy, or extra vigilant testing.
But I have to say Wish - and I know easier said than done - but perhaps there's a way you can dial down your stress response. For decades I was deeply stressed by the serious illnesses in beloved family members and it wrecked my health. But now, in hindsight, I can say that all of that time and emotion and thought spent stressing did absolutely ZERO good. Sure, I also worked and studied and responded to make things better as best I could - and I like to think it was fruitful. But stressing itself? Not a good move. Focus on getting done what you can, not agonizing over what's beyond your control. And since stress is deeply destructive to health, I also think reducing your stress might improve your overall chances for a long and healthful life, which would be a good thing, and something I would 'wish' for you. :)
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I get a publication called The Scientist that focuses on biological/ ecological/ medical science. It's free for the asking. If you wish you could sign up for it, if you need some application information let me know and I can provide it to you. They published the results of a study in which researchers went back and re-analyzed drug-test studies where unpublished data was available for re-examination. It turned out that the results weren't as one-way as one might think. The 'hidden' studies were equally likely to support the drug as not.
However, that whole issue of biased research in all areas not just medical --- and over-hyped results, probability fishing, irreproducibility, publication 'impact factors', intellectual property constraints, severely reduced funding, revised US patent laws, research fraud ... and worst of all - the inability to publish negative results - is getting serious attention across the board. I deeply hope that needed change comes from this.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3037305/Prostate-cancer-brea
kthrough-test-flags-aggressive-form-disease.html
The new breakthrough centers on the discovery of a protein which, when it combines naturally with phosphates in the body, seemed to activate genes that speed up the growth of tumours.
Soft drinks, soda drinks, especially cola or coke and fizzy lemonade
Cordials/fruit syrup beverages
Chocolate, lollies, sweets, candy, and anything else with a high citric acid and sugar content
Ice-cream
Skim milk powder (often added to processed foods)
Biscuits, cookies, cakes from the supermarket
Tomato ketchup
Mayonnaise
Fish fingers
Processed cheese, especially soft cheese spread
Frozen pizzas
Hot dogs
Processed meats
These are all processed foods. Should be kept to minimal or, if you have chronic health issues, avoided.
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Egg yolks
Milk
Nuts
Wheat germ
Soybeans and their by-products
Peas
Beans
Lentils
Corn
Mushrooms
Oats
Cocoa beans (chocolate)
Sweet breads - liver, brains, kidneys
These are not processed, or not necessarily processed, but I'd give the sweet breads a miss. Yock.
If your health is really bad, I can recommend you give Joel Furhman's Eat to Live diet a try. It's only 6 weeks, but he has a recommended way to eat regularly as well. It's basically lots and lots of greens and fruit, no meat, no dairy, limited protein and a few wholegrains. It's hard going, but I did feel AMAZING afterwards.
http://lowfatveganchef.com/eat-to-live-program-by-dr-fuhrman-overview/
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
When it comes to the brca genes, there's preventative mastectomy and hysterectomy, or extra vigilant testing.
But I have to say Wish - and I know easier said than done - but perhaps there's a way you can dial down your stress response.
Won't be chopped up, thanks. I actually think the blood clot problem I had started when I had my gallbladder out years ago, don't think more surgeries would be good for me.
I don't know what made you think I was stressed about my DNA. I'm not. I'm interested in the research aspect because I like a good puzzler, but I gave up the idea I could ever be better again YEARS AGO. And believe me, no one knows better than I do that it could totally be worse.
I'm finally feeling better about my recent brush with mortality though. Not quite as panicked anymore. Just takes time.
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Quote:Your lack of knowledge about B 12 and vegans is suspect.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I look at good nutrition as being close to what we evolved with, because there are some nutritional requirements that you can't get around. And this list reminds of the list that vegans put out. Meat is the ONLY source of B12, and you need B12 to live. So the vegan list is suspect.
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There is SUPPLEMENTAL B12. But the only FOOD source of B12 comes from the flesh of animals ('animals' as in the biological classification - not plants, bacteria, fungi, archae etc) and which includes fish, crustaceans, birds, insects etc.
ETA: To extend this information some: it's the protists that make B12. But it's awfully hard for us to stay alive eating protists out there in the natural world. They're so small, and so dispersed. OTOH there are small things that eat the protists, and slightly less small things that eat the small things ... and so on down the line (or up the chain, whichever speaks to you) till you get to fish, that have concentrated all that vitally important B12 in a form we can eat. And there are the ruminants - animals with multiple stomachs - that have bacteria that digest the vegetation, and then they in turn digest the bacteria along with their B12. There are the non-ruminant ungulates - hoofed animals - that eat protists as they graze, and have a healthy set of bacteria in their vegetation-eating evolved digestive tracts that churn out B12 they then absorb. There are small bugs that eat protists, and larger bugs that eat smaller bugs ... and birds that eat the larger bugs and their store of B12.
Humans are not designed to eat primarily vegetation. Our teeth wear down and don't grow back, our guts are too short to maintain a life-sustaining set of vegetation-eating bacteria, and too fragile for the volume of roughage.
OTOH as primates we need vitamin C which is only found in plants, not animals. (A trait shared only with guinea pigs. Everything else - dogs, cats, chickens - makes its own vitamin C.)
In the natural world, without the aid of modern technology, we are evolved as OBLIGATE omnivores. We MUST eat BOTH plants and animals to get nutrients we need to keep ourselves alive.
But evolution is an odd thing. As we evolved, the diet we grew up with and the environment we lived in shaped other requirements as well. We need a tremendous amount of iodine compared with more inland animals. We need omega-three fatty acids found in fish - a whopping grams per day - for normal brain function. We need the amino acid taurine also found in fish for good cardiac health. We need choline, found in eggs, brains and eyes, kidneys, bone marrow and other areas with physiologically active fats (as opposed to storage or 'depot' fat). And humans are the only animal with endemic cystic fibrosis genes - a trait minimized by breathing air laden with saltwater. Humans aren't built for extreme activity either - it spikes cortisol and starts a destructive biochemical cascade - but constant low level activity is healthful, as is swimming at any level. And we're built for a modest level of food intake, as well as occasional fasting.
