Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China
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Nobody is listening to you now Second because you've spent the last 4 years lying about everything.
Your voice is silent. Your opinion is meaningless. You are nothing.
The world you thought you were living in 6 months ago no longer exists.
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The world SECOND thought he lived in NEVER existed.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You keep thinking this but you haven't shown me WHY it can't survive without us. What do they need from us that's so existential that they can't get somewhere else? LINKS OR IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
SIX: There are not any nations more powerful than we are, although I'd be curious to hear what two you're referring to.
SIGNY: China's economy is the largest in the world
SIX: Not without us it isn't.
SIGNY: It doesn't need our technology and it doesn't need our dollars..(Its got almost a trillion of them in reserve), altho it may still want our markets so they can keep those factories humming and keep people busy and out of mischief.
SIX: It can't survive without us. Not when it also needs to survive alongside of us. If they lived in a bubble where the US didn't exist, we'd be having a much different conversation.
If the US did not exist, meaning that the US was not a potential adversary, or threat, or competitor, China would probably be ruling the world right now. Maybe I'm selling Russia short, but I don't think I am.
But that's not the world China lives in. Short term? China's economy is destroyed overnight if we stop buying goods from them cold turkey tomorrow.
And I'll remind you again that I'm well aware that a lot of these scenarios ALSO result in either our own anihallation, or in this case at least a very unhappy populace that can't buy anything at the stores because the shelves are all empty again.
I think your problem is that you give these other countries far too much credit. What makes you think any of them aren't weighed down to the bottom of the ocean with their own bureaucracy and that any one of them we should be taking seriously would be able to pivot any faster than a glacial pace? China can't just snap its fingers and make a painless transition from having us as its largest importer.
Quote:Quote:Where? In what battle?
SIGNY: and the Russian military is superior to ours, even in the nuclear realm.
SIX: Links or it didn't happen
SIGNY: First, let me point out that Russia isn't defeating Ukraine. It's defeating Ukraine AND NATO AND THE COLLECTIVE (POLITICAL) WEST.
SIX: No shit. I've never argued that. It was never a contest, even with our money.
So the fuck what? The US Military would destroy Russia's.,
In a committed war near Russia, Russia would have the logistics.
In a committed war distant from both Russia and USA, Russia would be at a disadvantage bc it doesn't have a surface fleet to convoy the men, materiel needed. OTOH it has missiles of tremendous range and accuracy. And as I recall, in GWB's war on Iraq, it took 6 months and a friendly onshore base to accumulate 500,000 personnel and weaponry, and a friendly island (Diego Garcia) to act as our unsinkable aircraft carrier. And that was without anybody trying to sink our ships en route.
So, pick a spot on the globe where this theoretical war takes place and let's war game this thing.
If we really wanted to win a war, we wouldn't need to do it in a traditional theater that you read about in the history books. For instance, if anybody in the Deep State really wanted Putin dead, he would have been dead a long time ago. He's proven himself very useful to them alive. Why re-invent the Emanuel Goldstein when you've already got a great one in place already?
While our military might is genuine, it's mostly been nothing more than Security Theater. It's the top brass that's been running our country swinging their dicks all over the place and keeping the riff-raff in line while they go about doing whatever evil it is that they're up to on any given day.
And really... come to think of it. I don't really believe that Trump is winning against the Deep State right now and that he's got them on the run either. Assuming he isn't alrea
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Nope, not at all.
Your chest is understandably swelled with Trump's victory, and IYHO "they" caused all of our troubles.
But making our place in the world needs more than just wanting to kick ass. You know the world you thought you lived in six months ago?
It never existed.
China is no longer making cheap plastic doodads for Walmart. They're so way past that, they leave that to Vietnam.
Russia has been rebuilding its military since 2000, not by making ultra high tech toys but combat-ready weapons systems. Russia has also been rebuilding its economy.
Iran, despite the sanctions from hell, is an industrial economy, not a nation of goatherders.
