Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria
POSTED BY: kpo
UPDATED: Monday, September 8, 2025 15:48
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First of all, KPO, the definitions that you quoted for a coup describe what happened in Ukraine.
They were YOUR definitions, and why can't you provide links/evidence for this happening in Kiev on Feb 21st 2014 (the day Yanukovich fled Kiev), if this is in fact what happened?
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So, yes, parts of the FSA have allied with ISIL. There are just too many reports of that happening to link all of them, so here is a sampling from various sources (and none of them Russian):
Ha, well I appreciate you going out of your way to find them then.
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U.S. Bombings Driving anti-Assad Rebels Into Alliance With ISIS, Report Says
If you'd read the Guardian report, which I'm guessing you haven't, at least not critically, then you would see that there is nothing in there about a formal alliance between the FSA and ISIS. So when you say "the FSA and their ISIS allies" you are speaking pure bullshit. What the report does talk about is individual rebel fighters or brigades splintering off from the FSA and joining ISIS (often for money or food, despite what they say, and to outcry amongst the rest of the FSA). The report also talks about individual FSA groups making truces with ISIS. A truce, in case you didn't realise, is not an alliance. The report is based on a series of interviews, chief of which is with an ISIS fighter and as such should be treated with extreme caution. "All these rebel groups are joining us and swearing their allegiance to us! The civilians in the areas we control love us!" Yeah right.
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US-Backed Moderate Group In Syria Signs Truce With ISIS: Reports
A truce is not an alliance! A truce, in fact, implies recent hostilities - hardly what you would expect from allies and friends.
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On Monday, the Daily Star in Lebanon quoted a FSA brigade commander saying that his forces were working with the Islamic State
A single example of a single FSA-aligned brigade (out of hundreds) cooperating with ISIS - back in 2014. Weigh that against all of the FSA brigades constantly fighting ISIS (more reliably than the Syrian regime and Russia) and you still say that the FSA is allies with ISIS? Only Russian propaganda can make someone this dumb. LOL that you immediately followed up your post by linking an RT article, by the way.
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There are too many reports for me to link them all. I can link some more, if you want, but that will just make you look even more stupid and stubbornly ignorant than you already do.
First of all, nobody said ... especially not me ... that "the FSA" has allied itself with ISIL (or other extremist groups).
The "FSA" is a group of smaller organizations under a common banner (in order to be labeled as "moderate" terrorists ... er, I mean rebels ... in order to get USA support) and not necessarily under a common command.
The fact that smaller groups and even individuals have joined ISIL ... al Nusra, Arhar ash Sham, and the too many other extremist groups to even name ... should tell you about the nature of many of the groups and individuals fighting under the "FSA" banner. Because they aren't really "pro-democracy freedom fighters", what they really are is anti-Assad sectarian Sunnis, who can't establish their strict theocracy as long as Assad is in power and the government is officially secular.
And, in reality, some of the groups HAVE allied with ISIL (and other extremist groups) while maintaining their individual identity.
What you have just demonstrated, KPO, is that the "pro-democracy FSA" is a fiction. There is no such thing. There are a few individuals who still want democracy in Syria, but they aren't the FSA. And in fact, the BBC just floated a discussion last night that maybe the future of Syria shouldn't be decided by a vote after all, so even your vaunted government is revealing its true intentions. (see my addendum to the Catholic Bishop post above.)
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There are too many reports for me to link them all.
Try quality over quantity. And try ones that actually back up what you claim.
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First of all, nobody said ... especially not me ... that "the FSA" has allied itself with ISIL
You're backtracking (or lying), and you are right to do so. Because you are wrong. Your words:
Signy:"Then the FSA can be bombed with their ISIL/ ahrar ash Sham/ al nusra / al Qaida allies."
The rest of the nonsense in your post I will let go.
Where is this 'coup' evidence for Kiev on Feb 21st 2014?
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In today's twisted BBC reporting, while ...
Russia to call U.N. Security Council session on Syria on Friday
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Russia's foreign ministry said it intends to call a session of the United Nations Security Council on Friday to discuss the Turkish government's statements about a possible ground operation in Syria.
Russia plans to table a Security Council resolution demanding an end to actions that undermine Syria's sovereignty, ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in a statement posted on the ministry's Internet site.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-syria-un-idUSK
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Turkish military force burned alive around 150 Kurds Sirnak Province
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“In Cizre district of Sirnak, around 150 people have been burned alive in different buildings by Turkish military forces. Some corpses were found without heads. Some were burned completely, so that autopsy is not possible,” [Pro-Kurdish MP] Uca said on Thursday.
http://katehon.com/news/turkish-military-force-burned-alive-around-150
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ISIS used chemical weapons against the Kurds, US officials say
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The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) used chemical weapons against the Kurdish peshmerga in August, two U.S. defense officials tell The Hill. The officials said they have confirmed that ISIS used chemical weapons during fighting in northern Iraq and that the Kurdish military — a staunch ally of the United States — was targeted.
