Hungary's refugee-kicking camerawoman pondering move to Russia...

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SIGNYM

Monday, November 2, 2015 11:02 AM

I wanted to add a couple of somethings that I didn't have time to write becauz I have a real life.

KPO- Despite the fact that the NYT and Bellincrap post provable lies and enthusiastic propaganda, despite the fact that I KNOW they post propaganda, guess what? I still read them.

GSTRING. KPO- You two have a LOT in common. Out of video 20-30 minutes in length, KPO, you focus on two points that are so relatively minor compared to the enormity of the topic, that it looks as if you're deliberately trying to either distract yourself or everyone else from the real issue. And GSTRING, despite your numerous protestations that you really do care, really! about people everywhere, the number and focus of your posts indicates otherwise. You can't possibley go back and post-edit the length and breadth of your posts which demonstrates EXACTLY how much you "care".

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Oh, hey MAGONS!

Yes, we're still squabbling here on firefly!

How are things going for you? At this end of the Pacific, we're expecting one of the largest el Ninos on record, and hoping that it brings much-needed rain. But at your end of the Pacific, doesn't that mean drought???

And how are you doing otherwise?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Monday, November 2, 2015 6:50 PM

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I choose not to be so simple because to me it won't save anyone, and to think so to me points to someone who's doing it purely for ego, self-aggrandisment.

Uh huh.

Which is why whenever the topic [real people really getting killed] comes up, you get exercised about everything but. Like the "dead children" thread, in which your topic of conversation becomes either you or me, and not the issue at hand. Oh BTW, I never said that you "WANTED" to kill people, so thanks for misrepresenting my opinion... again.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60019&p=2#1
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I believe that YOU believe that you're a "nice guy", with nice liberal beliefs about freedom and capitalism. That you just really want to "help" people achieve their dream of peace and democracy (and gay rights). But you fail to acknowledge and accept that your "good intentions" are generating a lot of victims.

I have a different approach, especially for the USA, which seems to assume that it has the right and the duty to "intervene" with anyone, anywhere (militarily, financially, culturally) and has caused untold misery and millions of deaths since WWII. My foreign policy advice would be FIRST, DO NO HARM.

I'm not going to reply to whatever you come up with here. Or in the other thread. You've lost it, my friend.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Monday, November 2, 2015 6:51 PM

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I was talking about the content of the video.

And I was talking about the people that made it.

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The first was a "misquote" from Churchill. Now, frankly, I think Churchill said EXACTLY that they would target German cities.

Hilarious that both you and kiki are back to vehemently defending your neo-Nazi video - a few posts after kiki loudly denying that she had ever done so.

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You focused on two relatively minor points:

Ha! You shouted and screamed about the strafing outrage in the opening page of that thread. But now it's 'a minor point'.

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I've spoken with several people who knew Dresden survivors, those survivors had a distinct memory of being strafed

Oh well that 3rd hand anecdotal evidence changes everything, forget about the well-researched historical studies...

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So, all of these points are lies?

Give me any propaganda video and I will be able to give you a list of 'factual' information in it. Again you show that you don't understand how propaganda works, and why you are such a sucker for it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Monday, November 2, 2015 6:57 PM

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I'm not going to answer whatever you choose to post, because while I can (AND HAVE) pointed to "reportage" from Bellingcrap and NYT which should have thoroughly discredited these websites in your mind,

I've no idea why you keep going on tangential rants about Bellingcat and the NYT, but you should know that I never pay them any attention, I just scroll right past them as with any of your tangential rants about Iraq and WMD, or my signature, etc.

It's not personal. It's just war.

1KIKI

Tuesday, November 3, 2015 1:40 AM

... and how bad that was."

Not until you post-edited. ;-)

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

KPO

Tuesday, November 3, 2015 11:42 PM

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That was so nice of them to indicate where they spliced phrases together, don't you think?

Are you joking? I hope you are.

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When Churchill said "German cities, harbours and centres of war production", was he somehow excluding cities?

Ha. If all you can do is throw out feeble strawmen like this, then you are just crying out to be ignored. Quite obviously my issue with the editing of the quote was the words taken out, not the word left in.

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As an expose of the little-known historical fact that Churchill considered cities a legitimate target and adopted a policy of carpet-bombing them in 1942

Allied area bombing of German (and Japanese) cities is a little known fact? What??

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...the video is historically accurate, and not Nazi propaganda.

Oh really? Those fine neo-Nazis at Hellstorm decided to make a historically accurate, factual video about the bombing of Dresden? That was nice of them.

Anyway, thanks for proving my point that you are ready to defend neo-Nazi websites as reliable sources of historical information.

