Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria
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Well, your posts are pretty much spam. I didn't want your idiocy to be the last thing that people saw when they left the thread, because it's easy to bury points in a flurry of stupid posts. Which, frankly, your posts and G's and THUGR's pretty much qualify for. (I'm just waiting for that ever-fresh "comrade troll" post from THGUR!)
So, how about responding to the post, then?' Yanno, discuss the point? In case you missed it here it is:
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Russian operation in Syria is our salvation' – top Syrian Catholic bishop to RTQuote:
The majority of Syrian people support Moscow's anti-terror campaign, the top Catholic bishop in Syria said in an interview with RT, adding that it's not only military assistance, but the promotion of peace process by Russia that they pin their hopes on.
"We see Russia's military operation as a real effort to fight terrorism. What is especially important is that this military campaign goes in parallel with promotion of peace process," Most Reverend Georges Abou Khazen, Apostolic Vicar of Aleppo for the Latins who was appointed by Pope Francis in 2013, told RT in a telephone interview. "We really hope that the peace process will soon prevail over fighting all across Syria," the bishop added.
"The majority of Syrian people" of all backgrounds and faith "regard Russian military campaign as salvation, a way out of the state we've been enduring for five years," the Catholic bishop said, adding that "Syrians are very positive about it."
"Russia's actions are not limited to the military operation. Russia makes a very positive impact by stimulating the negotiations process, and promotes dialogue between various Syrian groups," Bisoph Abou Khazen said.
Syrian minorities have been especially suffering from the conflict, the bishop told RT. Noting that there are over 20 religious and ethnic groups in the Syrian society, the Aleppo vicar said that before the conflict they've all lived in harmony. "Our pre-war society was like a beautiful multicolored mosaic. But unfortunately, it has been destroyed," he said.
Describing the harsh conditions that his congregation and other Syrians have been living in, the vicar said that there is no electricity in Aleppo and water supplies have been disrupted. "The lack of water is what has really made our lives harder," he said, adding that people have been living without water supplies for over a month now.
Many families have fled the violence and the conditions caused by constant fighting, Bishop Abou Khazen told RT, but added: "In light of recent military advances in the Aleppo region, we hope that tension will ease and situation in the city will improve."
Last week, leaders of the Catholic and Russian Orthodox churches, Vatican's Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia have held a historic meeting in Havana, Cuba. After the first ever face-to-face talks, a joint declaration has been signed, in which a special attention is given to the situation in the Middle East.
Saying that challenges of the situation in Syria, Iraq and other countries in the region with "the massive exodus of Christians from the land in which our faith was first disseminated," require "a shared response," the religious leaders called upon the international community "to act urgently."
"We wish to express our compassion for the suffering experienced by the faithful of other religious traditions who have also become victims of civil war, chaos and terrorist violence," the joint declaration said, with Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill urging global leaders "to seek an end" to the violence in Syria and Iraq
https://www.rt.com/news/332922-aleppo-bishop-russia-support/
ETA ...
This is another thing I'm sure you won't believe, because it just doesn't fit within your ideology, because you're good and Russia is bad andNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:The answer is "no". But please take this to another thread. Like one about Ukraine, maybe.
Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Without the violence of the Maidan, Yanukovich would not have fled and been rescued
'The violence of the Maidan...' is about as vague a statement as you can make. What violence are you referring to, specifically? People throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at riot police?
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Without the violence of the Maidan, Yanukovich would not have fled and been rescued
'The violence of the Maidan...' is about as vague a statement as you can make. What violence are you referring to, specifically? People throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at riot police?Quote:
The change of power was violent... It was a coup.
Leaving aside that revolutions in history often involve violence, and you are completely backtracking on your own definition of a 'coup'; what violence are you referring to that took place on Feb 21st, when the change of power happened?
Correction, the change of power was Feb 22nd, when the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovich from office.
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So you go and paste the RT article again. Stop spamming for the motherland Siggy.
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So, how about responding to the post, then?
It's Russian state propaganda, why would I respond to it, or even read it?
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...why would I respond to it, or even read it?
Because it's a statement by the Catholic Bishop in Syria, and you might want to know his POV? Because this is a discussion board, as you so helpfully pointed out?
Yanno, I read and listen to BBC and a wide variety of sources. I'm sorry that you're so intellectually fragile that you can't handle the truth if it's outside of your very small bubble. Ir's terribly unfortunate for you that you think that anyone who has a different POV than you is illegitimate, even if he is the Bishop of Syria. But in case you missed it, this is what the Syrian Catholic Bishop thinks...
Russian operation in Syria is our salvation' – top Syrian Catholic bishop to RT
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The majority of Syrian people support Moscow's anti-terror campaign, the top Catholic bishop in Syria said in an interview with RT, adding that it's not only military assistance, but the promotion of peace process by Russia that they pin their hopes on.