Anyway, I don't think we can know all the particular factors on which life and health depend. We might try to recreate some things artificially. I don't think we're going to get them all. The answer, I think, is to stay as close to our evolutionary circumstances as possible.
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I was referring to stress over any kind of life event, not stress over bad genetics in particular. I guess I wasn't clear.
I personally have always been stress-prone. But looking back on things, I can't say that it helped any situation, and it definitely took a toll on my health. If I could go back I would try to cultivate a different response.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I had my tonsils removed when I was six, and I distinctly remember floating above the bed looking at myself.
Brains is funny things.
were you afraid of using more than 10% of your brain? Or were others frightened or jealous or threatened by your abilities?Quote:
I've had dozens of really clear deje vu kinda feelings, only I couldn't have done them before I had the feeling, for most of them...
Did your OBE and Deja Vu continue into adulthood? Or did somebody find some drugs to stop your ESP? Did you have other forms of Sensory Perception beyond the accepted 5? Other psychic phenomenon?
I am trying to convey a concept here, the idea. You may substitute whatever terms you prefer, or which you feel more comfortable with.
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Have you seen the film Suspect Zero? And the "demonstration" in the bonus features on the DVD?
Have you ever tried to perform Technical Remote Viewing?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The article only talks abut prostate cancer. WISH, I think that maybe prostate cancer isn't your most pressing problem.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3037305/Prostate-cancer-brea
kthrough-test-flags-aggressive-form-disease.html
The new breakthrough centers on the discovery of a protein which, when it combines naturally with phosphates in the body, seemed to activate genes that speed up the growth of tumours.
The main article also mentions the protein accelerating the spread of cancer to other parts of the body.
And the side article mentions detection in bladder cancer as well.
No need to pretend that various cancers are not related in any way.
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The main article also mentions the protein accelerating the spread of cancer to other parts of the body.
And the side article mentions detection in bladder cancer as well.
No need to pretend that various cancers are not related in any way.
Side article:
DOGS CAN SNIFF OUT PROSTATE CANCER WITH 98% ACCURACY
Dogs can sniff out prostate cancer with 98 per cent reliability, a new study has shown.
The research, carried out in Milan, backs up tests carried out by the charity Medical Detection Dogs.
Its co-founder Dr Claire Guest said the charity's research found a 93 per cent reliability rate when detecting both prostate and bladder cancer.
She hailed the new study, describing the findings as 'spectacular'.
The latest research, by the Department of Urology at the Humanitas Clinical and Research Centre in Milan, involved two dogs sniffing the urine of 900 men - 360 with prostate cancer and 540 without.
Scientists found that dog one got it right in 98.7 per cent of cases, while for dog two this was 97.6 per cent .
They said the dogs are able to detect prostate cancer specific volatile organic compounds in the urine but said an important question remains of how a dog would find it in daily practice.
This has to do specifically with dogs detecting cancer by sniffing urine.
As USUAL you're so anxious to tear someone down you can't even read straight. Dogs detecting cancer by sniffing urine is not related to the Runx2 gene.
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Wrong, again. Keep trying, tiger.
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Side article:
DOGS CAN SNIFF OUT PROSTATE CANCER WITH 98% ACCURACY
Its co-founder Dr Claire Guest said the charity's research found a 93 per cent reliability rate when detecting both prostate and bladder cancer.
This has to do specifically with dogs detecting cancer by sniffing urine.
Dogs detecting cancer by sniffing urine is not related to the Runx2 gene.
Glad you figured that out. Welcome to the discussion of this thread.
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"No need to pretend that various cancers are not related in any way."
So you're right! There IS no need to PRETEND various cancers are not related - because it's true! There are many cancers that AREN'T related!
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Wrong, again. Keep trying, tiger.
Adequately researched, carefully documented and logically argued! WELL DONE!
lol
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Quote:First of all, the dogs are detecting volatile organic compounds VOCs. I know what those are like and how they behave, because we analyze VOCs in the lab, spend a great deal of time assessing their volatility, and have looked at various electronic noses (e-noses) for their detection. Alas, modern technology is still no match for the sensitivity and specificity of the biological nose (human, dog, bear, or otherwise).
They said the dogs are able to detect prostate cancer specific volatile organic compounds in the urine but said an important question remains of how a dog would find it in daily practice.
But VOCs are NOT proteins. Proteins are NOT volatile. VOCs are smallish compounds that can evaporate out of solution. Proteins are so large they CAN'T evaporate out of solution; that would be like expecting a rock to jump out of a glass of water! Proteins are so large they require specialized analytical equipment. So whatever VOCs the dogs are detecting, they are not detecting the runx2 protein.
Right now, there is no evidence that all cancers share a special compound or process which makes them universally amenable to treatment. I recall the big excitement around thalidomide - that anti-nausea drug which caused a huge cluster of limb defects in the developing fetus. (Babies born with no arms or legs, or flippers instead of limbs etc)
The mechanism for the defect was that thalidomide targets immature blood vessels, and since tumors depend on rapidly-growing blood vessels to feed their runaway development, thalidomide was seen as "the" answer to controlling "all" tumor growth. However, thalidomide proved useful only for cancers originating in blood vessels.
There was also a big hoopla raised when it was found that breast cancers were fueled by estrogen. However, tamoxifen, it turns out, is only successful in treating about half of breast cancers.
There are miracle drugs discovered every year, it seems, that flame out the year after. Runx2 may be just "another" compound which will have specific (but limited) utility in treating cancer.
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I did not say cancers all had the same cause.
Are you saying that when one cancer is treated, it does not return as another cancer, in another area or organ?
Do you know of any cancer which, when treated, has never returned as another cancer, or in another organ?
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I don't think ANY cancer "returns as another cancer". You can either have a recurrence of the same cancer in a different place, or an entirely new cancer.
