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So, you want Isis to win?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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I agree SIG the russians have pissed them all off. It's what's going on, on the Arab streets that counts the most and it isn't looking good for russia. THUGR
I'll get to that point in a bit as to who is going to win this fight. But first... here's something you'll never see in the western press:
Syrian Christian Leader Tells West: 'Stop Arming Terror Groups Who Are Massacring Our People'
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In a July interview, The Patriarch of Antioch, Moran Mor Ignatius Aphrem II, called on the West to “stop arming and supporting terrorist groups that are destroying our countries and massacring our people.” The Syrian Christian leader added that “state institutions need to be strengthened and stabilised. Instead, what we see is their forced dismemberment being fuelled from the outside.”
The Patriarch also recounted a meeting he had with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad:
Along with bishops of his church he recently had talks with President Assad of Syria. “President Assad urged us to do everything in our hands to prevent Christians from leaving Syria. 'I know you are suffering,' he said, 'but please don't leave this land, which has been your home for thousands of years, even before Islam came.' He said that Christians will also be needed when the time comes to rebuild this devastated country.”
He said the majority of Syrian citizens support Assad's government and have always supported it.
“We recognise legitimate rulers and pray for them, as the New Testament teaches us. We also see that on the other side there is no democratic opposition, only extremist groups. Above all, we see that in the past few years, these groups have been basing their actions on an ideology that comes from the outside, brought here by preachers of hatred who have come from and are backed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Egypt. These groups receive arms through Turkey too, as the media have shown us.”
Some of the people here on this very board have been chivying me about whether the Syrian Xtian that I spoke with was representative of Syrian Xtians in general. Well, sheer logic should have told anyone that Xtians and other Syrian minorities have much to fear from the idea of a Sunni-wahhabi government, but in case logic failed they COULD have tried looking up some statements from the region. Instead, they chose to wallow in ignorance. BTW- an additional fact you would never see in the western press: 70% of Assad's army is Sunni. Whatever you think you know about Syria from western media is 99.99% bullcrap.
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SO, BACK TO WHO WILL WIN:
On the one side of this fight is ranged Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the rest of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), Turkey, and the remnants of Saddam's army command. If you think the link between Saudi Arabia and terrorism is unproven, Saudi Arabia itself revealed that it was using terrorists to gain territory when Bandar "Bush" bin Sultan, former head of Saudi Security, used the spectre of Chechen terrorism to threaten the Sochi Olympics. (Putin told Bandar to go to hell.) But if that wasn't clear enough, you can now see Saudi Arabia pumping even MORE money and arms into terror networks in Syria. The link between Saudi Arabia and the various al Qaida affiliates has been made extremely plain, if one cares to notice the connection. And the links between the USA and Saudi Arabia are undeniable. Please keep those links in mind ... they explain many past decades, and predict much of the future.
For those same decades, various USA administrations also supported Saudi Arabia's quest for regional dominance by creating power vacuums in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Sudan, providing fertile regions for Saudi takeover via al Qaida affiliates. But because the USA admins had made "terrorism" such a focus of fear, the various admins couldn't afford to be seen as doing "nothing" against al Qaida, so where they weren'
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"It's one of 'G''s go-to moves when it can't win an argument - make a stupid ad hominem comment."
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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You know, Signy - and this is just a sideways observation -
I remember when Pakistan was emerging as a highly educated technological society. It was starting to take its place on the world stage, and far outpacing India despite its size and relative lack of resources. I remember it because my Pakistani friend - a PhD in biophysics at the time - was emblematic of Pakistan's entry into the modern world - though a practicing Muslim she was cosmopolitan and highly educated, from a family of international scholars.
As far as I can tell, 'what happened' to derail Pakistan was nothing more or less than the growth of madrassas, substituting religious rhetoric and righteous intolerance for knowledge and reason (similar to the US right-wing today .... but I digress ...). As Pakistani education levels fell, so did competitive capability, leading to poverty and even more religious extremism, in a positive feedback loop.
Now, I don't support international capitalism and the corrosive system of profits it imposes. OTOH I don't think insular religious extremism is a good, or even the only, alternative.
So, 'what happened' to Pakistan was a sea change of ideas. Fomented, nurtured and supported by Saudi money for sure, but now it has a life of its own. Would those ideas fade away if they suddenly were separated from the power structure that supports them? I don't know.
Similarly, I'm not sure that Wahhabist terrorism would be washed away in one action.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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"It's one of 'G''s go-to moves when it can't win an argument - make a stupid ad hominem comment."
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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You know, Signy - and this is just a sideways observation -
I remember when Pakistan was emerging as a highly educated technological society. It was starting to take its place on the world stage, and far outpacing India despite its size and relative lack of resources. I remember it because my Pakistani friend - a PhD in biophysics at the time - was emblematic of Pakistan's entry into the modern world - though a practicing Muslim she was cosmopolitan and highly educated, from a family of international scholars.