"We see Russia's military operation as a real effort to fight terrorism. What is especially important is that this military campaign goes in parallel with promotion of peace process," Most Reverend Georges Abou Khazen, Apostolic Vicar of Aleppo for the Latins who was appointed by Pope Francis in 2013, told RT in a telephone interview. "We really hope that the peace process will soon prevail over fighting all across Syria," the bishop added.
"The majority of Syrian people" of all backgrounds and faith "regard Russian military campaign as salvation, a way out of the state we've been enduring for five years," the Catholic bishop said, adding that "Syrians are very positive about it."
"Russia's actions are not limited to the military operation. Russia makes a very positive impact by stimulating the negotiations process, and promotes dialogue between various Syrian groups," Bisoph Abou Khazen said.
Syrian minorities have been especially suffering from the conflict, the bishop told RT. Noting that there are over 20 religious and ethnic groups in the Syrian society, the Aleppo vicar said that before the conflict they've all lived in harmony. "Our pre-war society was like a beautiful multicolored mosaic. But unfortunately, it has been destroyed," he said.
Describing the harsh conditions that his congregation and other Syrians have been living in, the vicar said that there is no electricity in Aleppo and water supplies have been disrupted. "The lack of water is what has really made our lives harder," he said, adding that people have been living without water supplies for over a month now.
Many families have fled the violence and the conditions caused by constant fighting, Bishop Abou Khazen told RT, but added: "In light of recent military advances in the Aleppo region, we hope that tension will ease and situation in the city will improve."
Last week, leaders of the Catholic and Russian Orthodox churches, Vatican's Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia have held a historic meeting in Havana, Cuba. After the first ever face-to-face talks, a joint declaration has been signed, in which a special attention is given to the situation in the Middle East.
Saying that challenges of the situation in Syria, Iraq and other countries in the region with "the massive exodus of Christians from the land in which our faith was first disseminated," require "a shared response," the religious leaders called upon the international community "to act urgently."
"We wish to express our compassion for the suffering experienced by the faithful of other religious traditions who have also become victims of civil war, chaos and terrorist violence," the joint declaration said, with Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill urging global leaders "to seek an end" to the violence in Syria and Iraq
https://www.r
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Stop spamming the thread with your RT article Sig.
Back to the subject of the thread. War crimes. Airstrikes in rebel-held Douma target civilian first responders (typical Russian tactic):
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Hmmm... let's see:
No coverage of this on any other media, not even on Syria direct.
No sound of warplanes overhead.
A single explosion, not multiple ones, which may be something else (like a propane tank or can of stove-fuel exploding).
No indication that these are "first responders"; if anything the constant refrain of Allahu Akhbar sort of indicates that these are Islamist extremists.
That's pretty thin there, KPO, which indicates that you're ready to swallow anything that satisfies your ideological anti-Russian addiction, even potentially-terrorist propaganda.
Meanwhile, the Bishop of Syria hopes for Russian success
Russian operation in Syria is our salvation' – top Syrian Catholic bishop to RT
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The majority of Syrian people support Moscow's anti-terror campaign, the top Catholic bishop in Syria said in an interview with RT, adding that it's not only military assistance, but the promotion of peace process by Russia that they pin their hopes on.
"We see Russia's military operation as a real effort to fight terrorism. What is especially important is that this military campaign goes in parallel with promotion of peace process," Most Reverend Georges Abou Khazen, Apostolic Vicar of Aleppo for the Latins who was appointed by Pope Francis in 2013, told RT in a telephone interview. "We really hope that the peace process will soon prevail over fighting all across Syria," the bishop added.
"The majority of Syrian people" of all backgrounds and faith "regard Russian military campaign as salvation, a way out of the state we've been enduring for five years," the Catholic bishop said, adding that "Syrians are very positive about it."
"Russia's actions are not limited to the military operation. Russia makes a very positive impact by stimulating the negotiations process, and promotes dialogue between various Syrian groups," Bisoph Abou Khazen said.
Syrian minorities have been especially suffering from the conflict, the bishop told RT. Noting that there are over 20 religious and ethnic groups in the Syrian society, the Aleppo vicar said that before the conflict they've all lived in harmony. "Our pre-war society was like a beautiful multicolored mosaic. But unfortunately, it has been destroyed," he said.
Describing the harsh conditions that his congregation and other Syrians have been living in, the vicar said that there is no electricity in Aleppo and water supplies have been disrupted. "The lack of water is what has really made our lives harder," he said, adding that people have been living without water supplies for over a month now.