“We can confirm some type of chemical weapon was employed by ISIL in that August mortar attack,” a U.S. defense official told The Hill on the condition of anonymity, using another acronym for ISIS.
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/269551-isis-used-chemical-weapons-ag
ainst-the-kurds-us-officials-say
... what is the BBC's message of the day [the only item about Kurds or Syria on the current website]?
Turkey says US arms used by Syria Kurds, blamed for Ankara blast
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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said he will tell President Barack Obama that US weapons have helped Syrian Kurds, blamed by Turkey for Wednesday's Ankara bombing.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35612531
BAD KURDS! BAD KURDS! Not worthy of US support!
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Oh for gods' sake ... I have repeatedly said, both before and after that post, that the FSA is hodge-podge of individuals and groups. I have repeatedly referenced the parts of the FSA which have chosen to fight BOTH ISIL and the SAA (Syrian Arab Army), and parts which have either defected to, or allied with extremist groups.
So, to the context of that quote ... First of all, I'm quoting YOU, and YOUR generalized characterization of "the FSA". What YOU posted was ...
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FSA and other rebel groups say they won't lay down their weapons until Russia stops its bombing campaign on their cities.
The link that you provided with that statement doesn't contain it. So your quote is corrupted, and I can't find the source that you were drawing from.
As far as "the FSA" (no such thing) and its alliance with ISIL or other extremist groups ... if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. The part of the FSA that made that statement ... whatever part that is... has clearly thrown in its lot with the extremists. So let them all be bombed together, I don't care and I doubt Russia or Syria does either, whether you characterize their relationship as an alliance or a coalition or an association really doesn't matter: They have joined their force of arms in a common cause and will be treated as a common enemy.
As for your other points, I'm not going to engage in continued conversation with someone who refuses to acknowledge the obvious: Without the violence of the Maidan, Yanukovich would not have fled and been rescued, and there would have been early elections in a few months. The change of power was violent, and non-democratic. It was a coup.
It doesn't matter whether you think you're making points here or not. If you choose to hang on to that boulder of ignorance while you're going under, that's your problem, not mine, and you'll continue to neither understand nor be able to predict what happens next.
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In today's twisted BBC reporting, while ...
Russia to call U.N. Security Council session on Syria on Friday
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Russia's foreign ministry said it intends to call a session of the United Nations Security Council on Friday to discuss the Turkish government's statements about a possible ground operation in Syria.
Russia plans to table a Security Council resolution demanding an end to actions that undermine Syria's sovereignty, ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in a statement posted on the ministry's Internet site.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-syria-un-idUSK
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Turkish military force burned alive around 150 Kurds Sirnak Province
Quote:(Shades of Odessa!)
“In Cizre district of Sirnak, around 150 people have been burned alive in different buildings by Turkish military forces. Some corpses were found without heads. Some were burned completely, so that autopsy is not possible,” [Pro-Kurdish MP] Uca said on Thursday.
http://katehon.com/news/turkish-military-force-burned-alive-around-150
-kurds-sirnak-province
ISIS used chemical weapons against the Kurds, US officials say
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The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) used chemical weapons against the Kurdish peshmerga in August, two U.S. defense officials tell The Hill. The officials said they have confirmed that ISIS used chemical weapons during fighting in northern Iraq and that the Kurdish military — a staunch ally of the United States — was targeted.
“We can confirm some type of chemical weapon was employed by ISIL in that August mortar attack,” a U.S. defense official told The Hill on the condition of anonymity, using another acronym for ISIS.
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/269551-isis-used-chemical-weapons-ag
ainst-the-kurds-us-officials-say
... what is the BBC's message of the day [the only item about Kurds or Syria on the current website]?
Turkey says US arms used by Syria Kurds, blamed for Ankara blast
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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said he will tell President Barack Obama that US weapons have helped Syrian Kurds, blamed by Turkey for Wednesday's Ankara bombing.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35612531
BAD KURDS! BAD KURDS! Not worthy of US support!
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'Russian operation in Syria is our salvation' – top Syrian Catholic bishop to RT
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The majority of Syrian people support Moscow's anti-terror campaign, the top Catholic bishop in Syria said in an interview with RT, adding that it's not only military assistance, but the promotion of peace process by Russia that they pin their hopes on.
"We see Russia's military operation as a real effort to fight terrorism. What is especially important is that this military campaign goes in parallel with promotion of peace process," Most Reverend Georges Abou Khazen, Apostolic Vicar of Aleppo for the Latins who was appointed by Pope Francis in 2013, told RT in a telephone interview. "We really hope that the peace process will soon prevail over fighting all across Syria," the bishop added.
"The majority of Syrian people" of all backgrounds and faith "regard Russian military campaign as salvation, a way out of the state we've been enduring for five years," the Catholic bishop said, adding that "Syrians are very positive about it."
"Russia's actions are not limited to the military operation. Russia makes a very positive impact by stimulating the negotiations process, and promotes dialogue between various Syrian groups," Bisoph Abou Khazen said.
