Do You Think Firefly will ever return????

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GWEK

Sunday, January 24, 2016 6:38 PM

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Originally posted by COSPLAYWITHCAPTMAL:
Spoilers ahead for Leaves On The Wind but I would be truly sad to see Inara go especially since finally her and Mal are together and a thing. It took so long to get to the point of Mal and Inara being together and I would be really upset to see that end so soon.

Oh, you don't really think that there's a world where Mal and Inara end up together, do you? Or Kaylee and Simon, for that matter. That makes me think you've never seen anything else Joss has created. :)

The months they had together between SERENITY and LEAVES ON THE WIND already puts them considerable above the curve, and therefore ready for something horrible.

SECOND

Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by GWEK:

Oh, you don't really think that there's a world where Mal and Inara end up together, do you? Or Kaylee and Simon, for that matter. That makes me think you've never seen anything else Joss has created. :)

The months they had together between SERENITY and LEAVES ON THE WIND already puts them considerable above the curve, and therefore ready for something horrible.

I think the comics need a big story arc to explain why Mal and Inara and the Serenity crew stay together.

Joss Whedon does not need my idea but the only example of a big story that I have is millions of Browncoats are going to Earth. The preparation for the trip will generate other stories. Serenity keeps doing what it has always done, but once in a while is entangled in that bigger story.

Everybody on Serenity wants to go to Earth for their own reasons, even Inara. Keeping Inara in suspended animation for a century would allow time for a cure to be invented somewhere in the Alliance. Hypersleep, to give suspended animation a name, has not yet been perfected. It is one of many things that delays the expedition. Hypersleep is enough reason for Inara to go. Mal just wants to get far away from the central planets. And if Inara is there when he wakes from hypersleep, it is a bonus.

As usual, the Alliance will play the villains by publicly supporting an expedition to Earth while secretly sabotaging it during the years of preparation. The Alliance does not want Browncoats on Earth and Browncoats don't want the Alliance in charge of the expedition. There could be endless conflict punctuated by Alliance henchmen occasionally assassinating Browncoats essential for the expedition's success. Mal does what he always did on TV: kill villainous henchmen.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

COSPLAYWITHCAPTMAL

Monday, January 25, 2016 1:20 PM

I don't really agree at all. Inara and Mal are together and also Kaylee and Simon are together. The comic series also isn't written by Joss just produced by him (Leaves on the wind I mean). I agree there is something terrible on the horizon but I feel that only brings them closer. If you watched Browncoats Unite the special then you know that Inara's secret had a pretty dark episode coming one where she is assaulted violently by an entire Reaver crew. The ending to that episode however showed Mal and Inara being brought closer together with Mal no longer calling her "whore" or shaming her but instead treating her like a lady. I don't feel this is a temporary thing because we've always know that Inara loves Mal and vice versa and Kaylee and Simon love each other deeply as well (it's been talked about that they will have kids).

Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.

GWEK

Monday, January 25, 2016 6:14 PM

Respectfully, I thing you're optimistically misreading a few things.

First, you note that Joss isn't writing Firefly any more. This is true, but one of his brothers is now the shepherd of Firefly, and destroying couples isn't an "only written by Joss" thing, it's a "style element of the House that Whedon Built." It's part and parcel of anything he's associated with.

Second, the revelation of Inara's secret does not involve a storyline that's to come, but rather a theoretical story that was discussed and likely won't ever happen. The episode of Inara's gang-rape by Reavers is one that was considered and dismissed as too dark for the show. COULD the story still happen? Possibly. And elements of it are certainly reasonable to expect, but not wholesale.

Mal and Inara = true love and fated to be together? I doubt it, any more than Buffy and Angel, Xander and Buffy, Willow and Xander, Xander and Anya, Xander and Dawn, Xander and Cordelia, Cordelia and Angel, Giles and Jenny, Spike and Dru, Spike and Buffy, etc.

In all of Whedon-dom, there's currently one and only one romantic relationship with a "happy" ending (from DOLLHOUSE) and the nature of that relationship is, in and of itself, tragic.

As soon as a relationship "gets good," it's headed toward death, usually the quicker the better (note in the House of Whedon how many relationships end the day they truly begin) and very few are depicted as long term. Those that are typically are deeply troubled, and the couple often spends more time apart than together. I think Buffy and Spike is the only long-term, recurring relationship, primarily because they're both usually bad for each other!

It's possible that Mal may be Inara's last lover, because she dies tragically and screws him up for the future, but there's no reason to think they're in for the long-haul (especially given the fact that they only reason they're even still together in the comic is that Inara has pretty much literally given up her independence and sense of self to stay with Mal for the time being).

(I apologize for coming on so strong about this, but, being a fan, and student, of the House of Whedeon for years, one of of my pet peeves is "No, no, X + Y will be the relationship that breaks the mold of every relationship that has come before because they're really true true love!")

ZEEK

Monday, January 25, 2016 8:29 PM

Firefly in it's original form? No, I don't think it will ever return to live action film of any kinda.

Firefly the brand/verse? Yes, I think it will be back in live action film form at some point in the future. I mean look at all the reboots we've seen happen over time. Surely someone will buy the rights to make something with the Firefly brand eventually. That doesn't mean Joss will be involved in any way. It just means that some time in the future the rights will be cheap enough that some executive will think they can cash in on nostalgia. If done well then we can all be happy. If done poorly we can all try to pretend we never saw it.

SECOND

Monday, January 25, 2016 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Firefly in it's original form? No, I don't think it will ever return to live action film of any kinda.

