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Some direct links drawn between the Assad regime and ISIS: https://kyleorton1991.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/provocation-and-the-isl
amic-state-why-assad-strengthened-the-jihadists/
"Russia Is Sending Jihadis to Join ISIS" - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/23/russia-s-playing-a-do
uble-game-with-islamic-terror0.html
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:Yeah me too! Seen any pollsters in IS-controlled territory lately? I mean, ones who haven't been beheaded?
I'd be curious how they got responses from people living in ISIS controlled areas.
Quote:Not surprisingly, pollsters are actually able to operate in Assad-controlled territories. That should tell you about the relative freedom under IS versus Assad. HINT: Assad is better. Unless you want to make the ridiculous argument that Assad is worse than IS. If so, I'd be very interested to hear your explanation of how that is so.
Not surprising people living in gov controlled areas are more pro-asad.
Quote:ASSAD is fomenting terrorism in his nation?? Terrorism which has taken the oil=producing regions of Syria, and threatened Damascus? REALLY??? What are you: nuts???
"The Assad regime has perfected the role of being “at once an arsonist and a fireman,”
If we really want to find out how jihadists are managing to operate in Syria (and Iraq) how about if we follow the money?
The USA transshipped SAUDI and QATARI arms from Libya to jihadists in Syria
SAUDI ARABIA shipped arms and sent terrorists to Syria
The USA trained, armed, funded, and is providing satellite intel to "moderate" rebels (who turn out to be jihadists)
TURKEY laundered oil from IS-captured regions in Syria and Iraq, and allowed IS-bound recruits, arms, and money to flow across its border into Syria.
TURKEY is busy fighting one of the few effective anti-IS forces, the Kurds.
JORDAN provided training facilities for "moderate" rebels.
But, despite all of this, in your humble opinion, all of this near-death experience for Assad is ASSAD'S fault.
Wow.
I already wrote about what I learned from a Syrian Xtian. In his view, if Assad falls, you can expect a bloodbath. The "rebels" are hardcore fanatics who will kill Xtians, Allawites, Druze, Jews, and other minorities in Syria, and enslave women. (I wonder sometimes if you get your rock off on that thought: Enslaved women! Yum yum!)
So, you have a choice: Either Assad or IS. There are no other options. Which do you support? (If the USA-satellite photos just found in jihadist hands says anything, Obama supports IS and will continue to support IS, no matter what he says.)
Quote:Fixed it for you. YOU may not realize that Saudi Arabia has been using Muslim terrorists around the world, with the help and support of the USA ... but the rest of the world has figured it out by now. No, its not flattering, but it's the truth.
There are many "conclusions" one could draw from that polling - of course GSTRING and people of his ilk will look for the most flattering for the US (of all the data it's about the only one btw), all the while not realizing (or caring) how like blind stooges it makes them look.
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ASSAD is fomenting terrorism in his nation??
No doubt about it that he did initially. To what extent he still continues to do so one can only speculate. Assad releasing the most radical jihadists from its jails straight into the ranks of IS, and then the unspoken but obvious alliance between regime forces and IS in 2012-13, where neither side attacked the other and both sides attacked the other Syrian rebels... all of this is telling enough.
But then also look at how the regime has benefited from the rise of IS. On the battlefield it is undoubtedly stronger than it was 2-3 years ago, thanks to Assad being able to concentrate his forces, and even drawing help from IS in pummelling the rebels. In terms of propaganda and diplomatic cover IS is a godsend for Assad - all the pro-Assad arguments which you are faithfully parroting rely on creating a false dichotomy between Assad and IS. And while IS steals all the headlines for its gruesome tactics, Assad's forces continue to quietly kill civilians in much higher numbers, with minimal condemnation around the world.
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Around the beginning of the Syrian uprising, in March 2011, Assad once again released jihadists from the country's prisons. Simultaneously, tens of thousands of Syrian students, liberal activists and human rights advocates began being arrested. Their fates were recently documented by Human Rights Watch, which alleges that many have been detained arbitrarily, tortured and subjected to unfair trials.
Already at the beginning of the uprising, Assad vilified his opponents as members of al-Qaida, which wasn't true at the time. Some critics of the regime now claim that by releasing the jihadists from prison, Assad's intention was to quickly radicalize the opposition, discrediting it in the process. If that was his aim, it has certainly been a success.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/former-prisoners-fight-in-sy
rian-insurgency-a-927158.html
Another good article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11051566/Ho
w-Assad-helped-the-rise-of-his-foe-Isil.html
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:No doubt Saddam had WMD, Libyan rebels were freedom fighters, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt were pro-democracy.