So while we were busy knocking over third rate, make-believe enemies and congratulating ourselves how tough we were... And how smart we were for getting rid of all that stinky, grimy low-profit manufacturing and focusing on stocks and hedge funds and forex ...
... the world passed us by. They got stronger, and we got weaker. It's not anyone's fault that the rest of the world developed. It IS our fault ... and it's a uniparty problem... that we allowed ourselves to sink into economic, social, moral, political, and fiscal decrepitude.
Our situation a lot like fixing up a house. You have to identify and prioritize your problems, and then gather up the tools, materials, and the work time necessary to get them fixed. We can't come out of that because we feel like it. It takes a lot of work and time. Even if the bureaucratic goo was cleared away, it would still take a lot of work and time.
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I think you're also overstating the damage that was done when it comes to the important bits.
If we're spending over $1 Trillion per year on a military that doesn't have a shot against Russia, what the fuck is any of this for?
You're not right about this one. If we were as easy to topple as you believe we were, it would have already happened. Especially when the rest of the world is going to be potentially held hostage to an entire societal shift every 4 years because our politicians have lost their fucking minds in the last 12 years.
You can spend your days worrying about America being a 2nd rate superpower, but I'm not spending 1 second after posting this reply even considering it.
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Quote:Do you mean the US military is less capable than the Ukrainian military which has not yet surrendered to Russia?
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If we're spending over $1 Trillion per year on a military that doesn't have a shot against Russia, what the fuck is any of this for?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Do you mean the US military is less capable than the Ukrainian military which has not yet surrendered to Russia?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
If we're spending over $1 Trillion per year on a military that doesn't have a shot against Russia, what the fuck is any of this for?
What? No. Apparently you haven't been following along at all.
Not that I expected you to. I just expected that you wouldn't join in a conversation unless you knew what you were talking about.
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I think you're also overstating the damage that was done when it comes to the important bits.
If we're spending over $1 Trillion per year on a military that doesn't have a shot against Russia, what the fuck is any of this for?
You're not right about this one. If we were as easy to topple as you believe we were, it would have already happened. Especially when the rest of the world is going to be potentially held hostage to an entire societal shift every 4 years because our politicians have lost their fucking minds in the last 12 years.
You can spend your days worrying about America being a 2nd rate superpower, but I'm not spending 1 second after posting this reply even considering it.
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So.
Imprecise thinking on your part.
What do you mean by "topple"?
Attack us at our borders, and march on DC to take over the country?
Send a barrage of (conventional) missiles to destroy all of our important military and civilian sites, starting with destroying our land-based nuclear missile arsenal?
Attack any number of our 800 military bases and installations that are scattered all over the world?
The probability ranges from "not gonna happen" to "highly unlikely".
What I worry about is people -like you - in positions of power starting a destructive conflict bc they overestimate our strength, and underestimate the adversary's.
Like Vietnam and Ukraine.
People who weren't alive then think we fought in Vietnam with one hand tied behind our back. Not true. Over the course of the war, 3.4 MILLION soldiers were deployed there, of which 1.9 MILLION were drafted, and over 58,000 were killed. For comparison, that's larger than the Russian army fighting in Ukraine.
But if you want to know why we're spending a trillion dollars ... well, there are a lot of companies making a lot of money doing things that are utterly useless for our security.
Fortunately Trump doesn't seem to be a fan of military action. I guess, being a real estate developer, he's more comfortable with tariffs and sanctions.
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So, scrolling up and addressing things I missed. I hadn't realized that Egypt dropped below Jordan.
Recepients of American foreign aid in 2023
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Ukraine ($17.2B)
Israel ($3.3B)
Jordan ($1.7B)7
Egypt ($1.5B)
Ethiopia ($1.5B)
Somalia ($1.2B)
Nigeria ($1B)
Congo (Kinshasa) ($990M)
Afghanistan ($886.5M)
Kenya ($846M)
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/countries-that-rec
eive-the-most-foreign-aid-from-the-u-s
Percent of Chinas exports that the USA represents in 2023, is only 15%.
