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The State of Freedom in Ukraine

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 5, 2015 8:59 PM

Out of all of the so-called "inalienable" rights that Americans like to blather about (if they were really so inalienable, so many people wouldn't be forcibly separated from them!) the most important is the right to life. Because, of course, without that, you can't enjoy any of the other "rights" that you think are due.

Ukraine in general, Kiev in particular, and Nazis especially, are no more tolerant of gays than their Russian Nazi compatriots. The difference is that last I heard, Russian Nazis aren't welcome in Russian society, and Russian Nazis aren't killing thousands of people.

Your priorities are skewed, and your arithmetic is absent. Like I said: start counting bodies first. It will help orient you as to who is the worse violator of "human rights".

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:36 PM

So, let's see ... leftwing parties banned in Ukraine. Miners shot at by Aidair (Nazi) battalion. 80% (according to a sideways reference in interview of Kiev official) of people in Mariupol side with the Novorossians, held in check by the rightwing battalions. Rightwing battalions in Kiev threaten a(nother) coup. Firefight between rightwing battalions and government forces in Transcarpathia (which has its own burgeoning separatist movement, since most people there speak Hungarian or Rusyn ... which is NOT a form of Russian!) Local elections in the Kiev-controlled area of the Donbas are canceled. Reporters arrested, beaten, and/or killed. Opposition politicians arrested, harrassed, and killed.

Poroshenko, by report,, is an advanced drunk, just like Yeltsin. And like Yeltsin, he's presiding over a disintegrating nation with the support of the USA.

Here is an interesting interview by former Rada (Ukrainian Parliament) member Tatyana Montoyan, a Ukrainian politician and party-independent candidate.

No representation is made of its veracity.

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Interviewer:
Tatiana Montyan joining us today. We will start with a serious subject - in a few of your interviews and videos you have mentioned that Ukrainian economy is in a “war economy stage”, so what can you tell us about what it is and how does it work?

Montyan:
It works very simply: the biggest money is to be made at the war, so all the efforts are obviously concentrated on earning money on the war, and keeping the war going and keeping the money flowing.

First off, the main thing is stealing the military budget. Lying to people that we are about to be invaded by Russia, that there are millions of troops on the border... It's much easier to simply steal the military budgets instead of spending money on things truly important to society. They are the first and main target of the war economy.
So how does the money get stolen? The more volunteers, or forcibly conscripted people grabbed off the street, can be pushed into encirclements and killed by the thousands, the more people can be used as an excuse to steal a huge amount of salaries, weapons, gear. That's the main profit.

Separatists with telling me - “What, they really think in Ukraine that Putin is sending us weapons across the border? We just buy them from the Ukrainians!” They sell the weapons and gear that were supposed to be given to the people who are now rotting in Ilovaisk, Debaltsevo, Lutugino, and other encirclements. UAF is not reporting losses mainly to be able to steal the salaries, weapons, and gear those people were supposed to have. And of course, if a person is “missing in action” and not actually reported killed, his family doesn't need to be paid any sort of compensation, so that's another benefit.

Then, of course, the checkpoints that everybody “loves” - where smuggling is going through in huge columns of trucks and the money for it goes to the people holding checkpoints. And to get to run a checkpoint you have to pay our glorious Army a huge amount of money - this has been discussed and discussed again, everywhere.

And we can not forget the category of people that are the so-called “volunteer helpers”. Of course, some of them are naïve and stupid and don't understand that if they collect the money and aid for the army, and do the job that the Ministry of Defense and the government is supposed to be doing, they are taking that task away from the government and letting it steal more money, therefore exacerbating the problem.

But there are also a lot of people who are actually stealing the money that they are supposedly collecting for “the front and victory” and we already had plenty of scandals like that, and some people are even in prison for stealing.

So these are the four simplest kinds of earning money on the war, and this is not even talking about looting and all of that. And of course, looting doesn't start at the bottom - in order to be able to rob with impunity, you have to

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SIGNYM

Saturday, August 15, 2015 1:40 AM

SITREP

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The Russia media is reporting that today Donetsk was hit by a record 800 artillery shells. The Telmanovo suburb was hit particularly hard, but the shelling was also very violent in the airport region. Furthermore, DNR intelligence services have reported a steady movement of Ukronazi forces towards the line of contact. These forces include tanks and artillery systems, even multiple rocket launchers. Yesterday, a group of 8 tanks backed by armoured personnel carriers attempted to attack Novorussian positions, but there were beat back. Two Ukronazi tanks were destroyed. Does that mean that a junta attack is imminent?