Let me back up a bit and tell you what I think I know about cells and cell division and cancer.
Each and every cell in your body has all of the genes necessary to re-create your entire body. ALL of the genes are present. So, why don't you grow skin on your heart, or liver in your brain, or a foot on your forehead?
That's because not all genes are active at all times. Most of the genes in your adult cells are turned off, so your adult cells can only do a few things. The only time when all of your genes are potentially active is during embryonic development, when an undifferentiated balls of cells is turning into placenta and umbilical cord and proto-baby.
In fact, if you were to take an adult skin cell and grow it in a petri dish ... provide all of nutrients in a perfectly comfortable environment ... it would live and reproduce itself for a few weeks, and they wold die. In fact, MOST adult cells only divide a dozen times or so before hitting the wall and dying.
But biologists know that your cells are turning over all the time. You replace the lining of your digestive system in less than a month, so how does that work? Clearly, it's not your adult cells that are replacing themselves, those would have died off years ago.
Embedded in each organ are scattered cells which are more primitive than the adult cells, they are STEM CELLS, and they are capable of dividing and reproducing many more times than adult cells. Unlike the stem cells in an embryo, they can't turn into ANYthing (they're not "pluripotent") but they CAN provide you with fresh new adult skin or liver or muscle cells for decades.
Cancer behaves similarly to stem cells. Something in their genetic code has been turned back on, and whatever it was that kept them from reproducing has been disabled. In fact, there is a theory that cancers actually grow from adult stem cells gone awry. Some biologists think that it's a far shorter step to go from stem cell to cancer than from adult (inhibited) cell to cancer. That may be the reason why different cancers seem to have different characteristics, depending on the origin of their cells ... brain cancer derived from glial cells is different from breast cancer which has metastacized to the brain.
Now, if you've had cancer and been treated for it, possibly the treatment has done to the cancer cells what antibiotics do to bacteria- killed off the susceptable cells and selected the hardier ones. So possibly a recurrence of cancer would be harder to treat, and amy have somewhat different characteristics than the origianl cancer. But it wouldn't turn prostate cancer into melanoma, because those would originate from different cell lines.
At least, as far as I understand it.
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I don't think ANY cancer "returns as another cancer".
Cancers can become resistant to treatment. How that happens is a mystery, but DNA replication and division are so sloppy in cancer cells it's thought that additional DNA mix-ups occur. How these resistant cancers are then selected for by treatment seems to happen the same way antibiotic resistance happens with bacteria - the susceptible cells die off, while the resistant ones continue on.
So when the cancer comes back, it's a modified version of the original cancer, but it's not a 'different' cancer.
But it is possible for someone to have two different cancers at the same time, or in succession, and to be cured of one only to succumb to another.
Also, cancers can 'metastasize' which means they travel and create offspring tumors in other areas of the same organ, or nearby tissues, or other distant tissues. So for example, a prostate cancer may create offspring tumors in the same prostate gland without going outside of the anatomical/ biological bounds of that gland - which is called 'in situ' - in place. Or it may erode the prostate capsule and create tumors in nearby tissues. Or it may travel more widely through the body and create tumors in the bone for example.
BTW, Signy, thanks for explaining the difference between a volatile compound and a protein. I just couldn't bring myself to type yet more explanations on the same topic.
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Just as an aside - I find it mind-boggling that 'people' in general know such a small amount of basic information. I don't know what to attribute that to. It's not like people are stupid. It's not like they're uninterested. And it's not like they're too lazy to bother trying to learn.
Is it a failure of the education system - is it unable to present this information in a coherent, understandable way that gives people the tools to think about things in the future? Is it a problem with our media - pandering to the most incoherent explanations and preying on self-interest to boost ratings? Have people become so jaded by those with an agenda that they refuse to listen to any 'authority'? Are the 'scientists' to blame for failing to reach out to the public?
I think of course that those with beliefs they need to maintain will NEVER succumb to mere reality. Facts be damned when they have 'the truth'. And this holds for science and global warming as much as it does for politics and whether or not Obama is Kenyan.
But here is a topic that - presumably - doesn't have an agenda attached to it. It's basic biology with a dash of practical experience with medicine. And - presumably - most people know someone who's had cancer. When the doctor says it's 'in situ', or metastasized, or has reoccurred, or is in remission - do they not explain what that means?
I truly don't understand the basic misconceptions there seem to be.
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TPTB have no interest in "the great unwashed" being well-founded in logic and observation, because
1) Knowledgable people aren't swayed by advertizing.
2) Reasonable people aren't swayed by politicians' promises, or by their fear-mongering.
3) Well-grounded people understand that the information coming to them is selected by the intentions/financial interests of the people who pass it on.
Also, in the USA, there is a great disrespect for knowledge, and even the idea of reality. Wasn't it Cheney who said something like "We don't need to understand reality, we make it"? And then there's the famous "Well, that's your reality". Hate to tell everyone this, but there's only reality and it would be a good idea if we made an attempt to understand it!
And unfortunately, doctors and scientists tend to behave like a priesthood. So they fail to explain things in relevant terms, and tend to get annoyed when people ask questions. But science is a METHOD, not a series of facts, and should certainly be able to withstand honest questions!
With all of the financial and authority interests lined up against honest information, it's no wonder we have a scarcity. And all kinds of suppositions spring up in the absence of honest information.
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An article for JSF,,,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3064103/Brain-scans-rev
eal-happens-body-experience-Event-causes-place-cells-trigger-person-s-built-GPS.html
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This is awesome! Despite all the events I've had, I've never had an out-of-body experience. It looks like anyone could have one with this set-up. I'd definitely like to try that!
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
An article for JSF,,,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3064103/Brain-scans-rev
eal-happens-body-experience-Event-causes-place-cells-trigger-person-s-built-GPS.html
That looks to conform with known parameters for hypoxia, remote technical viewing, "psychic" viewing, but the mechanics used are the vision to make the connection, whereas the others find that vision is the distraction.
