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The State of Freedom in Ukraine

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 9, 2025 04:23
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SIGNYM

Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:05 PM

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I think it's time I go the way of G. Talking with some of you here is depressing to say the least. It's hard for me to dummy myself down in an attempt to converse with whack jobs.

I take what you say seriously ... until you start substituting personal attacks for substantive discussion, that is (which is most of the time.)

The problem with you is that you're like RAPPY and other totally propagandized here - you don't know HOW to have a discussion! Do you really think that you're "talking with" anyone here?

HAHAHA! You're not. "Talking with" someone usually involves listening and responding on-point, and then listening to the response and then responding on-point. YOU haven't done that ... well, ever, as far as I can tell. No wonder you feel depressed and frustrated!

Go away, then. Come back when you know how to have a discussion.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 12, 2015 10:07 PM

Kiev junta launches a large scale attack on Novorossia right in time for Russian Orthodox Easter

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Shells are whistling again over the cities of Donbass. In Donetsk the sirens of ambulances and emergency services are heard. Under fire: Kievsky district, Oktyabrsky village, Panfilov mine village, Gladkova, Severny, Putilovka.

The entire evening of April 9 there was a battle in the village of Spartak and near Peski. The punishers used artillery guns, tanks, mortars, heavy barreled artillery. Under the cover of artillery, the enemy attempted to seize the positions of the militia in Spartak and near the airport. During the battle, this attempt was severely suppressed.

Also suddenly the positions of the militia near the town of Yasynovataya were attacked. There was a battle using small arms. To the West of Petrovsky district of Donetsk working mortars are also heard, as well as grenade launchers and heavy machine guns.

From the occupied Volnovakha Dokuchayevsk was fired on. The outskirts of the city are under a heavy fire of the enemy, the people are hiding in shelters fearing the assault on the city by the punishers, who have assembled the biggest formation in this area of about 8 thousand people.

According to a resident of Dokuchayevsk, "Locals demand that the militia do not leave them alone and hold positions at any cost, women are hysterically crying, saying that Ukrainians will go into the city and start a massacre. Older women bless the passing trucks with soldiers and pray for the victory and a speedy liberation to the district from the Ukrainian troops".

Over Donetsk about a dozen enemy drones were spotted, one of which was shot down near the Lidiyevka mine.

Kiev launches attacks, is capable of a dirty bomb says Secretary of Kiev's National and Security Defense Council Aleksander Turchynov
Since the "share" feature of Youtube doesn't seem to be working, "copy/paste" and remove the space between youtube. and com
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=F_i4G07zf58
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 12, 2015 10:18 PM

Agence France-Presse: Ukraine outlaws Communist names in fresh break with Soviet past

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Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine on Thursday outlawed Communist names, symbols and even songs in a fresh break with the country's Soviet past as its soldiers fight pro-Russian separatists in the east.
The legislation, which also targets Nazi propaganda was adopted by 254 votes in favour in the 450-member parliament, or Rada.
It bans all symbols and propaganda representing "the totalitarian Communist and Nazi regimes" -- from street names and flags, to monuments and plaques.
For the former Soviet republic it could mean a major overhaul of public buildings and town squares across the country, with Lenin Streets to be renamed and any remaining statue of the Soviet leader removed.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/agence-france-presse-uk
raine-outlaws-communist-names-in-fresh-break-with-soviet-past-385796.html

Will the Wolfsangel, favored by the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, also be removed, as well as any references to Bandera?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:28 PM

Will the Wolfsangel, favored by the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, also be removed, as well as any references to Bandera?

And who's going to remove them?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 17, 2015 11:12 PM

Ukraine conflict: Pro-Russia journalist Oles Buzyna killed

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A Ukrainian journalist known for his pro-Russian views has been shot dead in the capital Kiev.Oles Buzyna, 45, was killed by shots fired from a car, Interior Ministry adviser Anton Gerashchenko said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32337621

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:51 AM

Does this mean you folk are still arguing about whether the invading Russian Special Forces in Ukraine have invaded, or are still present, or are still denying the facts?

1KIKI

Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:12 AM

Still can't figure out the topic?

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:40 AM

Ukrainian neo-nazis from Azov batallion burned alive a Novorossia resistance fighter on a cross (video 18+)

http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Ukrainian-neo-n
azis-from-Azov-batallion-burned-alive-a-Novorossia-resistance-fighter-on-a-cross-video-18_printer.shtml

Let's hope it's not true.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:04 PM

Because nothing says ANTICORRUPTION like appointing a politician from a neighboring country who has been indicted for .... what was that again? Oh yeah- embezzlement, abuse of power, and politically-motivated attacks. This foreigner will become governor to the Odessa region: EXACTLY what the people need!

