Sheep, baaaaaaah, baaah bah!

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Originally posted by wildbill:
Magna Carta? Shakespeare? If I'd have wanted schooling, I'd have gone to school.

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See, now that's just plain funny without being freaky...

May none of your pizzas have unfortunte toppings.

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Hey, thanks ANGUSTHERMOPYLE for your post - it's been great fun to see the FFF posters prove what I've come to know them for - for their wit and class at dealing with the odd bump in the road. These people are tops.
And yes, tv shows really are tv shows!

That guy, working electric, he never drank with us!

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Originally posted by embers:
SoupCatcher: how sad is it that you feel you have to signal sarcasm?

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Yeah. It is sad. However, it's one of those behavior changes I chose to make to simplify things. It all stemmed from some message board posting I was doing a couple of years ago (not here) where I would continually see humor, and specifically sarcasm, being taken seriously and resulting in long drawn out arguments before a resolution was reached. Some other posters started using tags to identify humor and that seemed to work out pretty well but I still argued with myself for a long time before I adopted it.


And now I've played around on-line enough today. Time to go to a friends house, throw away my keys, kill some brain cells, and wake up to watch the Rose Parade and clean up.

Happy and Safe New Years to everyone.

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"What sort of raw meat do you people feed your cruiser captains, Hamish?" - Queen Elizabeth III of Manticore

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Hey, thanks ANGUSTHERMOPYLE for your post - it's been great fun to see the FFF posters prove what I've come to know them for - for their wit and class at dealing with the odd bump in the road. These people are tops.
And yes, tv shows really are tv shows!

That guy, working electric, he never drank with us!

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No probs, mate. I just like to stir things up from time to time, get people a little ornary - whatever the hell that is... I'm British, you know. Ta ta me old china.

Oh yeah, we British never thought James Marsters sounded anything like us. He really does though lol.

Jesus Saves! So why the lack of interest?

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I had a classic spit-take moment when I read the comment below. Against my better judgment (you know, that whole thing about fanning flames and feeding trolls) I would like to point out that famous actors seek out Shakespearian roles because it validates _their talent_ and a playwright dead for centuries doesn't give a damn about what image the plays have. No one person does - they are part of our common culture.

But no matter how hard all the English teachers and literature professors in the world might try, Shakespeare would have died out long ago if the plays didn't deliver what an audience wants. Sure, it helps to know what an Elizabethan audience might have expected to see, the odd bits make more sense then, but if you think Shakespeare is overrated, then you obviously haven't seen it done right. The angst, the stupidity, the pratfalls, the venality, the rare act of nobility, he nailed the human heart.

If Shakespeare is overrated, why do actors and directors itch to get their chance to interpret him? Ethan Hawke's Hamlet was great (Bill Murray as Polonious, how perfect is that?) but even better if you've seen the other versions. Branagh's epic version was cool but his BBC audio version was better, Mel Gibson and Glenn Close - with its weird incestuous vibe, even the MST3K'd version was fun. And that's just Hamlet. A dozen or more plays keep getting reworked each generation. (And imo, Branagh's Henry V was much better.)

Even Joss doesn't put out a masterpiece every time. :-) Yet, I think he'd settle for that kind of legacy.

Funny, though, I agree that Citizen Kane is overrated. My husband and I watched it and when it was over we just looked at each other. As in, is that all? But then again, at the time it came out, it rocked the movie world. Well, the critic's and future filmmaker's, anyway. So, from the historical p.o.v., it rates up there. But will it be around 400 years from now?

terry (no English degree in sight, just love the words...)

p.s. If you ever get a chance to see a performance of the Shenandoah Shakespeare company ( www.ishakespeare.com) GO. They come to my nowhere Iowa town every year (the local college brings them) and they never fail to take you on a ride that rivals anything you see on a movie screen.

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Originally posted by Hotpoint:

The fact is that most of the truly great actors have been cast in Shakespearian plays which has helped raise the image of that work in the public eye more than they would be otherwise, think of Laurence Olivier's version of Henry V for example.

I still maintain Shakespeare is overated. That doesn't mean he wasn't any good just that his plays aren't as good as people continually make out.

In many ways I am reminded of Citizen Kane which is routinely voted best film ever but which is also considered by many critics as a triumph of style over substance. Its continued grasp on the top spot is due to a large degree on people repeating over and over again that "Citizen Kane is the best film ever" and others nodding in agreement with the "experts".

Gorram sheep following the crowd

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OMG, Hotpoint really touched a nerve - didn't mean to rant about Shakespeare like that. The weird thing is that I do the same thing when it comes to Joss (and Tim and Jane and Drew, well all of ME) and Firefly in general to the uninitiated.

And I haven't even had any champagne to blame it on.

terry (hoping that 2005 ends better than 2004)

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Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:
Firstly, Firefly is a great TV show ... but... IT'S JUST A TV SHOW! It isn't the Magna Carta, or Shakespear (although the jokes are better).

The fact that messages get answered in the same vernacular as the series is (like) so disturbing.

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I'm curious, which has better jokes, The Magna Carta or Titus Andronicus? Seriously though, this board is basically a Firefly appreciation club. People who post here do what they can to show their appreciation for the show. Some take it further than others but it's all in fun. I mean the board is named Fireflyfans.net, what would you expect?

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Originally posted by terryo:
- didn't mean to rant about Shakespeare like that.

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Sounds good to me. It makes a refreshing change from the ranting about Whedon
Fans, though, may point out that Joss shares your enthusiasm and has been known to trade time on a script for attendance at a weekend Shakespeare read-through.

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