Western or Southern ?
POSTED BY: ELKA
UPDATED: Thursday, November 7, 2002 03:31
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Originally posted by ELKA:
But, to go Back to the beginning, ALL i was trying to say was that in the West as we think of it (all this studd below references 'Shindig'):
1)men didn't get all dressed up and pretified in frock coats and scarfy neck ties.
2)women didn't wear fancy ruffly dresses with hoop skirts and get all gussied.
3) slaves...slave labor...mentioned a lot in that episode.
4) they didn't have Catillions with ornate ballrooms, ladies and gentleman dressed up in all their finery, and buffet tables with 'some kinda hot cheese' on them.
The planet in that episode was not supposed to represent the west. It was the east. So you see? Not all the planets Serentiy goes to are one-horse planets. In fact, that planet even had flying cars. Neato!
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At first it's just a place, and then you start to make memories and then it's like... that's where Spike slept, and there... that's where Anya and I drowned the Separvo demon and right here, here's where my heart got all ripped out... I really hate this place
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Oh yes, and we Texans definately consider ourselves southern.
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Sorry, elka, your wrong. The major western goldrush was in 1848-9, with the Alaskan rushes happening in 1896 and `98, but the west was already settled by then.
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Sorry, elka, your wrong. The major western goldrush was in 1848-9, with the Alaskan rushes happening in 1896 and `98, but the west was already settled by then.
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Originally posted by Rhea:
Again, if you take the analogy too far, it'll break down. Firefly isn't the Old West, it's in the future.
I agree...it's metaphorical, not about replicating the Old West in outer space. The series definitely borrows from the Western genre, especially the idea that many Civil War vets became gunfighters, bounty hunters and plain criminals after the terrible conflict (See James gang for historical reference). Other vets headed West for adventure and wealth (see Earps) after the war.
If Persephone was settled some 200-500 years ago (after Earth was used up), I would think that, over time, a culture started, changed, evolved, devolved into what appeared in Shindig. That includes the customs (fencing duel), fashion (hoop skirts), laws, etc.
If you think about it, the society on some of these frontier planets are more than likely a lot older than the United States.
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Originally posted by ELKA:
...that the Civil War wasn't really about slavery, it was about state's individual rights, taxes, and labour costs.
Not what I learned in college history but, of course, I'm sure there are different schools of thought in California & South Carolina....
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Originally posted by truk:Quote:
Not what I learned in college history but, of course, I'm sure there are different schools of thought in California & South Carolina....
I'm from South Carolina, too, but not a native, and it's not so much the schools as people's parents, grandparents, and half the writers of letters to the editor columns that keep the "not really about slavery" line going, just as it keeps the Confederate flag on the State House grounds.
Cardie
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Now that post was just down right rude. There is no need to bash the south. Yes, we may be backward..yes our schools may not be the best. But the ONE thing every southern child knows is the civil war. Now I can see how you could see a southern point of view on the war as biased. So I'm not going to give you a southerns point of view:
Argue with this-
Quote from Ordeal By Fire The Civil War Vol. 2 by James M. Mcpherson prof of American History Princeton University P. 186.
"Soliders on both sides used the word liberty more than any other to express what they fought for. But no Confederates and few Union soliders meant at first liberty for the Slaves....Confederates insisted they were definding the right and liberty to own slaves.. In 1861-1862 most(union) believed that they had enlisted to preserve the union not to free the slaves.
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this is a petty and small point but since everyone else is making them, i am not from the South. I was raised and educated in New York, just about as yankee as you can get.
The bumpkiniest of the Bumpkin Army.
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Also not from the south..born and raised in Connecticut, educated in northern school, yankee colleges..can't get more yankee than me.
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