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SIGNYM

Thursday, October 8, 2015 5:04 PM

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So to sum up: you agree you didn't answer my questions because they were beneath you, and yet you whine if I pass on one of your (really naive and obviously leading) questions.- G

If I'm "leading" you anywhere, it's to think about your own assumptions and draw conclusions from them. Which you steadfastly refuse to do. Think, that is. Well, it's your loss. It seems that you're comfortable having someone do you thinking for you.
-SIGNY

You have proven over and over you have no idea what my assumptions are. In fact, you make them up for me or presume the most negative ones so you can - what have I said before? - "fake argue against something or someone." You are about as fake as they come.-GSTRING

Well, GSTRING, fortunately for me, I don't have to make up your assumptions for you about the ME, because you said them quite plainly, right here:

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Only an idiot thinks there are actual answers and solutions in the ME. The political landscape shifts as much as the sands of the desert (omg what great metaphor). You're pretty much screwed whatever you do if you are there.

And now Russia thinks they will find answers - good luck to them. Probably more sad Russian mothers is what they'll get, mostly. They learned as little from Afghanistan as we did.

"Most visitors who die in the desert die no more than a mile from a well traveled road... They believe they can walk a short distance off the road and then when they look back the way looks unfamiliar... because the sands continually change, and then they are lost for all eternity."

"Entering a bathroom isn't like leaving it." - Arab proverb
meaning: it's easier to get yourself into something than out.

"The hand in water isn’t like the hand in fire." - Arab proverb
meaning: Easier said than done; used to criticize someone removed from the situation at hand who is telling those involved how to deal with it.

And so my question was.... assuming that what YOU say is true, does this mean that NO NATION outside of the mideast should become involved with setting up no-fly zones, invading, bombing, training/supplying etc? OR does this "lesson" only apply to Russia?

You imply that it's a universal lesson ... They learned as little from Afghanistan as we did. .... but refuse to explain whether or not YOUR ASSUMPTIONS extend to, say, France bombing Libya.

I've asked this question over a half-dozen times by now. You provided a pretty extensive rationale for your assumptions abut the mideast, and the question can be answered with a simple yes or no, but you somehow refuse to answer. And all I can think of is .... you don't like where that logical extension of your assumption is going.

You've tried pretty hard to distract everyone from the question. At that moment, you seemed to have some profound advice that you wanted to give the Russians.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 8, 2015 5:05 PM

John Kerry raises Syria no-fly zone despite Obama's skepticism

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Washington (CNN)Secretary of State John Kerry has raised the possibility of a no-fly zone in Syria to protect civilians even as President Barack Obama has consistently rejected the idea, several administration officials told CNN.

Officials said Kerry has asked his staff to further develop the idea and raised the issue at a National Security Council meeting last week, where Obama discussed the U.S. strategy for stemming the bloody civil war in Syria with his top advisers.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/06/politics/john-kerry-no-fly-zone-syri
a-obama/index.html?eref=edition

Rarely does a sitting Scy State come out so publicly for a policy that the President rejects. I've been wondering for quite some time whether the State Dept has been running its own foreign policy without Obama's concurrence or even knowledge .... was pretty sure that whatever Hillary was doing in Benghazi (running guns to Syria, supposedly) was not what Obama wanted or even knew about. I got the same feeling about Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland's plans for Ukraine, which run back towards her neocon husband Robert Kagan. It seems as if State is packed with a bunch of neocons who manage to push their neocon objectives foreward, no matter WHO is President! That explains a lot of the "one step forward and one step sideways" waffle of US foreign policy. I don't know why Obama keep picking Clinton-bots, because they keep stabbing him in the back.

Now poor Hillary is so far down in the polls, she's even saying that she's against the TPP "free trade" agreement, and against a "no fly" zone in Syria. What an idiot.

Anyway, the idea of a "no fly zone" was made moot when

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Russian Warships Launch 26 Cruise Missiles At ISIS Targets

On Monday evening, we detailed the Russian hardware being used in Moscow’s campaign to rout anti-regime forces and restore the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

As we noted in our preface to that feature, “watching Russia effectively humiliate the West by bragging day in and day out is nothing if it’s not amusing, and indeed the leaked diplomatic cable from 2006 which outlines Washington’s intent to effectively start a civil war in Syria leaves one completely uninclined to be at all sympathetic to the ridiculous situation the US and its allies have found themselves in.”

That, along with the fact that Western nations like France are not only unwilling to admit that the West's participation in Syria has been an outright disaster, but are now set to "correct" a refugee crisis by bombing the very place from which the refugees are fleeing leaves us inclined to highlight the following video (out today from the Russian Defense Ministry) that shows what happens when a military superpower decides that because an existing aerial campaign has become akin to shooting fish in a barrel, it might be time to do some sea-based target practice on a few Nike-wearing, black flag-waving jihadists…

Not only were these missiles launched from ships, those particular ships were over 1,500 MILES away in the Caspian Sea.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-07/caught-tape-russian-warships-
launch-26-cruise-missiles-isis-targets
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/middle-east/article
38067603.html

So keeping Russian planes out of Syria skies won't stop their bombing jihadist targets, and now the US, EU, Saudi, and Turkish military are forced to contemplate that fact that Russians have cruise missiles that can hit targets 10 times farther way than formerly advertised.