ASSAD is fomenting terrorism in his nation?? -SIGNY
No doubt about it that he did initially
NEXT?
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Around the beginning of the Syrian uprising, in March 2011, Assad once again released jihadists from the country's prisons. Simultaneously, tens of thousands of Syrian students, liberal activists and human rights advocates began being arrested. Their fates were recently documented by Human Rights Watch, which alleges that many have been detained arbitrarily, tortured and subjected to unfair trials.
As I said, I asked a Syrian that I knew AT THE VERY BEGINNING of this so-called rebellion what he thought. Hesitantly, I said something like "I suppose that you're glad that the people are demanding democracy?" and he looked STARTLED. It's been a long time since I saw anyone so instantaneously, reflexively shocked.
I had just violated a very, very basic Syrian Xtian understanding of what life was about in Syria. His look said "You, a supposedly informed leftist ... are so taken in by the narrative that these anti-Assad "rebels" are just freedom-seeking liberals?"
That's when he very patiently, and with great restraint, informed me about the situation in Syria: Anti-Assad forces were almost uniformly Sunni jihadists. Minorities in Syria- the Allawites, Druze, Xtians, and Jews - looked on Assad as a bulwark against potential genocide.
So, you can forget the narrative of the Arab Spring: In Libya, Egypt, and Syria the so-called "students, liberal activists and human rights advocates" were often, from the very beginning, wahabbi-based jihadists of various stripes.
Quote:There was no ISIS in 2012. What are you talking about? How can Assad have allied with something that didn't even exist?
the unspoken but obvious alliance between regime forces and IS in 2012-13
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GSTRING, the choice is between Assad and ISIS.
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GSTRING, the choice is between Assad and ISIS.- SIGNY
No it isn't - it's never as simple as that, not in the ME - or maybe you hadn't noticed any history?- GSTRING
And, what do you think the options are? Aside from ISIS and Assad, that is.
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Only an idiot thinks there are actual answers and solutions in the ME.
So, in your opinion there are no options, and nothing will help.
If that's the case, should the USA (or the EU, or perhaps anyone from outside of the region) be involved in any way? Should any foreign nation be involved in bombing/ invading/ creating no-fly zones/ sending arms and intel to/ any nation in the ME?
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It's not a trick question, G. I'm simply asking you to expand on your assumption.
Meanwhile ...
Chinese Navy sets off for Syria
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According to the Russian Senator Igor Morozov, Beijing has taken decision to take part in combating IS and sent its vessels to the Syrian coast.
Igor Morozov, member of the Russian Federation Committee on International Affairs claimed about the beginning of the military operation by China against the IS terrorists. "It is known, that China has joined our military operation in Syria, the Chinese cruiser has already entered the Mediterranean, aircraft carrier follows it," Morozov said.
According to him, Iran may soon join the operation carried out by Russia against the IS terrorists, via Hezbollah. Thus, the Russian coalition in the region gains ground, and most reasonable step of the US would be to join it. Although the stance of Moscow and Washington on the ways of settlement of the Syrian conflict differs, nonetheless, low efficiency of the US coalition acts against terrorists is obvious. Islamists have just strengthened their positions.
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/25-09-2015/132137-china-0/
If true, this represents a significant escalation by China.
I think that Russia and China analysts think that the USA is using jihadists of various persuasions to attack Russia and China at their "underbelly" ... Chechnya, Xinjiang, Azerbaijan etc. There are Uyghur (Chinese Muslims) jihadists active throughout Xinjiang, in fact Uyghurs terrorists were arrested for a bombing of Chinese cultural shrine in Thailand. Uyghur terrorists are also fighting in Syria. Looks like Russia, China(?), Iran, and Hezbollah have decided to face down the USA-Turkish-Saudi axis of terrorism.
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Only an idiot thinks there are actual answers and solutions in the ME.- G
So, in your opinion there are no options, and nothing will help.
If that's the case, should the USA (or the EU, or perhaps anyone from outside of the region) be involved in any way? Should any foreign nation be involved in bombing/ invading/ creating no-fly zones/creating "safe zones"/sending arms and intel to any nation in the ME?
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