Many families have fled the violence and the conditions caused by constant fighting, Bishop Abou Khazen told RT, but added: "In light of recent military advances in the Aleppo region, we hope that tension will ease and situation in the city will improve."
Last week, leaders of the Catholic and Russian Orthodox churches, Vatican's Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia have held a historic meeting in Havana, Cuba. After the first ever face-to-face talks, a joint declaration has been signed, in which a special attention is given to the situation in the Middle East.
Saying that challenges of the situation in Syria, Iraq and other countries in the region with "the massive exodus of Christians from the land in which our faith was first disseminated," require "a shared response," the religious leaders called upon the international community "to act urgently."
"We wish to express our compassion for the suffering experienced by the faithful of other religious traditions who have also become victims of civil war, chaos and terrorist violence," the joint declaration said, with Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill urging global leaders "to seek an end" to the violence in Syria and Iraq
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GSTRING:
So YOUR response to the Syrian Bishop is that RT made this up, or distorted the content? And the fact that his English is "too good" makes you suspicious?
First of all, if he doesn't speak English, there ARE good translators available. Or did you not know that?
Second, yes, some people DO speak like that. The speaker is not just some random person off the street, he's a highly-educated Church official. Plus, I've had the oppty to both read and watch other educated people from the region- particularly Hassan Nasrallah, head of Hezbollah, and he is not a fiery orator spouting Allahu Akbar endlessly; he speaks in complex flowing sentences in measured cadences and human tone. He kind of reminds me of one of the Pastors of my Catholic Church back in the day ... but that's another story.
Thirdly, officials of powerful organizations are highly aware of what is being said by them, and about them. The Bishop's secretary CERTAINLY read over RT's coverage of the interview; if there were any misrepresentation the Bishop would complain to RT, and he would have the power of the Catholic Church to back him up. I doubt misrepresentation would be allowed.
Fourth, there is a Catholic YouTube report on the Synod of Bishops of ANOTHER Catholic Bishop who says virtually the same thing (first few minutes only, but if you want to hear how a foreign-language Bishop sounds, forward to the end):
Syrian Bishop Lauds Russian Intervention - Perspectives Daily
So either this Bishop is being misquoted by everyone, or this is pretty much what they've been saying for some time now.
Quote:Well, since you find it "telling", what does it tell you? 70% of the official Syrian government army is Sunni. That's a statistic that can be verified.
I find this telling, how there's a break in the quoting where rt adds in some editorial content:
"The majority of Syrian people" of all backgrounds and faith "regard Russian military campaign as salvation, a way out of the state we've been enduring for five years," the Catholic bishop said, adding that "Syrians are very positive about it."
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It's another rt fluff editorial propaganda piece. The fact that you can't see it or acknowledge it is not surprising.
It is an expression of support from an important Catholic official in Syria. I didn't post it to provide the latest military updates, but to show you that there are perspectives DIFFERENT THAN YOURS. Of course, you're doing exactly what I said you would do:
You're doing your best to invalidate anything that anyone says which doesn't match exactly what you think.
So you try your best to "invalidate" what I say, and what the liberated Syrians say, and what the Catholic Bishop says, and what my Syrian acquaintance said, and I'm sure if a vote were to be held in Syria where Assad was voted back into power you would find a way to mentally "invalidate" that too. So, first of all, you're an opinion-Nazi. You think that everyone should believe as you believe, because anything else is just "wrong" or doesn't exist. Secondly, you can do your best to explain away things that you don't like, but you really can't invalidate reality. But hey, have fun trying!
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The best summation piece so far imho - a better, more objective pov:-GSTRING
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/putins-winning-in-syria-but-making-
a-powerful-new-enemy/
Quote:This is what I've been saying all along.
Russia’s bombing of the city of Aleppo this week sent a clear message: Vladimir Putin is now in charge of the endgame in Syria. Moscow’s plan — essentially, to restore its ally Bashar al-Assad to power — is quickly becoming a reality that the rest of the world will have to accept. America, Britain and the rest may not be comfortable with Putin’s ambitions in the Middle East, or his methods of achieving them. But the idea of backing a ‘moderate opposition’ in Syria has been proved a fantasy that leaves the field to Putin and Assad.
Quote:Ah, those infamous "terrorist targets" quotation marks! Since the "FSA" - whatever it is- has made common cause with ISIL and other foreign extremist groups, they should share the same fate. Or they can lay down their arms ... which some have done.
The Syrian partial ceasefire, brokered in Munich last week by America’s John Kerry, only served to reinforce this sense of Putin’s power. Under the terms of the deal, all combatants were to cease hostilities while humanitarian aid was delivered to rebel enclaves besieged by government troops. Except Russia, whose planes have continued bombing ‘terrorist targets’ — and since Assad insists that all his enemies are ‘terrorists’, the Munich ceasefire effectively means business as usual for Russian and Syrian warplanes.