Syrian minorities have been especially suffering from the conflict, the bishop told RT. Noting that there are over 20 religious and ethnic groups in the Syrian society, the Aleppo vicar said that before the conflict they've all lived in harmony. "Our pre-war society was like a beautiful multicolored mosaic. But unfortunately, it has been destroyed," he said.
Describing the harsh conditions that his congregation and other Syrians have been living in, the vicar said that there is no electricity in Aleppo and water supplies have been disrupted. "The lack of water is what has really made our lives harder," he said, adding that people have been living without water supplies for over a month now.
Many families have fled the violence and the conditions caused by constant fighting, Bishop Abou Khazen told RT, but added: "In light of recent military advances in the Aleppo region, we hope that tension will ease and situation in the city will improve."
Last week, leaders of the Catholic and Russian Orthodox churches, Vatican's Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia have held a historic meeting in Havana, Cuba. After the first ever face-to-face talks, a joint declaration has been signed, in which a special attention is given to the situation in the Middle East.
Saying that challenges of the situation in Syria, Iraq and other countries in the region with "the massive exodus of Christians from the land in which our faith was first disseminated," require "a shared response," the religious leaders called upon the international community "to act urgently."
"We wish to express our compassion for the suffering experienced by the faithful of other religious traditions who have also become victims of civil war, chaos and terrorist violence," the joint declaration said, with Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill urging global leaders "to seek an end" to the violence in Syria and Iraq
https://www.rt.com/news/332922-aleppo-bishop-russia-support/
ETA ...
This is another thing I'm sure you won't believe, because it just doesn't fit within your ideology, because you're good and Russia is bad and therefore how can anyone be for Russia? Just like you thought the people who were celebrating their liberation from extremists were ... oh, I dunno ... mistaken, or cowards, or were somehow unaware of the cost in terms of lives that their liberation meant, I'm sure you'll find some reason to discredit this statement by the Bishop of Syria, just as you've found reasons to discredit the statement by my Syrian Xtian acquaintance from four years ago.
As an aside, I lis
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G: You're as insane as those commentators.
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From your buddies at putin.com:
https://www.rt.com/business/318746-russia-turkey-trade-projects/
This was from Oct 2015. Once the Russian jet was shot down, I think the Russian government became willing to shit-can the entire Russian-Turkish effort. They have stopped, or dropped, every major contract since then, including the gas pipeline and the nuclear reactor, and have sanctioned Turkish agricultural products and have delayed others with endless "inspections" at the border. You think Russia will back down? I don't think so. Putin once spoke of "Life after Erdogan". Once that idiot is gone, I'm sure the Russians will test the waters again- but not before.
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Of course they should. They are suggesting that Turkey could/might/maybe want to protect that supply line with military means. Not knowing the context of the statement it's hard to be sure, but that is likely a true statement no matter what and no matter who they are supplying.
OMFG, I can't believe what an idiot you are.
WHAT supply line is that??? It's the supply line from Turkey to the extremists in Syria, including ISIL in Raqqa.
Now, why in god's name should Syria protect supply lines within its own borders, which are supplying their terrorist enemies? To put it in terms you MIGHT understand that would be like the USA protecting Cuban supply lines to Cuban terrorists in FLA. You're either posting drunk, or posting in complete ignorance, or both. You're pathetic.
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"....because as long as it remains uncertain, people will continue to fight over it." Brilliant - truer words were never spoken. Assad is not "certainty." Non of the rabble lined up against him are either. Even Russia understands this.
Uncertainty. That's precisely why they are where they are, and why the situation drags so many people into it. It's bad for every one to have an uncertain Syria.
ANOTHER part of the BBC interview was a historical perspective on civil wars, and how they were resolved. Pre-cold war, they were usually resolved by military victory.
Post-cold war, half were resolved by military victory, and half were negotiated. Of the military victories, half were won by the established government, and half were won by the insurgents. Military victories were more durable than negotiated settlements, which tended to break down more often. Proxy wars lasted longer (7 years) than internal civil wars (5 years). What I got out of that is that the Russians should nail the terrorists' hides to the wall, drive all foreign actors out of Syria, and Assad should achieve total victory. THAT would be certainty and according to a historical perspective it would provide a more certain future than anything currently proposed.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
'Russian operation in Syria is our salvation' – top Syrian Catholic bishop to RT
Don't duplicate your posts Signy. You copied and pasted this entire RT article just a few posts earlier (once was bad enough). And your post before that was also a duplicate of one of your own posts from just half an hour earlier... Let me remind you these are discussion forums, not opportunities for you to spam for the motherland. Desist.
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Without the violence of the Maidan, Yanukovich would not have fled and been rescued
'The violence of the Maidan...' is about as vague a statement as you can make. What violence are you referring to, specifically? People throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at riot police?
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The change of power was violent... It was a coup.
Leaving aside that revolutions in history often involve violence, and you are completely backtracking on your own definition of a 'coup'; what violence are you referring to that took place on Feb 21st, when the change of power happened?
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