Doesn't really seem to explain the OBE outside the body's line-of-sight, or listening to their doctors in far away rooms, or visiting places miles or continents away in real time.
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evidence?
cites?
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Wishi, I know this thread is about the overly processed foods that we eat NOW. But ever since humans learned to grow our own food, we process it. Milling wheat and other grains for flour is processing. Drying foods, canning, freezing, anything we make changes the foundation of the item. Making jam, where we are breaking down the enzymes in the fruit as it cooks. Making wine or any other alcohol. White sugar is a highly processed food item.
Well, DUH. Modern "processed" food resembles nothing like the food of an age past, it takes on a whole new meaning when you add thirty chemicals that most people never came in contact with then and now we chug 'em on down.
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My theory is that even 'normal' ingredients are highly processed.
Let's take corn oil, a cooking staple in many kitchens for the home cook.
Starting with the corn itself, it has been heavily selected so that it only somewhat resembles native corn species. Then it's industrially farmed, with heavy applications of fertilizer and pesticide. As a whole food, all these together combine to create a nutritionally inferior food. Recently By 2012, 88 percent of corn (maize) and 94 percent of soy grown in the United States were genetically modified, according to the US Department of Agriculture.
WIKI does a good job explaining the oil extraction process: Almost all corn oil is expeller pressed, then solvent extracted using hexane or 2-methylpentane (isohexane).[1] The solvent is evaporated from the corn oil, recovered, and re-used. After extraction, the corn oil is then refined by degumming and/or alkali treatment, both of which remove phosphatides. Alkali treatment also neutralizes free fatty acids and removes color (bleaching). Final steps in refining include winterization (the removal of waxes), and deodorization by steam distillation of the oil at 232–260 °C (450–500 °F) under a high vacuum.[1]
Or check out sugar refining, also from WIKI; The first stage is known as affination and involves immersing the sugar crystals in a concentrated syrup that softens and removes the sticky brown coating without dissolving them. The crystals are then separated from the liquor and dissolved in water. The resulting syrup is treated either by a carbonatation or by a phosphatation process. Both involve the precipitation of a fine solid in the syrup and when this is filtered out, many of the impurities are removed at the same time. Removal of colour is achieved by using either a granular activated carbon or an ion-exchange resin. The sugar syrup is concentrated by boiling and then cooled and seeded with sugar crystals, causing the sugar to crystallize out. The liquor is spun off in a centrifuge and the white crystals are dried in hot air and ready to be packaged or used. The surplus liquor is made into refiners' molasses.[50]
Milk production has selected for cows that are such heavy milk producers they are unable to sustain a normal, healthy metabolism without constant medication and supplementation. This doesn't address the artificial diet, antibiotic and growth hormone use, and other well-known issues. Then you can expand that entire criticism to egg, beef, pork, chicken and turkey production ... and even farmed fish.
The point is that virtually all our food - even the things we consider basic ingredients for home cooking - is largely the result of highly industrial processes - most of which you don't know about. Think pink slime and racoptine, which were commonly used unknowns for years, even decades.
So, back in the day when people lived in cities, or when serfs owed their produce to the lord and had to subsist on the left-overs - the food was very natural but also very bad. Goethe recorded whole regions of Italy where pale, skeletal serfs suffered from symptoms of pellagra, due to the restricted corn polenta diet. Wheat flour was whole grain, but also infested with insects and mold, and rancid. Plus it was often in short supply. (Hence, 'let them eat cake' became the ultimate expression of callous, entitled cluelessness.)
But now we - supposedly - know better. We understand that good population nutrition shouldn't be reserved for the very wealthy few. We understand the basic concepts of good nutrition - fresh whole clean food, heavy on the vegetables and whole grains, and light on the processed and refined foods. We know how to do things 'better'.
But our system isn't geared to produce 'better'. It's geared to produce 'most profitable'. And that involves first
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I agree that you can never be 100% sure about your food unless you grow it all yourself, but you can take a few steps to detox your kitchen.
Use olive oil instead of others. The best quality you can afford, cold pressed extra virgin.
Buy butter and cheese in blocks, not spreads, not shredded, not in cans or any other weird permeation.
Buy as much of your fruit and veggies fresh from farmers markets, and supplement with any you can grow yourself. There are lots of resources on growing in small spaces.
Buy free range meats and eggs, and see if you can get local. You might even be able to find a farm that provides a source of both.
Minimise buying packets of stuff..sweet things, chips, fast and convenience good. you will be healthier without all this stuff.
Eat simple, fresh ingredients. Buy local/seasonal when you can.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't think ANY cancer "returns as another cancer". You can either have a recurrence of the same cancer in a different place, or an entirely new cancer.
...immediately following the cancer which was "cured" or "remitted" or "destroyed" except that ooops, somehow a "new" cancer turned up.
No coincidence here, folks.
Ignore that man behind the curtain.
Listen to the doctors, they don't need to make sense, you will die eventually no matter what. Do exactly what the doctors say, they are never wrong. At least, until they say they were wrong.
What a novel rationalization.
How high must one be to delude themselves into believing that tripe?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I don't think ANY cancer "returns as another cancer".
Cancers can become resistant to treatment. How that happens is a mystery, but DNA replication and division are so sloppy in cancer cells it's thought that additional DNA mix-ups occur. How these resistant cancers are then selected for by treatment seems to happen the same way antibiotic resistance happens with bacteria - the susceptible cells die off, while the resistant ones continue on.
So when the cancer comes back, it's a modified version of the original cancer, but it's not a 'different' cancer.
But it is possible for someone to have two different cancers at the same time, or in succession, and to be cured of one only to succumb to another.
Also, cancers can 'metastasize' which means they travel and create offspring tumors in other areas of the same organ, or nearby tissues, or other distant tissues. So for example, a prostate cancer may create offspring tumors in the same prostate gland without going outside of the anatomical/ biological bounds of that gland - which is called 'in situ' - in place. Or it may erode the prostate capsule and create tumors in nearby tissues. Or it may travel more widely through the body and create tumors in the bone for example.