As far as I can tell, 'what happened' to derail Pakistan was nothing more or less than the growth of madrassas, substituting religious rhetoric and righteous intolerance for knowledge and reason (similar to the US right-wing today .... but I digress ...). As Pakistani education levels fell, so did competitive capability, leading to poverty and even more religious extremism, in a positive feedback loop.
Now, I don't support international capitalism and the corrosive system of profits it imposes. OTOH I don't think insular religious extremism is a good, or even the only, alternative.
So, 'what happened' to Pakistan was a sea change of ideas. Fomented, nurtured and supported by Saudi money for sure, but now it has a life of its own. Would those ideas fade away if they suddenly were separated from the power structure that supports them? I don't know.
Similarly, I'm not sure that Wahhabist terrorism would be washed away in one action.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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You know, Signy - and this is just a sideways observation -
I remember when Pakistan was emerging as a highly educated technological society. It was starting to take its place on the world stage, and far outpacing India despite its size and relative lack of resources. I remember it because my Pakistani friend - a PhD in biophysics at the time - was emblematic of Pakistan's entry into the modern world - though a practicing Muslim she was cosmopolitan and highly educated, from a family of international scholars.
As far as I can tell 'what happened' to derail Pakistan was nothing more or less than the growth of madrassas, substituting religious rhetoric and righteous intolerance for knowledge and reason (similar to the US right-wing today, eta - who think that 'intelligent design' should be taught AS SCIENCE; that societal understanding only requires girls should be 'slut-shamed' - but not boys; and that the only information anyone needs to know about the biology and health of reproduction is just say no .... but I digress ...).
As Pakistani scientific education levels fell, so did competitive capability, leading to poverty and even more religious extremism, in a positive feedback loop.
Now, I don't support international capitalism and the corrosive system of profits it imposes. OTOH I don't think insular religious extremism is a good, or even the only, alternative.
So, 'what happened' to Pakistan was a sea change of ideas. Fomented, nurtured and supported by Saudi money for sure, but now it has a life of its own. Would those ideas fade away if they suddenly were separated from the power structure that supports them? I don't know.
Similarly, I'm not sure that Wahhabist terrorism would be washed away in one action. eta - It started out as a synthetic movement, fostered by the Saudis and aided by the US, but by now it may have grown deep roots.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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So, you want Isis to win?
It's one of Kiki's go-to moves when she can't win an argument - ask a stupid question.
Yeah and she does that a lot along with changing the subject.
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You know, Signy - and this is just a sideways observation -
I remember when Pakistan was emerging as a highly educated technological society. It was starting to take its place on the world stage, and far outpacing India despite its size and relative lack of resources. I remember it because my Pakistani friend - a PhD in biophysics at the time - was emblematic of Pakistan's entry into the modern world - though a practicing Muslim she was cosmopolitan and highly educated, from a family of international scholars.
As far as I can tell 'what happened' to derail Pakistan was nothing more or less than the growth of madrassas, substituting religious rhetoric and righteous intolerance for knowledge and reason (similar to the US right-wing today, eta - who think that 'intelligent design' should be taught AS SCIENCE; that societal understanding only requires girls should be 'slut-shamed' - but not boys; and that the only information anyone needs to know about the biology and health of reproduction is just say no .... but I digress ...).
As Pakistani scientific education levels fell, so did competitive capability, leading to poverty and even more religious extremism, in a positive feedback loop.
Now, I don't support international capitalism and the corrosive system of profits it imposes. OTOH I don't think insular religious extremism is a good, or even the only, alternative.
So, 'what happened' to Pakistan was a sea change of ideas. Fomented, nurtured and supported by Saudi money for sure, but now it has a life of its own. Would those ideas fade away if they suddenly were separated from the power structure that supports them? I don't know.
Similarly, I'm not sure that Wahhabist terrorism would be washed away in one action. eta - It started out as a synthetic movement, fostered by the Saudis and aided by the US, but by now it may have grown deep roots.- KIKI
Well, of course. Wahhabism isn't going to be wiped out in one fell swoop. That's like saying that the USA will suddenly turn away from evangelical religions .... there's decades of idiocy fostered there (and here) and it will take a few generations to reverse that trend. All I'm saying is that the military aspect ... the mercs and jihadists who are willing to impose wahhabism on others by force .... will be significantly reduced in Syria and probably Iraq.
Wahhabism is a dead religion, like evangelical Xtianity. It can't support itself, it needs significant inputs from the larger society in terms of technology and money. Left to its own devices, it would starve its own followers.
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
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