No matter what happens to Firefly in the future, some of us will always have our Leaves on the Wind tattoo.
http://feyith.deviantart.com/art/Leaves-on-the-Wind-Firefly-Serenity-T
attoo-530805961
https://imgur.com/gallery/yVAGs

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

COSPLAYWITHCAPTMAL

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 4:45 PM

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Originally posted by GWEK:
Respectfully, I thing you're optimistically misreading a few things.

First, you note that Joss isn't writing Firefly any more. This is true, but one of his brothers is now the shepherd of Firefly, and destroying couples isn't an "only written by Joss" thing, it's a "style element of the House that Whedon Built." It's part and parcel of anything he's associated with.

Second, the revelation of Inara's secret does not involve a storyline that's to come, but rather a theoretical story that was discussed and likely won't ever happen. The episode of Inara's gang-rape by Reavers is one that was considered and dismissed as too dark for the show. COULD the story still happen? Possibly. And elements of it are certainly reasonable to expect, but not wholesale.

Mal and Inara = true love and fated to be together? I doubt it, any more than Buffy and Angel, Xander and Buffy, Willow and Xander, Xander and Anya, Xander and Dawn, Xander and Cordelia, Cordelia and Angel, Giles and Jenny, Spike and Dru, Spike and Buffy, etc.

In all of Whedon-dom, there's currently one and only one romantic relationship with a "happy" ending (from DOLLHOUSE) and the nature of that relationship is, in and of itself, tragic.

As soon as a relationship "gets good," it's headed toward death, usually the quicker the better (note in the House of Whedon how many relationships end the day they truly begin) and very few are depicted as long term. Those that are typically are deeply troubled, and the couple often spends more time apart than together. I think Buffy and Spike is the only long-term, recurring relationship, primarily because they're both usually bad for each other!

It's possible that Mal may be Inara's last lover, because she dies tragically and screws him up for the future, but there's no reason to think they're in for the long-haul (especially given the fact that they only reason they're even still together in the comic is that Inara has pretty much literally given up her independence and sense of self to stay with Mal for the time being).

(I apologize for coming on so strong about this, but, being a fan, and student, of the House of Whedeon for years, one of of my pet peeves is "No, no, X + Y will be the relationship that breaks the mold of every relationship that has come before because they're really true true love!")

I'm not going to start an argument or anything but I disagree wholeheartedly and i'll tell you why. First off just because tragic relationships have been done in his other series doesn't mean that they will happen in this one. Not all of Shakespeare's work were tragedies some were comedies. You're not in Whedon's head with him telling you exactly how he's going to write his series or continue on with Firefly. In fact they asked him if he would've killed anyone had he known Firefly would've been canceled and he said no not at all. The only reason he killed Shepard and Wash was because that was his ending in a sense. That was sort of his way of saying I did what I wanted to do and I'm done now let others have a go. That's why his brother or Patton Oswalt or Will Conrad now write the comics and not him, he only produces them. If Inara was only with Mal "in the moment" as you say then she wouldn't have broken down balling and weeping when he slept with Nandi. If you want to believe that Inara and Mal will have this Dickensian tragic relationship that's fine. If you also want to flaunt that you've studied Whedon Fu and you're this master of knowledge of his work then that's fine also. I choose to believe that while this is a relationship destined to end because of Inara's illness I believe it will be joyous and wonderous while it lasts.

In all honesty I stopped respecting your opinion when you basically insinuated that I haven't the same amount of knowledge as

GWEK

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:03 PM

I respect that we have different opinions and had started to write a response, but it's clear that you didn't actually read my previous post (given that you are missing many of the salient points and "disagreeing" with things I didn't actually say), so there's no reason to expect you would read another one.

Before I go, though, I will point out the hypocrisy of your own recent post in dismissing my opinions because we don't agree -- which is exactly what you accused me of doing, although in most cases, I was citing facts, not opinions. You CAN disagree with facts, but that doesn't make them wrong.

You win. Great job.

SECOND

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:54 PM

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Originally posted by COSPLAYWITHCAPTMAL:

You're not in Whedon's head with him telling you exactly how he's going to write his series or continue on with Firefly. In fact they asked him if he would've killed anyone had he known Firefly would've been canceled and he said no not at all. The only reason he killed Shepard and Wash was because that was his ending in a sense. That was sort of his way of saying I did what I wanted to do and I'm done now let others have a go.

That is a good theory, except that Joss Whedon couldn't know there would never be a Serenity 2 or 3 when he killed Book and Wash.

It is easy to imagine Serenity selling $90 million tickets worldwide rather than the actual $39 million on a production budget of $39 million. Joss could not have known Serenity would flop before he killed Wash and Book. It is easy to imagine that the second Serenity sold even more tickets and Joss Whedon is writing a third now that he is no longer working for Marvel and Disney.
www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=serenity.htm

If a movie earns a little money, Hollywood is not too proud to make a sequel. Anything is possible, even more Serenity, in a world where Disney actually made Beverly Hills Chihuahua 3: Viva La Fiesta! Because of the possible sequels, could that be why Disney didn't let the scriptwriter kill any Chihuahuas in the first movie?
www.imdb.com/title/tt2224075/

http://maduntwoswords.deviantart.com/art/Danglers-586817239

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

COSPLAYWITHCAPTMAL

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:08 PM

Well he had sort of said in interviews that he was done with Firefly after Serenity even though Serenity did pretty well (not as well as like a movie like Spectre or something). Firefly was so abruptly canceled that he needed to do Serenity he didn't feel he was done with it. Serenity was sort of his closure and feeling like he was able to tell the story he wanted. I personally think though that if Serenity had sold millions of tickets and was a huge success that if they made a Serenity 2 or even 3 I think he would've only been involved as a producer and let someone else have a go at it. Like he's done with the comics.

Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.

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