Maybe.

The logical conclusion would be that yes, indeed, an attack is imminent and that the current Ukronazi attacked are probing attack, reconnaissance by fire, to test the Novorussian defenses. It makes no sense at all the bring in more and more forces and then keep the in the field doing nothing. But then, the junta has done so many illogical and plain stupid things during this war that I would not put it past them to just move forces and order shelling to, say, “impress” the British Defense Secretary. This is a time tested Ukronazi policy: every time some high ranking western official shows up on Kiev, they beg for money and show their “magnificent” resolve to “defend Europe against the Russian hordes”. Shelling civilians is usually how this resolve is demonstrated by the Ukronazis.

Still, even though it may sound like we are crying wolf, we should keep on reporting that the junta forces are poised for an attack regardless of whether this attack actually materializes or not, if only because that is yet another direct violation of even the very first provisions of M2A which, as I have been saying for weeks now, is dead, dead, dead, dead and dead. The only reason why so many pretend that it is not is because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate. Still, M2A was stillborn and never had a chance. As long as a Nazi junta is in power in Kiev there is no hope for peace. None.

http://thesaker.is/news-flash-donetsk-hit-by-over-800-artillery-strike
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No representation is made of its accuracy.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Saturday, August 15, 2015 8:27 PM

Attacks and harrassment of OSCE teams based in Donetsk, and a ramping up of Russian propaganda of supposed Ukrainian army outrages... Could be the groundwork of a new separatist offensive. We'll see.

It's not personal. It's just war.

SIGNYM

Monday, September 21, 2015 8:19 AM

Poroshenko bans…well, everyone. (including 3 BBC journalists)

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Petro Poroshenko has just stepped on his western supporters’ narrative of a glorious, free and happy post-Maidan Ukraine, by rather embarrassingly banning a whole slew of people from setting foot in his country – including “at least three” BBC employees. Nobody seems to know why. Either because they are a “threat to national interests” or because they are helping the “terrorists.” The list is vague.

Andrew Roy, the BBC’s foreign editor, said “This is a shameful attack on media freedom,” but the BBC website is burying the story of their own journalists being banned inside another item about how the rebel elections are a “threat to peace.”

The Guardian reports the story but does its best with its headline to give the impression there’s some sanity behind it all…

http://off-guardian.org/2015/09/17/poroshenko-bans-well-everyone/

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Monday, September 21, 2015 5:07 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Poroshenko bans…well, everyone. (including 3 BBC journalists)

Old, out of date news. Kiev has removed the BBC journalists and several other foreign journalists from the sanctions list.

It's not personal. It's just war.

SIGNYM

Monday, September 21, 2015 9:59 PM

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Old, out of date news. Kiev has removed the BBC journalists and several other foreign journalists from the sanctions list.

Oh, so you KNEW about the sanctions list on foreign journalists when it happened but chose not to mention it here because it was ... what, irrelevant to the state of freedom in Ukraine?

You mean, you engaged in fact selection because there was a story that wasn't very flattering to your pet nation?

Yeah, I knew about that a while back, too.

I just wanted to see how objective you were being about Ukraine.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:20 PM

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Oh, so you KNEW about the sanctions list on foreign journalists when it happened but chose not to mention it here because it was ...

Because.. why would I? If I wanted to highlight restrictions on the press in a particular country there are many much worse than Ukraine to talk about. Like Russia. Speaking of which, I seem to have missed your thread on the state of freedom in Russia, where is it?

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Yeah, I knew about that a while back, too.

Lol, Sig.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Friday, September 25, 2015 3:57 PM

We all know the state of freedom in Russian-occupied Ukraine is terrible, but now it's about to get worse:

Separatists order UN agencies to leave - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34355394

It's not personal. It's just war.

SIGNYM

Friday, September 25, 2015 6:03 PM

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Oh, so you KNEW about the sanctions list on foreign journalists when it happened but chose not to mention it here because it was an unflattering picture- SIGNY

Because.. why would I? - KPO

Yes, indeed! Why would you? You have no interest in being objective, and so in a thread about the state of freedom in Ukraine, you choose to ignore significant facts which don't forward your argument. Because god forbid you should be even-handed!

What a tool. I know you try to present yourself as honest, but you just admitted you have no reason to be.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.