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Georgia's former President Mikhail Saakashvili, wanted by his country's prosecutors for embezzlement, abuse of power and politically-motivated attacks, has been appointed governor of Ukraine's Odessa region.

President Petro Poroshenko personally appointed Saakashvili to the post, saying the former Georgian leader is "a friend of Ukraine." In a statement at Saakashvili's nomination in Odessa, Poroshenko said the two had known each other for 25 years, since university days.

According to Poroshenko, Saakashvili "has proven with deeds, not words that he can not only give birth to creative ideas, but also put them into practice." He added Georgia's ex-president had changed his country "in the direction of transparency, effectiveness, anti-corruption, appeal for foreign investors, fair justice, protection of citizen's rights, democracy," something Poroshenko "would like to see very much" in Odessa.

Earlier on Saturday, Saakashvili was given Ukrainian citizenship under Petro Poroshenko's personal decree, published on his website. According to the Ukrainian constitution, only a citizen can become an official at governor level.

Mikhail Saakashvili left Georgia in autumn 2013, days before his presidential term expired. He has been living abroad ever since.

In spring 2014, Georgia's new ruling coalition accused Saakashvili of embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars from the state budget. According to Georgian officials' accounts, he spent the money on parties and expensive presents for his nearest and dearest. Saakshvili denies the charges, saying the funds went to attracting foreign investors to the country. Georgia's prosecutors have started an investigation into the case.

Read moreUkraine refuses to extradite ex-Georgian President Saakashvili

There are several other criminal cases ongoing against Mikhail Saakashvili. He is being accused of abuse of power during the crackdown on anti-government protests in the Georgian capital Tbilisi on November 7, 2007. He was also allegedly involved in the attack on the opposition TV station Imedi, which was seized by Georgian special forces on the same day, and the appropriation of the founder's assets.

During his term, Saakashvili personally controlled the country's special forces. After his opponents came to power, the force was removed from the head of state's direct command, and its documents declassified.

In February 2015, Georgia issued an extradition request for Saakashvili, but Ukraine declined it.

The Russian Foreign Ministry's human rights representative Konstantiv Dolgov has made a sarcastic comment about Saakashvili's new post. "Saakashvili, accused of multiple crimes against the people of Georgia, has been appointed the governor of Odessa, where neo-nazis had burned people alive and got no punishment," Dolgov said on Twitter, referring to the May 2014 fire in which dozens opponents of the Maidan movement perished.

"This is deeply symbolic of 'Kiev-style democracy', which the West is still watching with shameful approval!" the Russian official added.

Saakashvili has been a long-time supporter of the current Kiev administration, ever since its heads were leaders of the Maidan movement which toppled the former Ukrainian president in the February 2014 coup. He came to Kiev to support the protesters during the rioting. Before the latest appointment, Saakashvili was Poroshenko's advisor on reform.

In his new post, Saakashvili says he plans to turn the port city of Odessa into "the capital of the Black Sea." In an address following his nomination, he said: "It is very important for me to

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SIGNYM

Saturday, July 4, 2015 7:55 PM

"Volunteers" make up a significant portion of Kiev's fighting force. Rather than being set up by the Ministry of Defense, the "volunteer" units were set up in parallel by the Interior Ministry, calling on all patriotic Ukrainians to volunteer for what they called a "National Guard". Predictably, since the head of the Right (Nazi) Sektor (Yarosh) was behind this, the volunteer/national guard forces have taken in a distinctly Nazi flavor, with groups such as the Azov and Adair battalions flying/wearing the Nazi swastika and wolfsangel (Here is Azov ... you can see their name in the background as A3OB with all of their beloved Nazi symbolism)

All of that is to put this in context, so you know "who" the "volunteer" units are un Ukraine.

Torture, rape and murder accusations swirl around Luhansk "volunteer" unit

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During a Shuster Live television show aired on June 19, Ukraine’s Chief Military Prosecutor Anatoly Matios cited alleged eyewitness testimony given by prisoners held by Tornado. The prisoners were “beaten on their legs, buttocks and thighs,” as well as genitalia, he claimed.

Some prisoners were forced to rape other prisoners, he added. “(Tornado fighters) stripped prisoners naked,put them on a concrete floor and poured water on them,” Matios said. “They put a bare electric cable on their heads and genitalia.”

Tornado fighters deny the charges.

http://www.kyivpost.com/multimedia/photo/gbcnbvbnvbn-392002.html

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.