Turkey
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UPDATED: Monday, August 7, 2023 21:09
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If you've been following the happenings in Turkey (which you haven't) you'd know that Erdogan's control over Turkey and his grand master plan for reconstituting the Ottoman Empire (look it up, it's pre-WWI) are falling apart. Originally, Erdogan tried to join the EU, but altho the European nations were willing (and eager) to have Turkey join NATO (as a bulwark against you-know-who) they dangled him over EU membership forever. Finally, about eight years ago, he decided to turn east- to Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Sunni mideast leadership specifically - for support, and took a decidedly Muslim turn. At least 75 planeloads of weapons were transhipped across Turkey from Saudi Arabia and Qatar to jihadists in Libya, and back again from Libya thru Turkey to Syria. Turkey has been supporting ISIL in Syria as part of the Sunni master plan to depose Assad. In addition, having brokered a cease-fire with the Kurds in SE Turkey, Erdogan broke it unilaterally and is now fighting the Turkish Kurds with tanks and troops in his own nation. He has been putting down demonstrations using water cannons, tear gas a rubber bullets. He's done a lot of other shit that if I wrote it, you wouldn't believe.
The paper that was taken over BY ERDOGAN'S GOVERNMENT was often critical of Erdogan. That was the reason for the government takeover. Thinking that Russia had anything to do with it is either ignorance, prejudice, or lunacy. Erdogan doesn't need Putin's help in self-destructing, he's doing that all on his own pretty well.
But yanno? There's a lot happening in Turkey, and it deserves a thread of its own, not dangling off the ass-end of a thread on Syria. And that is exactly where this is going!
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The paper that was taken over BY ERDOGAN'S GOVERNMENT was often critical of Erdogan. That was the reason for the government takeover. Thinking that Russia had anything to do with it is either ignorance, prejudice, or lunacy. Erdogan doesn't need Putin's help in self-destructing, he's doing that all on his own pretty well.
ERDOGAN has taken a play out of Putin's play book. Putin has destroyed the press in his country. Putin outright kills people in the press. The number of people is high and growing. Your constant support of Putin while this occurs and no matter what else he does, destroys your credibility. So you should steer clear of this topic.
Anyway, I thought you were leaving?
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Quote:Since you freely, proudly, and frequently proclaim your refusal to read Russian press, how would you know anything about it? Oh, that's right- you don't. But, yanno, never let anyone say that profound ignorance on a topic has ever prevented you from speaking out, no siree!
ERDOGAN has taken a play out of Putin's play book. Putin has destroyed the press in his country.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
ERDOGAN has taken a play out of Putin's play book. Putin has destroyed the press in his country. Putin outright kills people in the press. The number of people is high and growing.
That's EXACTLY what I meant. Thanks!
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WISH: You often speak against ignorance, so why are you participating in it?
TURKEY, STILL SHIPPING WEAPONS ON BEHALF OF SUNNI EXTREMISTS
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We yesterday described what looks like a Turkish-Saudi plan to raise a Salafi-Sunni militia in north Lebanon to then attack nearby Syrian regions held by the Syrian government. Such a new front of the conflict in Syria would necessarily involve fighting in Lebanon as the Lebanese Shia Hizbollah movement is actively supporting the Syrian government. The plot would destabilize Lebanon, probably throwing it back into the brutal times of the Lebanese civil war.
There was no confirmation of such a plot yesterday, just several signs for it like the ship with weapons from Turkey that was caught by the Greek coastguard on its way to north Lebanon.
The existence of such a plan was confirmed today. We still can no say for sure that the plot is part of a U.S. "Plan B" to achieve a violent "regime change" in Syria, but we know that the U.S. is informed about the plan.
In his Washington Post column today the unofficial CIA spokesperson David Ignatius writes about the Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman:
The young Saudi has sometimes been more bold than wise, as in his war in Yemen, his decision to break diplomatic relations with Iran and his new effort to destabilize a Hezbollah-dominated Lebanon.
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Ignatius, as surely also the U.S. government, was informed by the Saudis themselves. The above quoted paragraph continues:
But his role as a change agent is unmistakable. He “wants to transition Saudi Arabia very quickly,” said Adel al-Toraifi, the Saudi information minister, who’s just 36 himself, in a visit to Washington last week.
My hunch is that this plan is too bold to have grown solely in the minds of the Turkish and Saudi regimes. The U.S. is likely not only informed about it but deeply involved. The possibility of such a plan to counter the recent Syrian and Russian successes on the battlefield was first mentioned in a piece published in early February by the Washington Institute, a think tank founded and funded by the Israel lobby.
Last week Secretary of State Kerry mentioned a "Plan B" should the recent cessation of hostilities in Syria fail:
US Secretary of State John Kerry provoked widespread speculation when he referred in testimony before the Foreign Relations Committee last week to “significant discussions” within US President Barack Obama's administration about a “Plan B” in Syria. The speculation was further stoked by a “senior official” who told CBS News that options under consideration included "'military-like' measures that would make it harder for the regime and its allies to continue their assault on civilians and US-backed rebels.”
A violent Salafi militia from Lebanon storming into Syria would certainly be a "'military-like' measures that would make it harder for the regime and its allies".
The author of the last linked text, Gareth Porter, dismissed the chance of a real "Plan B" but had not yet included the Lebanon plot scenario in his considerations. He continued:
Kerry suggested that the US was still a player in the Syrian contest for power. Regarding Chairman Bob Corker’s comment that the Russians had been “accomplishing their ends” in Syria, he argued that the Russians and the Syrian government could take control of Aleppo, but that “holding territory has always been difficult”. Kerry claimed that the Russians could not prevent the opposition [terrorists and Sunni extremists] from getting the weapons needed to continue the war, as long as the US and its allies were supporting them. He offered no explanation for that claim.
The Turkish-Saudi weapon smuggling into Lebanon is an explanation for the claim Kerry made. Syria and Russia are in the process of closing off the Syrian-Turkish border. If the Saudis can build a weapon pipeline into north Lebanon it will become quite difficult for SyNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
"WISH: You often speak against ignorance, so why are you participating in it?"
Because she's a rage-aholic who wants nothing more than to provoke others into a figurative screaming match on the inet. It gives her a chance to be the screaming, irrational, rage-filled lunatic she is. She likes it. It gets her rocks off.
Her poor daughter, living with that thing. And what must she be learning about the world and how to be in it?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Since you freely, proudly, and frequently proclaim your refusal to read Russian press, how would you know anything about it? Oh, that's right- you don't. But, yanno, never let anyone say that profound ignorance on a topic has ever prevented you from speaking out, no siree!
ERDOGAN has taken a play out of Putin's play book. Putin has destroyed the press in his country.
It's pretty simple really. The rest of the worlds press keeps writing about it asshole. You are so demented countering your arguments takes little more than a moments thought.
The best part of it though is the way you have destroyed any credibility you may have had here with your full throated defense of all Putin does.
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Troll, much?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Since you freely, proudly, and frequently proclaim your refusal to read Russian press, how would you know anything about it? Oh, that's right- you don't. But, yanno, never let anyone say that profound ignorance on a topic has ever prevented you from speaking out, no siree!
ERDOGAN has taken a play out of Putin's play book. Putin has destroyed the press in his country.
It's pretty simple really. The rest of the worlds press keeps writing about it asshole. You are so demented countering your arguments takes little more than a moments thought.
The best part of it though is the way you have destroyed any credibility you may have had here with your full throated defense of all Putin does.
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Troll, much?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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