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This book says this about the subject: (Among the Dead Cities: Is the Targeting of Civilians in War Ever Justified? By A.C. Grayling)

There's an interesting moral discussion to have about the Allied bombing of Germany and Japan, but neither you nor Signy showed much interest when I tried to have it. I guess you were too busy pushing your neo-Nazi video.

It's not personal. It's just war.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, November 7, 2015 6:13 PM

First -
BBC journalist comes clean, says “trust nothing you read or watch”
http://www.thecanary.co/2015/11/06/bbc-journalist-comes-clean-says-tru
st-nothing-read-watch/
Darvall then hailed the internet as the bastion of real media.

The internet allows us to come to our own conclusions by checking our own facts. We really can’t trust the traditional outlets to do it right or properly.

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Anti-Terrorist Hacker Group Reveals 40 ISIS Websites Protected by US Tech Firm
https://www.minds.com/blog/view/509442410363760640/anti-terrorist-hack
er-group-reveals-40-isis-websites-protected-by-us-tech-firm
The terrorist organization ISIS, or the Islamic State, is known to promote its activities by exploiting the open nature of the Internet. This includes recruiting through social networks like Facebook and Twitter, and using sites like YouTube to publish propaganda videos.
They also make use of available web services to guard their sites against cyberattacks and hide their locations.
According to information provided by anti-terrorist hacker group GhostSec, close to 40 pro-ISIS websites are using the services of a Silicon Valley company called CloudFlare. CloudFlare is a content delivery network that provides services to speed up websites and render them virtually immune to distributed denial of service, or DDS, cyberattacks that can overload websites to bring them offline.
Among the sites, 34 are for spreading propaganda, 4 are terrorist forums, and 2 offer technical services. A brief perusal of the sites showed they heap praise on ISIS, promote terrorist attacks, and some are used as chatrooms for extremists.

this is from the rightwing barenaked islamblog

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My story: You have to understand why Hungary decided to build a fence. All throughout the summer, every single day, thousands of Muslims poured in through Serbia and were all shipped to Budapest. We suffered for months, and not once did the EU help us! All they did was criticise, and the people had enough and voted for Viktor Orbán in a national consultation to protect the nation.
I manage a restaurant by Western Railway Station. This building is a historical monument, was built in 1877 by the Eiffel Company. Hundreds of Muslims lined the station, left massive piles of trash everywhere, let their children run around half naked and dig in trash bins. There was a dysentery outbreak in July amongst the migrants. They left vomit and diarrhea on Eiffel Square.
The square was cordoned off and the National Public Health Service came in the early morning, wearing biohazard suits and masks and disinfected everything with undiluted bleach. They repeated this procedure for a week straight, and every single public transport bus, tram, and metro, was also disinfected. After this, the migrants were no longer allowed to travel for free on public transport. They got their own bus which took them around the three various train stations in Budapest.
The sad thing is I had to tell every colleague to keep quiet about the migrants. There were liberal activists and journalists cruising around, one idiot even baked a pink birthday cake for the migrants which was left squashed and uneaten on the floor… if the activists ever got word of something bad our restaurant was doing, they could easily have reported us to the liberal media. This is a horrible feeling, like back in Communism. You don’t know who you can trust, because any stray word could be overheard by the ‘secret police’, and you could be dragged off to be tortured…
Needless to say, the presence of migrants caused incredible dives in our revenue. Guests did not want to come in, migrants would aggressively demand for us to charge their phones. It was a nightmare and I am SO HAPPY that this is finally over! Our streets are beautiful and safe again! I give endless praise to our government and our Prime Minister. He wants order and safety and a good life for his citizens and a good, Hungarian future for children.

what an odd world we live
Merkel, Obama

THGRRI

Saturday, November 7, 2015 6:45 PM

What is it with some parts of Europe and it's refusal to let go of fascism.

"Definition of FASCISM for Kids: a political system headed by a dictator in which the government controls business and labor and opposition is not permitted"

Notice I posted the definition of fascism for children. This is because fascist's are morons.

Fascist: a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, November 7, 2015 8:50 PM

Everyone is turning against this "refugee" thing, its not just the extreme right look at the film on youtube of protests, they are young, old, women, children aqll protesting the white of France, Italy, Poland, Germany some in the Euro crowds are Sikh, Kurdish, Thai, some are Arab Christians protesting, some are Atheists, there are young German kids, young French kids, the retired Granny and Granpas, teenagers, all ages.....its not just the far-right anymore the crowds ARE HUGE...all are protesting

So why do Europeans no longer want the expansion of "Sharia Law" and other middle east "culture" on their land

Is it possible to understand why these people don't want the spread of Islamism, they no longer see the benefit of Islamic occupation of non-Muslim lands

but before this de-grades into a democrat vs republican circus, before this becomes another disaster left vs right debate
let's look at facts, lets quote numbers from the news sites
and let us see if Islam and Western Style Democracy can co-exist?