Is this an explanation of how this poster agreed with me?
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Do you know of any cancer which, when treated, has never returned as another cancer, or in another organ?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Do you know of any cancer which, when treated, has never returned as another cancer, or in another organ?
Although you have quoted my post without attribution, I have never heard of any type of cancer which, when treated, has never returned as another cancer, or in another organ.
So it sounds like you are agreeing with me.
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Heard of an interesting linky
www.criticalhealthnews.com
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A post I found on Daily Mail from Australia...
"Eliminate E202 ( potassium sorbate )& E220 & E221 ( sulphar dioxide & sodium sulphite )Over exposure to sulphites in food may cause an asthmatic attack, or cause gastric irritation. I need to carry an epi-pen, because these chemicals cause anaphylaxis. Since removing these chemicals from my diet, I have ashed weight ( without any exerting exercise ) my IBS has all but disappeared, and my foggy brain has vanished. Chemicals are the killers"
I just wonder how many people don't know.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Heard of an interesting linky
www.criticalhealthnews.com
That site points out that it should be illegal to label anything as MILK that does not come from a mammal. And that all the almond, rice, soy "milks" are bad.
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Do you know of any cancer which, when treated, has never returned as another cancer, or in another organ?
Although you have quoted my post without attribution, I have never heard of any type of cancer which, when treated, has never returned as another cancer, or in another organ.
So it sounds like you are agreeing with me.
Just preserving the wrongness for posterity, since no cancer EVER comes back as 'another' cancer (laughably wrong on point 1), and brain cancers don't come back in other organs (ignorantly wrong on point 2). Which makes you completely, and yet arrogantly, wrong.
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Just wanted to post about ketchup - the real stuff.
Recently heard the bickering about ketchup and the new versions which do not have high fructose corn syrup in them. Started looking for them in the store - cannot find the new French's brand, but finally found 2 which were called something like "simple recipe" or similar.
I still get my lean ground beef - 7% to 9% fat content, still use the George Foreman grill to drain away the grease/fat, still get big fluffy buns, but now with this real ketchup, the hamburgers TASTE ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS!! I was still getting out the lettuce for some leaves, the 1000 Island dressing, the steak sauce (like Heinz 57, not A1), but they are all sitting aside because the real ketchup is just so wonderful.
Anybody else find this out?
Hope this is posted in time for all to try and enjoy during the long weekend. Well worth the search in the stores, for those who buy from the stores.
The real stuff is even a little cheaper than the HFCS junk - why on earth did anybody decide to dilute/contaminate such delicious fare?
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Funny you should reply to this this week, we've figured out hubbs has developed a contact allergy (mouth and stomach) to cinnamon.
He's always HATED ketchup (and tomato soups), turns out there's CINNAMON in it. Yep, right where it says "natural flavors".
SO add that to the list of three thousand things we don't eat anymore...
I'll have to look for the all natural ones.
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"... the real ketchup is just so wonderful. Anybody else find this out?"
I make tomato sauce/ paste - lots of cherry tomatoes, washed, in a blender, some olive oil, cooked down slowly till it's very very thick. It's not ketchup but it's delightfully intensely rich-tart-sweet tomato-flavored. I think it's what ketchup wants to be when it grows up. No slam on ketchup, I like it. But this just tastes so much better, and it's low-cost/ low effort and a more complex, more nutritious result.
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I just read an interesting summation of why synthetic foods, processed foods, and supplements are bad for people. The concept is that vitamins and minerals in food are of a different form and concentration than vitamins and minerals in vitamins and supplements. For example, calcium in food is already dissolved and bound with various proteins, ready to be absorbed by your body. Calcium in the form of supplements is a rock: calcium carbonate. Your body doesn't know what to do with it, and there is some evidence that people who ingest more than about 500 mg of calcium as supplement have more calcium deposits in their arteries.
As another example, there is some evidence that soy-based phyto-estrogens prevent breast cancer, so manufacturers hopped right on the bandwagon and started making pills which contained the most common phytoestrogen. However, further research indicates that there are at least FIVE phyto-estrogens in soy, and that the most common one (the one being sold) actually ENCOURAGED breast cancer. Any possible beneficial effect was probably from one of the others. The same finding was made with the infamous beta-carotene study in the late '90s (it's alpha carotene which is protective, beta-carotene encourages cancer growth) which still stands today as an example of what not to do.
We don't KNOW what's in food. They contain vitamins and phytochemicals in combinations which elude us.
So when you have to apply twenty processes to a food to extract one thing (soy protein isolate )... and then you combine it with a couple-of-dozen other equally-artificial extracts into a synthetic food (vitamin E, folate, polyphosphate etc) - the worst examples of which are those meal-bars and meal-drinks - then you wind up with what the manufacturers THINK is a healthy food-substitute ... or at least what they can convince the consumer is a healthy food-substitute ... but which has no place in the human diet.
I believe in variety above all. I use olive oil. And grapeseed oil. And coconut oil. And margarine. I vary our protein between chicken (organic), turkey, pork (organic, when I can get it), beef (ditto), soy (organic tofu or yuba), eggs (organic), and cheese. I serve a green vegetable (asparagus, beet greens, and chard all the way to zucchini) and another color (carrots, tomatoes, purple potatoes, red peppers, beets, sweet potatoes etc) plus one serving of something really low-cal that people can pile on their plates (cauliflower, shiratake noodles, salad etc) and a fruit every day (whatever is in season).
But I still dish out supplements and vitamins, but only in doses that make dietary sense, and only for specific reasons - like fish oil for hubbs and dear daughter because they both hate fish and will never, ever eat it.
JSF
Quote:Gosh, I wish. I don't like ketchup, I get the organic no fructose kind for the family, but for me it's still bleh
Just wanted to post about ketchup - the real stuff.
