How does Buffy rate along side of Firefly?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 7, 2005 17:40
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If we're talking about that kid Richie who's a meatball!
Then yes I think I am.
Shhhh Here come the Klopeks
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I could never choose. I love all three of Joss' Mutant Enemy shows.
Buffy and Angel have a richer landscape, obviously, thanks to hundreds of episodes (combined) being produced and all of them taking place in the same "universe". Both shows are bolstered by fine writing and acting.
But I have to admit Firefly captured my imagination a bit quicker than the other two shows.
I can't choose!! Thankfully I don't have to. I recommend renting the Buffy/Angel dvds or borrowing them from a friend. At best you will discover two amazing shows. At worst you won't feel like you wasted your time.
mattro
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Chrisisall, just a word of warning about Buffy. Don't be put off by the sometimes slow first season (which is only 12 episodes). Some of the episodes there are ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to understanding what comes next in the fantastic seasons two and three.
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
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Everything has already been said in this thread about Buffy and Angel, but I just have to put in another vote for Blakse 7. One of the alltime great sci-fi dramas, and a HUGE influence on Firefly. "The Train Job" even pays direct homage to it, lifting this passage of dialogue from B7:
"Nice shot."
"I was aiming for his head!"
"I like smackin' 'em!" - Jayne Cobb
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I'm agreeing with who ever on here said that BtVS, AtS, and FF are all like children that you love equally for very different reasons. Lemme explain...
BtVS: Basic starter metaphor: High School is Hell
-Being a teenager is hard, even harder when you have super powers that are in place to protect the rest of the world from knowing about all the evilly-badness. Having friends helps, a good father figure too, but nothing makes growing up easy. Personally, Buffy at it's finest could make you laugh one second and move you to tears the next. Summed up nicely in The Gift by Buffy: "The hardest thing in this world, is to live in it" Personally I prefer Seasons 3 through 6, I liked the series when it started getting darker and harder for Buffy. Like Joss, I do not like people making with the happy 24-7 Which brings us to:
Angel: Basic starter metaphor (as per Joss): Angel's like a recovering alcoholic, who's got a lot of past ills to make up for; a lot of people he hurt, and if he isn't careful, he'll turn right back into that alcoholic. It's about walking that fine line between redemption and damnnation. To me Angel is a show about being in your 20s, learning to cope with the world around you, learning that good doesn't always mean right, and that sometimes the biggest monster in your life is yourself. Angel is a lot darker than Buffy.
Now Personally I have to say I love all three series. Buffy was about high school, Angel is about your first steps into the real world, and Firefly was about realizing the world isn't a nice place, the only thing that makes it survivable is the people around you, and you can only take it one day at a time. I think that they all serve a different purpose.
When I first watched Buffy I was in high school, and when I returned to the series I was in my early 20s and I caught season six, which is the darkest, and to me the season I can relate to the most. Everyone finds a season or episodes of Buffy that they can relate to. Same with Angel, same with Firefly.
If you were only to see a handful of Buffy epidose from each season, this is what I personally would recommend:
S.1: Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest (2 part), Angel, Prophecy Girl
S.2: When She Was Bad, School Hard, Halloween, What's My Line part I & II, Surprise, Innocence, Passion, I Only Have Eyes For You, Becoming Part I & II
S.3: "Faith, Hope and Trick," Band Candy, Lover's Walk, The Wish, Amends (only so you get season 7), Bad Girls, Consequences, Dopplegangland, Earshot (preempted cos of Columbine, good poignant episode), Graduation Part I and II
S.4: The Harsh Light of Day, Wild At Heart, Pangs, Something Blue, Hush, This Year's Girl, Who Are You?, Superstar, Primeval, Restless
S.5: The Real Me, No Place like Home, Fool For Love, Into the Woods, Checkpoint, Crush, The Body, Forever, Spiral, The Gift
S.6: Bargaining Part I & II, Life Serial, Once More With Feeling (musical), Tabula Rasa, Smashed, Wrecked, Hell's Bells, Entropy, Seeing Red, Villians, Two to Go, Grave
S.7: Beneath You, Help, Selfless, Conversations With Dead People, The Killer in Me, Storyteller, Lies My Parents Told Me, Dirty Girls, Empty Places, Touched, End of Days, Chosen
I'm not listing Angel, but I say if you catch a couple of epsiodes on FX, Fox latenight or the WB latenight, you'll get hooked. Angel too.
Now I have to immediately dig out all my dvds and watch my favs. And to think I just got done rewatching FF for like the 8th or 10th time!
-A
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BlackEyedGirl, thanks so much for the starting tips for virgins like myself (few as there may be). I've got a lot to catch up on, almost enough to keep me busy 'till the BDM!
Thanks everyone else, too!
The much, MUCH obliged Chrisisall
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Everything has already been said in this thread about Buffy and Angel, but I just have to put in another vote for Blakse 7. One of the alltime great sci-fi dramas, and a HUGE influence on Firefly. "The Train Job" even pays direct homage to it, lifting this passage of dialogue from B7:
"Nice shot."
"I was aiming for his head!"
Hoorah!
Thanks SpikeandJezebel! Also, have you ever noticed how much Firefly looks like the Liberator? You could use the same tagline for both... a bunch of dodgy reprobates fleeing the interstellar government trying to survive. (not pretty but it'll do)
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I was referring to Rockin' Ricky Rialto, the voice of Kingston Falls in Gremlins, wanted to see ifn' you'd pick that up, what with me bein' a BIG Gremlins fan (didn't much care for the second one, though).
Who are the Klopeks?
Light light Chrisisall
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Agreed - I always thought Firefly might end up more like B7, down the line if Mal took up the fight against the government again and lead the new revolution. Ahhh, what might have been!
Other B7 references I've noticed in Joss' work are Spike's "limiter" chip in Buffy, and the finale of Angel, which reminded me of the last episode of B7.
I'm on the verge of buying a region free DVD player so I can get Blakes 7 on DVD, as there is no word on a region 1 release yet - Aarrgghh!
"I like smackin' 'em!" - Jayne Cobb
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I was referring to Rockin' Ricky Rialto, the voice of Kingston Falls in Gremlins, wanted to see ifn' you'd pick that up, what with me bein' a BIG Gremlins fan (didn't much care for the second one, though).
Who are the Klopeks?
Light light Chrisisall
Hey Big C looks like we're about to disagree on something!!!! Shock!!!!
I much prefer Gremilns II - the new batch!!! The first one for me was far too sugary and cute - the second one was just totally Tex Avery - I mean the film even tears midway through !!! Fantastic. I saw it in the cinema when it was released and I was about the only guy laughing....
I got the reference by the way - but I was taking it one step further - Y'see Gremilns was directed by the great Joe Dante who later went on to direct the much underated "The Burbs". In The Burbs is a character called Ricky played by Corey Feldman, who is a bit of a metal head. Anyway Bruce Dern who plays his neighbour calls him a Meatball! after Ricky comments on Bruce Dern's Wife having no tan lines. This he says while plunging a paint brush into a pot of paint making squelching sounds! It's a bloody funny film - very subtle - has me cracking up hugely!!!
Anyway the Klopeks are the secretive Neighbours from Hell who live next door to Tom Hankswho he obsesses over as he belives them to be digging graves in their back garden.
However back tracking a tad - I love Gremlins for the film references in it. In particular the Time Machine :)
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