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We’ve reported in the past on a pernicious piece of legislation known as Bill 59, which is up before the legislature in Quebec and is considered likely to become law. It effectively implements UN Resolution 16/18 in Quebec, criminalizing “the call to hate, demonize, and dehumanize certain groups”. We all know what the “certain groups” will be, and I can guarantee they won’t include any Anabaptists or Amish.

With Justin “Baby Doc” Trudeau now in charge of piloting the Canadian ship of state, we can also expect that Bill 59 will eventually be extended to the entire Canadian commonwealth and become the law of the land. Like the Human Rights Commissions, only statutorily-based.

Vlad Tepes, who lives in Ottawa just a stone’s throw from Modern Multicultural Quebec, is considering possible workarounds in anticipation of the day when government agencies start blocking certain websites. Below are excerpts from his post about virtual private networks:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/gagged-in-quebec-and-beyond/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/07/concerns-of-muslim-
immigration-surge-into-western-world-come-into-focus/
A report derived from information from the 9/11 Commission and the Center for Immigration Studies validates Horowitz’s concerns. The study revealed that, out of 94 foreign-born terrorists operating inside the United States, 59 of them committed immigration fraud before or during terrorist activity.

Census data reveals roughly 100,000 Muslim immigrants are admitted to the United States each year. Immigrants who enter the U.S. legally are entitled to welfare, U.S. jobs and to vote.

Horowitz warns that the increasing Muslim population, coupled with President Obama’s unwillingness to identify Islamic extremism, creates a national security threat.

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Living Apart Together: British Muslims and the paradox of multiculturalism, survey of British Muslims, by the conservative think-tank Policy Exchange, Jan 2007. Authored by Munira Mirza.

37 percent of young British Muslims want Sharia law in Britain.
36 percent of young British Muslims think apostates should be killed.
13 percent of young British Muslims said they "admired" Al Qaeda

Survey of British Muslims, Channel 4, Aug 2006 (also here)
http://markhumphrys.com/islam.uk.html

36 percent said they wanted Sharia law in the UK.
Half said British people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/06/22/ii-the-rift-between-muslims-and-th
e-west-causes-and-consequences/
With just a few exceptions, there is broad public awareness of the dispute over publication of cartoons with the image of the prophet Muhammad. In most populations surveyed, more than 80% had heard of the controversy, and this figure rises to more than 90% in Jordan, Egypt, and among Muslims in Great Britain, Germany and France. But in the U.S., just 65% had heard of the dispute, and in China only 23% were a

1KIKI

Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:08 AM

kiki - That was so nice of them to indicate where they spliced phrases together, don't you think?
kpo - Are you joking? I hope you are.
Apparently, words ... hell, comprehension, logic and maybe even sanity ... have failed kpo.

kiki - When Churchill said "German cities, harbours and centres of war production", was he somehow excluding cities?
kpo - Ha. If all you can do is throw out feeble strawmen like this, then you are just crying out to be ignored. Quite obviously my issue with the editing of the quote was the words taken out, not the word left in.
Aside from being completely confused as to what constitutes a strawman, he can't show how the words taken out would have substantially changed the facts as outlined by the condensed quote. Not even AFTER I provided him the FULL context of the quotes. So, kpo has again failed to offer an argument using logic based on evidence.

kiki - As an expose of the little-known historical fact that Churchill considered cities a legitimate target and adopted a policy of carpet-bombing them in 1942
kpo - Allied area bombing of German (and Japanese) cities is a little known fact? What??
A substantial minority of people in the US may understand that the US bombed Japanese civilians. Not many know that Churchill's policy was to bomb German civilians. Churchill's policy of bombing German civilians is the point of the video. US policy about the Japanese is beside the point.

kiki - ...the video is historically accurate, and not Nazi propaganda.
kpo - Oh really? Those fine neo-Nazis at Hellstorm decided to make a historically accurate, factual video about the bombing of Dresden? That was nice of them.
And here he resorts to discussing source - and carries it further into ad hominem - rather than discussing the facts.

kpo - Anyway, thanks for proving my point that you are ready to defend neo-Nazi websites as reliable sources of historical information.
And here he resorts to discussing source - and carries it further into ad hominem - rather than discussing the facts.

kiki - This book says this about the subject: (Among the Dead Cities: Is the Targeting of Civilians in War Ever Justified? By A.C. Grayling)
kpo - There's an interesting moral discussion to have about the Allied bombing of Germany and Japan, but neither you nor Signy showed much interest when I tried to have it. I guess you were too busy pushing your neo-Nazi video.
And rather than discuss the actual topic he claims he wants to discuss, he throws out more ad hominems and runs off.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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