Quote:The infamous "they". And "them". Those are the words you use when you don't know who, exactly
In recent days, they
Quote:Did you know that MSF did NOT provide the coordinates of its makeshift treatment centers to the Syrian government?
have bombed Médecins Sans Frontières hospitals in rebel-held Idlib and Azaz
Quote:The FSA- whatever it is- has taken up arms against the government and has either defected to ISIL and other extremists groups, or called a cease-fire with them to focus on Assad, or formed a coalition of sorts. Trying to tease the "FSA" apart from other extremist groups is well-nigh impossible, unless they lay down their arms.
and "Free Syrian Army" positions in the northern suburbs of Aleppo. In response to international condemnation, the Russian foreign ministry has declared that it ‘has still not received convincing evidence of civilian deaths as a result of Russian air strikes’.
Quote:Been saying that too, while KPO, G, and THUGR have been busy denying Russia's success.
Presidents Putin and Obama have both sought to intervene in the conflict militarily, but all the successes have been Russia’s.
Quote:"rebel". Phffft! The area is widely regarded as being held by al Nusra and other foreign fighters.
Between August 2014 and December last year, the US Air Force made 4,669 air strikes to aid Syria’s elusive ‘moderate opposition’ and degrade ISIS. But while this made little impact strategically, Russian air power has proved decisive. Since last September, a single squadron of Russian bombers flying some 510 sorties a week has turned the balance of the war in Assad’s favour. Russian armour and tanks have reinvigorated the Syrian army’s battered forces. Ostensibly flown in to protect the Khmeimim airbase, Russian T-90 tanks have since been reported in the vanguard of Syrian army assaults on rebel strongholds south of Aleppo.
Quote:Yep, said that too
Putin is also seeking to reconcile Syria’s warring factions. While the Pentagon spent billions trying to train an army of democracy–friendly moderates which turned out not to exist
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And now, for a bit of speculation:
According to RT
US 'concerned' about Syrian Army & Kurdish Syria gains, urges stopping actions upsetting Turks
Quote:And he presumably said this with a straight face!
The US president has sided with Turkey and warned the Syrian Kurdish militia not to seize more territory in Syria to avoid upsetting Ankara or the so-called “moderate” opposition. Obama voiced support for Erdogan against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party.
In a long phone conversation that lasted an hour and twenty minutes, Obama told his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan that the US has an “unwavering commitment” to Turkey’s national security.
Obama said he is “concerned” about the Syrian Army’s and Kurdish fighters’ gains in northern Syria as he “urgently called for a halt to actions that heighten tensions with Turkey and with moderate opposition forces in northern Syria,” according to a statement from the White House.
The US president stressed that the ongoing advance of Syrian armed forces and Kurdish militia, with support from the Russian Air Force, could “undermine our collective efforts in northern Syria to degrade and defeat ISIL.”
Quote:Because cross-border shelling is OK
While advising Erdogan to show “reciprocal restraint” and avoid shelling northern Syria where Ankara is engaging Kurds
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Obama stressed that “YPG forces should not seek to exploit circumstances in this area to seize additional territory.”
Do you remember those 50 USA Special Forces that were parachuted somewhere into "northern Syria"? Where do you suppose they're operating?
According to some speculation, the YPG (the Kurdish forces in far northeastern Syria) aren't on the forefront of the drive to close the "gap" on the Syrian Turkish border thru which arms and fighters flow to ISIL in Syria. According to this speculation, it's a conglomerate of other fighting forces including Arabs and Turkmen loyal to Syria called Jaish al-Thuwar (Army of Revolutionaries), which are allied to the same Syrian Democratic Forces mentioned G's post. And according to speculation, this is where the Special Forces are operating: in the drive to take Azaz back from Al Nusra.
Interestingly, what this might mean is a split between the USA Pentagon (Special Forces and Syrian allies) and the USA CIA (al Nusra etc.) That might be one of the reasons why the USA wants the Russians and SAA to hold back from Azaz and "the gap". Well, WE don't know where these spec ops are taking place, but Obama knows EXACTLY where they are!
In the same article
Quote:Because the USA still wants to intervene militarily?
Earlier in the day, Washington [and France] rejected a Russian draft resolution at the UN Security Council condemning any plans for foreign military intervention in Syria. Ambassador Samantha Power even accused Moscow of trying to “distract the world” with its resolution.
And again from the same article
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De Mistura told Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet that the peace talks won't resume in Geneva on February 25 as he had hoped. He said he can’t "realistically" get the parties in the Syrian conflict back to negotiations by that time. However, he added that he hopes the parties will gather “soon.”
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