Also, watching how the various nations react to what's happening in Syria right now is an object lesson in their underlying foreign policies ... like sprinkling iron filings on a piece of paper and watching where they are attracted to reveals the magnet underneath. It's no surprise (to me) that France, the UK, and USA wind up on the same side as

KPO

Thursday, October 8, 2015 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
There's plenty more of our conversation still to cut and paste moron.

Good. Feel free to waste your time. My job here is done.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Thursday, October 8, 2015 7:00 PM

Assad begins new ground assault against Free Syrian Army targets softened by Russian bombing - with embarrassing results:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34471849
(video)

A good use of American weapons.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:36 PM

Gulf Arabs 'stepping up' arms supplies to Syrian rebels:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34479929

Apparently they're not ruling out sending surface to air missiles as well...

The article rounds off with a dire prediction:

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The senior Gulf official said he now feared what he called a "Grozny-style" scorched-earth approach by Russia towards Syria, laying waste to whole areas that opposed the government.

Coupled with the prospect of new and more powerful weapons flowing to the rebels, the indications are that Syria's war is about to get a whole lot worse.

Well, it looks to me like this recent escalation is going to blow up in everyone's faces, but let's hope the Russians' most of all.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Friday, October 9, 2015 12:10 AM

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and now the US, EU, Saudi, and Turkish military are forced to contemplate that fact that Russians have cruise missiles that can hit targets 10 times farther way than formerly advertised.

Or spectacularly miss them, as reports are suggesting - http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-land
ed-iran/index.html

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Friday, October 9, 2015 12:10 AM

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and now the US, EU, Saudi, and Turkish military are forced to contemplate that fact that Russians have cruise missiles that can hit targets 10 times farther way than formerly advertised.

Or spectacularly miss them, as reports are suggesting - http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-land
ed-iran/index.html

It's not personal. It's just war.

THGRRI

Friday, October 9, 2015 2:05 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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and now the US, EU, Saudi, and Turkish military are forced to contemplate that fact that Russians have cruise missiles that can hit targets 10 times farther way than formerly advertised.

Or spectacularly miss them, as reports are suggesting - http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-land
ed-iran/index.html

It's not personal. It's just war.

Exactly, Russia fires missals at Syria and they land in Iran.

90% of Muslims are Sunni. Russia is making sure to piss them off for the next hundred years. Go Russia...

SIGNYM

Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:04 PM

The official status report and look-ahead, from Russia's defense ministry, transcript
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50458

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Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu: Mr President, acting on your decision, since the 30th, we have been carrying out missions to strike ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra, and other terrorist groups present on Syrian territory. Since September 30, we have conducted strikes against 112 targets. We are increasing our strikes’ intensiveness. Our various intelligence and reconnaissance forces have been working intensively over these last two days and have identified a large number of ISIS targets: command posts, ammunition depots, military hardware, and training camps for their fighters. Vessels from our Caspian Fleet joined our aviation in attacking these targets this morning.

Four warships launched 26 Kalibr cruise missiles against 11 targets. Our target monitoring data shows that all targets were destroyed and civilian facilities were not damaged in the strikes. These strikes’ results demonstrate the high effectiveness of our missiles launched from a big distance of nearly 1,500 kilometres.

This morning, 23 attack aircraft also continued their strikes against insurgent positions. Since September 30, we have destroyed 19 command posts, 12 ammunition depots, 71 pieces of military hardware, and six explosives production workshops producing explosives for car bombs and so on. We are continuing our operations according to plan.

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Mr Shoigu, we know how complicated anti-terrorist operations of this kind are. It is still too early to assess the results, but what has been accomplished so far is certainly very positive. The Defence Ministry’s work overall, and the work of the experts at General Staff and our officers and service personnel in the field deserve a high assessment. Special thanks should go to the pilots at work in Syria, of course, and as this experience with using high-precision weapons shows, to the Caspian Fleet seamen.

The fact that these strikes were carried out using high-precision weapons launched from the Caspian Sea’s waters, around 1,500 kilometres away, and all of the planned targets were destroyed is evidence of our defence industry’s good preparation and the service personnel’s good professional skills.

At the same time, we realise that conflicts of this kind must end in a political settlement.

I discussed this matter just this morning with the Russian Foreign Minister. During my recent visit to Paris, the President of France, Mr Hollande, voiced an interesting idea that he thought is worth a try, namely, to have President Assad’s government troops join forces with the Free Syrian Army. True, we do not know yet where this army is and who heads it, but if we take the view that these people are part of the healthy opposition, if it were possible to have them join in the fight against terrorist organisations such as ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra and others, this would help pave the way to a future political settlement in Syria.

The Foreign Ministry will continue these efforts, given that we are in contact with practically all of the opposition forces, but I ask you too to support the Foreign Ministry’s efforts through your partnership channels. That is my first point.

Second, we must continue working with our foreign partners, because without their participation, without the participation of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United States, Iran, Iraq and other neighbouring countries, this work has little chance of being organised as it should.

In this respect, I have a question: What is the situation with work between our defence experts and their US and Turkish partners to coordinate things or at least keep each other informed?

Sergei Shoigu: We have organised contact with our Turkish partners. We now have direct communication between the Turkish army’s central command post and our National Defence Control Centre to organise our operations along the Turkish border so as to avoid incidents involvin

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