Recently heard the bickering about ketchup and the new versions which do not have high fructose corn syrup in them. Started looking for them in the store - cannot find the new French's brand, but finally found 2 which were called something like "simple recipe" or similar. I still get my lean ground beef - 7% to 9% fat content, still use the George Foreman grill to drain away the grease/fat, still get big fluffy buns, but now with this real ketchup, the hamburgers TASTE ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS!! I was still getting out the lettuce for some leaves, the 1000 Island dressing, the steak sauce (like Heinz 57, not A1), but they are all sitting aside because the real ketchup is just so wonderful. Anybody else find this out?
WISH
Quote:I think I have contact allergies too .
Funny you should reply to this this week, we've figured out hubbs has developed a contact allergy (mouth and stomach) to cinnamon.He's always HATED ketchup (and tomato soups), turns out there's CINNAMON in it. Yep, right where it says "natural flavors".
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Just wanted to post about ketchup - the real stuff.
Recently heard the bickering about ketchup and the new versions which do not have high fructose corn syrup in them. Started looking for them in the store - cannot find the new French's brand, but finally found 2 which were called something like "simple recipe" or similar.
I still get my lean ground beef - 7% to 9% fat content, still use the George Foreman grill to drain away the grease/fat, still get big fluffy buns, but now with this real ketchup, the hamburgers TASTE ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS!! I was still getting out the lettuce for some leaves, the 1000 Island dressing, the steak sauce (like Heinz 57, not A1), but they are all sitting aside because the real ketchup is just so wonderful.
Anybody else find this out?
Hope this is posted in time for all to try and enjoy during the long weekend. Well worth the search in the stores, for those who buy from the stores.
The real stuff is even a little cheaper than the HFCS junk - why on earth did anybody decide to dilute/contaminate such delicious fare?
One bar I go to lets us bring in food when they aren't serving. I asked them to put the real ketchp in their frindge in case I wanted it again before it was empty, but otherwise they could use it if they wanted.
Months later I was having a burger again and asked if they still had some ketchup, and they did. I mentioned that i was surpised it lasted that long, and they told me they had 6 bottles of it in the fridge - it is the only ketchup they serve anymore. It was delicious.
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As an aside, I don't think it's just processed food, or Franken-food, or industrialized food that's killing us. I think it's also the commercialized western diet that's killing us, that combines all three hedonic food qualities. And what they are are high sodium, high fat, and high sugar/ carbohydrate. Et voilà, the 'freedom fry' as the avatar.
If you look at the traditional Eskimo diet - high fat and high sodium, the Japanese diet - high sodium and high carbohydrate, and the Irish diet - high fat and high carbohydrate; it looks like any two of the big three are tolerable in terms of health. But when you combine all three together it's a problem. And when you combine that with the American culture of eating, which is to get and eat large quantities, it's a disaster.
It is really killing us? Over half of Californians are currently either diabetic or pre-diabtic. The answer sure looks like yes.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Originally posted by Brenda:
I've not looked for it but then I don't like ketchup anyways and eat very little of it. Same thing goes for mustard.
By gobs Brenda, that's just un American.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think it's also the commercialized western diet that's killing us, that combines all
It is really killing us? Over half of Californians are currently either diabetic or pre-diabtic. The answer sure looks like yes.
The average life span in Russia is 70.47. Men in the USE average 7 years more and American women on average live to 80. I take our diet. Besides it tastes much better.
Of course if you are a journalist who writes something bad about Putin your life expectancy is much lower.
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Japan rank 1 overall 84yrs female 87yrs male 80yrs
France rank 9 overall 82yrs female 85yrs male 76yrs
Ireland rank 20 overall 81yrs female 83yrs male 79yrs
USA rank 34 overall 79yrs female 81yrs male 76yrs
That puts the US on par with Qatar and Nauru, and behind Lebanon and Slovenia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
I take it you don't know anyone who has complications of diabetes or anyone who's died of them? No wonder you can take a conversation about the health of millions of people, and turn it into a statement about how much you hate Putin. And you think it's ok to write off the poor health of over half the population of California.
I'd sure hate to see the hate-filled person you are actually working with actual people.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Of course if you are a journalist who writes something bad about Putin your life expectancy is much lower.
Tee hee hee
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Oooh look - the rage-aholic enjoys it when people are nasty to others! Quelle surprise.
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Here's a great recipe, tasty, fast and easy:
1 cabbage, sliced thin
2 red bell pepper, cut into approx 1/4" wide slices
hot pepper flakes (optional)
2T fresh ginger, minced
five garlic, sliced
2 pkg yuba cut into noodle shapes, or two 8-oz pkg x-firm tofu cut into 1/3" slices and baked with a little soy sauce until firm
1 T roasted sesame oil
1 T flavorless oil, like canola or grapeseed
2 T soy sauce
Heat oil in large pot on med-high heat, add ginger, sautee for two minutes
Add red pepper, sautee another 5 minutes
Add cabbage and yuba noodles (if using yuba), cook stirring frequently until cabbage wilts, about 7 minutes
Add garlic, soy sauce, hot pepper flakes (if desired) and stir
If using tofu, top with tofu slices
Serves about four
This tastes great! When cooking, your kitchen will smell like a wonderful Chinese restaurant. 
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Here's another one, I posted it on the GARDEN thread but this is a better place. More complicated but soooo amazingly tasty!
Chicken Tangine?
Long story short, went online, there are a million different versions since the tagine is a clay Moroccan cookpot, not a recipe!
but combined the three versions that I like, tried it out today .... AWESOME!
1 T paprika
1/4 t garlic powder
1/2 t gr cinnamon
1.5 t gr turmeric
1.5 t gr ginger
1/4 t gr cardamom
pinch ground allspice
pinch ground coriander
Mix dry spices
In a heavy pot, brown 2.5 lb chicken thighs (skinned) in 2 T olive oil.
