Worst Episode?
POSTED BY: hellsangel
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 22:11
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What to say about season seven? Well I'm re-watching season seven presently. Just two more to go.
It's more enjoyable second time around but the holes are bigger and there are far more of them than previous seasons.
I think the main struggle I have with it is the fact that at one point there were five people in a room (sorry can't remember the episode). Xander, Anya, Willow, Spike and Andrew. Now they're all fighting evil right ?- but four out of those five characters had killed one or more people in past episodes: Anya, Willow, Spike and Andrew, and all had at one time or other wanted to destroy or rule the world... and yet now they're helping to fight and save it? I did my best to go along with it but I just felt that for Xander , a natural character development would have been to take Dawn and Buffy and get the hell outa there. Go to the beach or summit ! Why save these psycho friends ! The writers have these guys change their megalomania about as quickly as they change a pair of socks... and I think this is too convenient. After a while logic is dispensed with far too readily and without enough groundwork. It comes across as too contrived.
"Oh I'm not evil now, I was but now I'm better" - Can you guess which character said that? Right almost all of them. It was far to overused a line for character redemption.... Convenient you might say.
However I don't wish to say only negative things about season seven, there were some fine moments: the new principal with a taste for vengeance was nice, under developed but nice; Andrew was very funny at times, has to be said, he made it funny. Spike with a soul, engaging to a point, and the Watchers' council being taken out was tense. Plus there are some pretty decent demons in there too.
All of which make it a very enjoyable season - just not the best and not nearly as engaging as one would have hoped given that it was the shows finalé, and maybe that's the disappointment. It was the end and you expect so much from the end that maybe it was never going to be able to sustain our expectations... Who knows.
It's still a sublime ride though and I'm glad I have all seven seasons on DVD. They're still enjoyable to watch and very entertaining. Even with it's worst episodes Buffy the Vampire Slayer still rules!
The
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Those complaining about the way BtVS ended in "Chosen" should watch that episode then immediately go back and watch "Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest". You'll see that the seeds for that ending were sown by Joss right from the beginning of the show.
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
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Originally posted by bikisdad:
Those complaining about the way BtVS ended in "Chosen" should watch that episode then immediately go back and watch "Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest". You'll see that the seeds for that ending were sown by Joss right from the beginning of the show.
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Yes, and I commented on it previously in the "What did you think of season 7?" thread. The most obvious point of connection exists when you compare the ending of the harvest (Buffy, Xander, & Willow walking away from Giles while speaking about trite matters) to the moment before the decent into the bowels of the High School where the core 4 (Giles, Buffy, Willow, & Xander) speak about equally trite matters as the camera pans them in frame.
HOWEVER, to simply say that the entire ending of season 7, and thus the entire show as well, was completely set up in Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest is not correct. Some bits, like the previously mentioned panning sequence, are clear connections. This I cannot argue. But the only thing I can further agree on is that seeds were sown for the destruction of Sunnydale the City. The rest of the episode, and also season 7, are largely concoctions by the writing staff of BtVS, with whom I have many bones to pick.
So I'll say this. When season 1 started I agree that Joss had it in his mind that Sunnydale the city would be destroyed whenever the series ran out of time. (Which I believe was to be season 8, except SMG became grouchy) This does not mean, however, that season 7 itself has any overall merit when measured against the other seasons. I will also say that the point-of-order of the angst I feel towards season 7 is centered on two terrible mistakes 1. Willow's character violation and 2. The multiple slayers violating the main theme "One Girl in All the World" You'll never prove to me that those things were sown in Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest.
Do not fear me. Ours is a peaceful race, and we must live in harmony.
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Personally, I believe one of the biggest faults in season 7 to be when Buffy tells Xander that he is the only one she can truly count on, and thats why she wants him to take Dawn and get the hell out... wasn't this the same Xander who helped overthrow Buffy from the leadership role just one episode earlier?
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MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.
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Either "Doublemeat Palace" or "Hell's Bells". Probably DM gets the nod. But IMHO, Seasons 6 and 7 unfortunately produced a lot of worthy nominees.
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I'm now re-watching season six. Watched double meat palace last night and I have to say it is very weak. Shame too as it was writen by my favourite Buffy writer (after Joss of course) :( Jane Espenson Maybe they had a really tough deadline with it :?
Have to say though season six is generally not on the same level at all. The episodes feel rushed and not as well rounded.
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All the Way. Without a doubt, that was the worst 45 minutes of television that Mutant Enemy have ever produced. It was juvenile; it focussed on annoying, unsympathetic characters; the metaphors were clumsy and obvious. I could go on... and on... and on. I really hate that episode.
Neither Season 6 or season 7 bothered me on the whole. I agree thet were both flawed, but I could nit-pick about any of the other seasonsas well. I actually found seasons 6 & 7 to be a massive improvement on season 5.
"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."
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I don't know about worst eps, but the worst season, imo, was Season 7, which was surprising because I thought 6 was the the strongest overall. The potentials (especially Kennedy) really ruined Season 7 for me. The only bright spots that year were Spike and Andrew. Other than that though, I think Buffy got better every year. I've never understood the dislike of Season 6. I guess people don't like it because it's a lot darker than the other seasons, but that's what I found most interesting. Also, it is the first season I saw, so maybe that has something to do with me liking it more.
And what's wrong with "Hell's Bells"? That's one of my all time favorite eps!
Seasons (Best to Worst)
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Originally posted by gtman8503:
I don't know about worst eps, but the worst season, imo, was Season 7, which was surprising because I thought 6 was the the strongest overall. The potentials (especially Kennedy) really ruined Season 7 for me. The only bright spots that year were Spike and Andrew. Other than that though, I think Buffy got better every year. I've never understood the dislike of Season 6. I guess people don't like it because it's a lot darker than the other seasons, but that's what I found most interesting. Also, it is the first season I saw, so maybe that has something to do with me liking it more.
And what's wrong with "Hell's Bells"? That's one of my all time favorite eps!
Seasons (Best to Worst)
6
5
4
3
2
1
7
I so agree with you. Season six was my favorite by far. Each year had special episodes that really stand out. "Once More With Feeling" will always be one of my favorites.
Season one was the weekest for me. Not sure I can pick a specific episode out of that year.
I must say, even a bad episode of Buffy is better than anything that is on TV right now!
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