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United States: US$502 billion (14.8% of China’s total exports)
Hong Kong: $276.4 billion (8.2%)
Japan: $157.6 billion (4.7%)
South Korea: $149.3 billion (4.4%)
Vietnam: $138.2 billion (4.1%)
India: $117.8 billion (3.5%)
Russia: $111.1 billion (3.3%)
Germany: $100.6 billion (3%)
Netherlands: $100.3 billion (3%)
Malaysia: $88.1 billion (2.6%)
Mexico: $81.5 billion (2.4%)
United Kingdom: $78.2 billion (2.3%)
Singapore: $77.6 billion (2.3%)
Thailand: $75.9 billion (2.2%)
Australia: $74 billion (2.2%)
https://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/
Losing the USA would be a significant blow to the Chinese economy, and therefore its political stability. It could be economically survivable but China isn't politically prepared. IMHO there is still a significant # of wealthy people in China who depend on the USD. Putin managed to rein in Russian oligarchs, Xi hasn't. And China earns its popular support by improving living standards. So they will negotiate over tariffs.
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Nobody involved so far was ever trying to win that war aside from Putin and the Ukrainian soldiers.
Not true. Be "we" thought we could win easily, or by using the nuclear sanction ... i.e kicking the Russian central bank off SWIFT, seizing their assets held in foreign banks, and blowing up Nordstream. Neither our military nor our financial assesment was correct.
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It's the top brass that's been running our country swinging their dicks all over the place and keeping the riff-raff in line
Who?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I think you're also overstating the damage that was done when it comes to the important bits.
If we're spending over $1 Trillion per year on a military that doesn't have a shot against Russia, what the fuck is any of this for?
You're not right about this one. If we were as easy to topple as you believe we were, it would have already happened. Especially when the rest of the world is going to be potentially held hostage to an entire societal shift every 4 years because our politicians have lost their fucking minds in the last 12 years.
You can spend your days worrying about America being a 2nd rate superpower, but I'm not spending 1 second after posting this reply even considering it.
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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon
So.
Imprecise thinking on your part.
What do you mean by "topple"?
Attack us at our borders, and march on DC to take over the country?
Send a barrage of (conventional) missiles to destroy all of our important military and civilian sites, starting with destroying our land-based nuclear missile arsenal?
Attack any number of our 800 military bases and installations that are scattered all over the world?
The probability ranges from "not gonna happen" to "highly unlikely".
What I worry about is people -like you - in positions of power starting a destructive conflict bc they overestimate our strength, and underestimate the adversary's.
Like Vietnam and Ukraine.
People who weren't alive then think we fought in Vietnam with one hand tied behind our back. Not true. Over the course of the war, 3.4 MILLION soldiers were deployed there, of which 1.9 MILLION were drafted, and over 58,000 were killed. For comparison, that's larger than the Russian army fighting in Ukraine.
But if you want to know why we're spending a trillion dollars ... well, there are a lot of companies making a lot of money doing things that are utterly useless for our security.
Fortunately Trump doesn't seem to be a fan of military action. I guess, being a real estate developer, he's more comfortable with tariffs and sanctions.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA
You're operating under the assumption that we wanted to win any of these wars and conflicts you keep bringing up.
We didn't. The war machine never wanted us to and would be happy if we were perpetually at war with one another until the sun burns out. The US losing anything is just Shoeless Joe Jackson throwing the World Series for a buck.
The US military has enough power to destroy the planet 100 times over.
The only reason we "lost" anything is because everything we've done since WWII has intentionally been a half-measure or less. Usually much less.
You're sitting at the table playing an unwinnable game Checkers. You're also inside of a snow globe that I'm holding in my hands. I can't even continue this conversation with you because we're not even speaking the same language.
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