Remove, drain most of the oil.
add
1 large white onion diced
2 large potatoes in 1.5" pieces
and cook for 5 minutes
Add back chicken and
3 T lemon confit*
1 c green olives
1 T fresh ginger grated
3 garlic, chop
2 roma tomatoes
dry spice mix.
Stir, cover and cook over low heat for 45 minutes.
Add
1/2 small head cauliflower, broken into florets
pinch saffron
Stir in and cook until done.
Garnish with 1/4 c cilantro or flat parsley leaves
How to make confit lemon:
Choose organic unwaxed lemons
Scrub and quarter
Layer with a generous sprinkling of salt
Refrigerate for 2 weeks
Use the peel only in recipes
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So, to move forward a bit on the topic - I do think our high salt/ fat/ (carb/ sugar) commercialized diet is killing us in large numbers, if only through diabesity. And our highly industrialized/ synthetic/ processed diet is also killing us through both lack of necessary nutrients as well as the presence of chemicals whose effects are either known to be harmful or inadequately studied. For example, two commonly used surfactants (emulsifiers) in food have been recently associated with leaky gut and increased inflammation, allergies and autoimmune disorders.
But I also think food will be the common link to the soaring rate of autism, now estimated to be 1:68. I can't imagine a more draining issue to hit our society both short-term and long-term. (I'm not even going to try and quantify the amount of misery for both those with autism and their caregivers.) Perhaps it's the neonicotinoids whose historic use rises just before autism rates do. It might be the lack of fiber and/ or the presence of emulsifiers that change the gut bacterial composition and so the balance of neurochemicals. Whatever the specific cause, if our diet is related to autism the way I think it is, it'll be yet another example of how our modern diet is killing us.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Japan rank 1 overall 84yrs female 87yrs male 80yrs
France rank 9 overall 82yrs female 85yrs male 76yrs
Ireland rank 20 overall 81yrs female 83yrs male 79yrs
USA rank 34 overall 79yrs female 81yrs male 76yrs
That puts the US on par with Qatar and Nauru, and behind Lebanon and Slovenia.
I take it you don't know anyone who has complications of diabetes or anyone who's died of them? No wonder you can take a conversation about the health of millions of people, and turn it into a statement about how much you hate Putin. And you think it's ok to write off the poor health of over half the population of California.
I'd sure hate to see the hate-filled person you are actually working with actual people.
1st, Russia ranks 152 on your list.
2nd, It has never been about Putin. It has always been about the relentless attacks against the West perpetrated by you and SIG. Had you been evenhanded, honest in your judgements my replies would have been very different. Instead it was obvious from the beginning by the sources the two of you were referencing, along with the constant negative stories about anything west, that you had an agenda.
You may even make a good point here and there, but your hypocrisy when it comes to holding all to the same standards always leaves you suspect.
I don't like you, either of you
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What do you know? A tagine recipe that I can eat with some modifications for myself. I would have to drop the lemon and onion and cinnamon. Also the olives but I still think it would taste pretty good. :)
Thanks Sig. I've been wanting to try a tagine recipe for ages but couldn't find anything that didn't contain dried fruits and such.
Hey BRENDA, I hope you find it as tasty as I did!
BTW, we tried - literally- a dozen meds and a few non-prescription or off-the-wall therapies for dear d's intractable seizures/ slipping into dementia before doctor took a flying leap and found something that worked (amantadine, an antiviral often used for its "side effect" of preserving dopamine in the brain).
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OK, one LAST recipe for now!
Spaghetti and meat sauce. What I do with this one is make the sauce really seasoned, almost like pizza sauce.
2 T olive oil
2 8-oz boxes mushrooms, washed, stem-bottoms trimmed (if necessary) and sliced
1- 1.25 pound ground turkey
1/2 jar low sodium pasta sauce
1.5 t garlic powder
1/4 t fennel
1/2 t dried oregano, or more
1/2 t dried basil, or 1/4 minced fresh basil
2 bags shiratake noodles, spaghetti style, or 1/2 pound noodles your choice, cooked
cook mushrooms in 2 T olive oil in flat pan until water is released and mostly dried, set aside
cook ground turkey in flat pan, crumble, drain fat if necessary
add pasta sauce, garlic, and fennel
cook low heat about 15 minutes
add dried oregano (and dried basil, if using dried basil) and mushrooms
cook another 15 minutes on low heat, or until thick
add fresh basil (if this is what you're using) and cook until basil is wilted and flavor released
toss in shiratake or cooked noodles of your choice
serve hot with sprinkled Parmesan, and salad or steamed green vegetable (broccoli, broccolini, asparagus, yu choi, etc) on the side
My family is EXTREMELY picky about food, and since they like these recipes a lot, I hope you'll like them too!
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
As an aside, I don't think it's just processed food, or Franken-food, or industrialized food that's killing us. I think it's also the commercialized western diet that's killing us, that combines all three hedonic food qualities. And what they are are high sodium, high fat, and high sugar/ carbohydrate. Et voilà, the 'freedom fry' as the avatar.
If you look at the traditional Eskimo diet - high fat and high sodium, the Japanese diet - high sodium and high carbohydrate, and the Irish diet - high fat and high carbohydrate; it looks like any two of the big three are tolerable in terms of health. But when you combine all three together it's a problem. And when you combine that with the American culture of eating, which is to get and eat large quantities, it's a disaster.
It is really killing us? Over half of Californians are currently either diabetic or pre-diabtic. The answer sure looks like yes.
Forcing into your mouth fake sugar will give you diabetes, especially sucralose. Plus that and High Fructose Corn Syrup will make you overeat in large quantities.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OK, one LAST recipe for now!
Spaghetti and meat sauce. What I do with this one is make the sauce really seasoned, almost like pizza sauce.
