How truth is manufactured in the West

Oh, yeah, one more "manufactured" western "truth": Russia invaded Georgia.

There was a lot of discussion about that here, at the time when people actually believed in discussing things instead of just calling people "comrade" and attempting to discredit others by name-calling, and AT THE TIME I said it was clear that- despite western media- Georgia fired the first shot. That was true then it's till true now, and the western media lied (again) and people swallowed it whole.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, yeah, one more "manufactured" western "truth": Russia invaded Georgia.

There was a lot of discussion about that here, at the time when people actually believed in discussing things instead of just calling people "comrade" and attempting to discredit others by name-calling, and AT THE TIME I said it was clear that- despite western media- Georgia fired the first shot. That was true then it's till true now, and the western media lied (again) and people swallowed it whole.

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I am tempted to say I am astounded by someone who does nothing but maliciously attack others including whole countries, cry foul over being called a name. I say tempted because I am not surprised at all with this coming from you, because after all, you are clueless.

To put a finer point on it SIG, you reap what you sow. It is all deserved.

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And you know this How, exactly!?

Let me see, a blanket statement that governments lie - Quelle surprise!


SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
KPO- on any day, son, I can read western media and find another whopper. And I just found one. Look, here it is, in Reuters:

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Islamic State militants have made more than $500 million trading oil with significant volumes sold to the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and some finding its way to Turkey, a senior U.S. Treasury official said on Thursday.

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Because, yanno, US government officials would never lie!

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-oil-idUSKBN
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Oh, yeah, one more "manufactured" western "truth": Russia invaded Georgia.

There was a lot of discussion about that here, at the time when people actually believed in discussing things instead of just calling people "comrade" and attempting to discredit others by name-calling, and AT THE TIME I said it was clear that- despite western media- Georgia fired the first shot. That was true then it's till true now, and the western media lied (again) and people swallowed it whole.- SIGNY

I am tempted to say I am astounded by someone who does nothing but maliciously attack others including whole countries -THUGR

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If I post the truth of what a nation (or the media) is doing, how is that "maliciously attacking"? Since when in the truth an "attack"? Only YOU would see it that way. That's because you, apparently, have no respect for the truth. It looks like you're very afraid of it. You see the truth as an attack.

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KPO- on any day, son, I can read western media and find another whopper. And I just found one. Look, here it is, in Reuters:

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Islamic State militants have made more than $500 million trading oil with significant volumes sold to the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and some finding its way to Turkey, a senior U.S. Treasury official said on Thursday.

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Because, yanno, US government officials would never lie!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-oil-idUSKBN
0TT2O120151210
-SIGNY

And you know this How, exactly!?
Let me see, a blanket statement that governments lie - Quelle surprise!
SGG

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How do I know this?

Because, among other things, it is presented ENTIRELY WITHOUT EVIDENCE. You, like G, KPO, and THUGR, don't even have the good sense to notice when you're dealing with 'allegation" versus "evidence".

Now, I have read reports and seen pictures posted by others - aside from Russia- which details the number of oil tankers trucks going from Syria and Iraq to Turkey. The reporters have calculated the amount of oil, followed it to Turkish refiners and to Turkish ports, and watched ship-to-ship transfers offshore etc. There is nothing like that in this article which, internally, doesn't even make sense.

Here, let me analyze the article for you.

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Islamic State militants have made more than $500 million trading oil with significant volumes sold to the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and some finding its way to Turkey, a senior U.S. Treasury official said on Thursday.

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Okay then. As it stand, this is a bald, and somewhat garbled, allegation. An accusation with NO PROOF.

First of all, how does he know the value of the oil being sold? He would have to know both the volume and the prices of the various markets that its being sold into. That would require deep knowledge of Syrian state finances, Turkish finances, and other prices on the illegal market - information that I doubt that he has.

But, taking his statement at face value, and assuming a 50% (or more) discount from legal per barrel prices... If illegal oil is being sold at

$20 a barrel (or less) that means
250,000,000 (or more) barrels of oil sold, or
131,000 (or more) tanker trucks of standard USA size (about 8000 gallons)
11,000 (or more) tanker trucks a month
370 (or more) tanker trucks a day

That's a lot of tanker trucks! That would be visible by drone, or even by satellite! Where are they all going?

"SOME" is going to Turkey.
A "SIGNIFICANT VOLUME" is supposedly going to the Syria government

Now, there are a few things to think about:

1) Where is THE REST going? The statement, in its face, doesn't account for what seems to be a rather large remainder.

2) How is the oil supposedly transported to Syrian government-controlled areas? There are only two paths that the oil can follow ... (a) either out of ISIL-controlled Syria thru a neighboring country (which one? Iraq? Turkey?) and back in thru port, which would reveal a significant line of trucks going out, and ships coming in, or (b) directly into Syrian government-controlled territory, again, creating a significant line of trucks from ISIL territory into Damascus or other areas.

And if not trucks... if pipeline ... don't they know where the oil is coming from and going to?

With all of this oil-traffic supposedly going into government-controlled territory, don't you find it strange that there are no photos of roadways and trucks, no coordinates of pumping stations and pipelines, or ANY OTHER evidence presented in favor of this allegation?

ALSO, don't you find it strange that the USA and its "partners" have somehow NOT NOTICED this oil traffic until JUST NOW? Not targeted it at any time in the previous 14 months of bombing???

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