2 T olive oil
2 8-oz boxes mushrooms, washed, stem-bottoms trimmed (if necessary) and sliced
1- 1.25 pound ground turkey
1/2 jar low sodium pasta sauce
1.5 t garlic powder
1/4 t fennel
1/2 t dried oregano, or more
1/2 t dried basil, or 1/4 minced fresh basil
2 bags shiratake noodles, spaghetti style, or 1/2 pound noodles your choice, cooked
cook mushrooms in 2 T olive oil in flat pan until water is released and mostly dried, set aside
cook ground turkey in flat pan, crumble, drain fat if necessary
add pasta sauce, garlic, and fennel
cook low heat about 15 minutes
add dried oregano (and dried basil, if using dried basil) and mushrooms
cook another 15 minutes on low heat, or until thick
add fresh basil (if this is what you're using) and cook until basil is wilted and flavor released
toss in shiratake or cooked noodles of your choice
serve hot with sprinkled Parmesan, and salad or steamed green vegetable (broccoli, broccolini, asparagus, yu choi, etc) on the side
My family is EXTREMELY picky about food, and since they like these recipes a lot, I hope you'll like them too!
I gotta look at this one more.
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Here's another one, I posted it on the GARDEN thread but this is a better place. More complicated but soooo amazingly tasty!
Chicken Tangine?
Long story short, went online, there are a million different versions since the tagine is a clay Moroccan cookpot, not a recipe!
but combined the three versions that I like, tried it out today .... AWESOME!
1 T paprika
1/4 t garlic powder
1/2 t gr cinnamon
1.5 t gr turmeric
1.5 t gr ginger
1/4 t gr cardamom
pinch ground allspice
pinch ground coriander
Mix dry spices
In a heavy pot, brown 2.5 lb chicken thighs (skinned) in 2 T olive oil.
Remove, drain most of the oil.
add
1 large white onion diced
2 large potatoes in 1.5" pieces
and cook for 5 minutes
Add back chicken and
3 T lemon confit*
1 c green olives
1 T fresh ginger grated
3 garlic, chop
2 roma tomatoes
dry spice mix.
Stir, cover and cook over low heat for 45 minutes.
Add
1/2 small head cauliflower, broken into florets
pinch saffron
Stir in and cook until done.
Garnish with 1/4 c cilantro or flat parsley leaves
How to make confit lemon:
Choose organic unwaxed lemons
Scrub and quarter
Layer with a generous sprinkling of salt
Refrigerate for 2 weeks
Use the peel only in recipes
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What do you know? A tagine recipe that I can eat with some modifications for myself. I would have to drop the lemon and onion and cinnamon. Also the olives but I still think it would taste pretty good. :)
Thanks Sig. I've been wanting to try a tagine recipe for ages but couldn't find anything that didn't contain dried fruits and such.
So is this recipe kinda spicy?
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Chicken Tangine- SIGNY
So is this recipe kinda spicy?-JSF
I would say "seasoned", probably closest to a curry, or an Argentinian-style beef empanada (which overlaps with garlic, onion, cinnamon, olives, paprika, and potato, but also contains beef, cumin, black pepper, and sugar.) But it's not "hot", If you WANT "hot" you can add cayenne, but I prefer "not hot".
Quote:Hey BRENDA, if you make this, let me know what you thought and what you did. I'm always looking to improve my recipes.
I would say it could be kinda spicy JSF. But I ususally modify the spice level to suit my own taste.
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'Older' Cooking Oils are Better for Your Health
Mon, 03/07/2016 - 3:06pm
Risk of heart disease and diabetes may be lowered by a diet higher in a lipid found in grapeseed and other oils, but not in olive oil, a new study suggests.
Researchers at The Ohio State University found that men and women with higher linoleic acid levels tended to have less heart-threatening fat nestled between their vital organs, more lean body mass and less inflammation.
And higher linoleic acid levels also meant lower likelihood of insulin resistance, a precursor to diabetes.
This finding could have obvious implications in preventing heart disease and diabetes, but also could be important for older adults because higher lean body mass can contribute to a longer life with more independence, said Ohio State's Martha Belury, a professor of human nutrition who led the research.
But there's a catch. Low-cost cooking oils rich in linoleic acid have been disappearing from grocery shelves, fueled by industry's push for plants that have been modified to produce oils higher in oleic acid./
"Vegetable oils have changed. They're no longer high in linoleic acid," said Belury, an expert in dietary fats and part of Ohio State's Food Innovation Center.
http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/03/older-cooking-oils-are
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Quote:Mmmmm.... sounds tasty! I'm going to give it a try. Cooked covered or uncovered?
I do plan on giving it a try. Probably after Easter. I am going to try and get a small pork tenderloin for my easter. I have a dish that I used to do for my guy and me. I take the pork, season it and put it in a pan with a can of V8 juice, bay leaves, carrots and potatoes. Then whip it into a low and slow oven to let it cook a good portion of the day and by the time I want supper it is done.
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FWIW I tend to cook 'one pot' meals, with the protein, veges and starch together; and it's usually something I can portion out as individual servings, and freeze. So that generally means a stew or hearty soup, with sufficient protein (20 grams, roughly, or 3 oz cooked meat, poultry or fish) and vegetables (2-3 cooked half-cup potions). The idea is that each portion should be balanced nutrition all on it's own, and not depend on the idea you'll make up some shortfall, or balance out some excess, later on in the day.
I've made, I think, one of the most awesome turkey stews ever - think chicken pot pie, without the crust, and with thickened stewing juice instead of gravy, and fresh thyme.
But lately I too have been trying to expand my range of dishes.
I love green chili and cheese tamales. They're one of my favorite foods. But generally they're too low in protein, and too high in starch, salt and fat to be healthful. So I'm going to try making polenta- chili- and cheese-stuffed bell peppers instead, with whey protein used to boost the protein with a low fat source. Think of it as an inside-out tamale. (I've already made a polenta dish with whey protein, so I know the polenta comes out OK).
The other dish I'm going to try is stuffed mushrooms.
And after that, inside out pizza, using soy paper wrappers to wrap up the filling.
I've already tried out at least different elements of each of these dishes, so I have high hopes they'll come out tasty.
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