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Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
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Tuesday, February 4, 2025 10:33 AM

Sounds like the plot of a bad Hollywood flick to me.

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Trump is again doing that weird thing where he signs executive orders that need to be explained to him just before he signs them.


Weird thing? You mean that thing that you dummies get in every single TV Show and Movie you've watched pushing your DEI agenda, made by DEI hires?

The Forced Exposition that I was just talking about the other day in the David Lynch thread?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Movies like Mulholland Drive change a person after watching it. Doesn't matter if they're aware of it or not. If you watched it, you were just a little bit different when you came out the other end.




And 99% of the rest of Hollywood shovelware is exposition filled garbage that doesn't trust the audience to have an IQ above 70 or possess any critical thinking skills at all, so everything gets told to you in completely inorganic ways... No child left behind, and all that.


"As you already know" is a sentence that should lead to the immediate firing of anybody writing it, reading it out loud or even suggesting it.


I'm not a gambling man, but I'd be willing to wager my house and everything I own that this phrase was never uttered by a single character that Lynch wrote. And I guaranty you that if he ever used it, it was for ironic purposes, and most likely as a setup to something that was going to break your brain an hour and a half later.

Having never watched Dune all the way through though, it wouldn't surprise me if somebody pointed out that Alan Smithee directed a character to say that phrase. But Lynch didn't count that so neither will I.


I wonder if anybody ever traced back the origin to "As you already know."

When is the first time somebody destroyed interesting storytelling with that phrase and when did the suits decide that making that part of their business model going forward was a good long term strategy?




Trump getting the things "explained to him" as he signs them is the "As you already know" and is entirely for your benefit, dummy.

Unlike swisscheese brain Joe Biden*, Trump knows exactly what he is signing and doesn't need anybody behind him to tell him about it.


He's rubbing it in your stupid fucking face.



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Tuesday, February 4, 2025 10:59 AM

Also... after a lifetime being Hollywood adjacent and with 4 years as President and another 4 years ducking, dodging and weaving around every single attempt at thwarting him that the ENTIRE MIGHT OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY WAS HELPLESS AGAINST...

Just what is it do you think that Trump doesn't get?

When he was doing all those "As you already know" executive order signings, he prepackaged easily distributable and digestible memes that have gone viral worldwide and have likely been seen in the hundreds of millions of views collectively by now.

He knows exactly how the MSNBCs and the CNNs and the Voxes and the Kevin Drums are going to report on it too, so he wanted to put on a real production for them so they can drum up a ton of business from idiots and get even more people to see it and spread it.

Whether because they love them, or they hate them, everyone is talking about those executive orders now.


.......


And where's the cavalry this time, Second?

Where's the huge, cooperative media pushback? Where's the nationwide blocking of streets? Where's the insanity? Why isn't there a need for the Legacy Media to cover for the insanity?

People don't care.

They don't want to live the life that your side thrust everybody into. They don't want to be angry about everything all the time. That's all your side has to offer anymore. Scolding, and Judgement, and Punishment and high taxes and a terrible economy they spent 4 years lying about to top it all off.

Even most of your side doesn't care anymore. They've caved. They just want things to normalize.


You are done. Your party is done.

The world you thought you were living in 6 months ago no longer exists.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2025 4:57 PM

Maybe/maybe not trade war

Trump folded. OK, supposedly the tariffs are only on hold for a month, but some wags are already joking that “tariff month” will become the new “infrastructure week.”

Supposedly both Mexico and Canada made some concessions in return for the tariff hold. But there’s really nothing there; neither country is doing anything it wouldn’t have done without the tariff threat. The U.S., on the other hand, agreed to crack down on weapons shipments to Mexico. Trump will spin this as a victory; low-information voters and some intimidated media outlets may go along with the lie. But basically America backed down.

So is Trump the classic bully who runs away when someone stands up to him? It definitely looks that way.

Let’s be clear, however: this isn’t a case of no harm, no foul. By making the tariff threat in the first place, Trump made it clear that America is no longer a nation that honors its agreements. By caving at the first sign of opposition, he also made himself look weak. China must be very pleased at how all this has played out.

The now ever-present threat of tariffs will have a chilling effect on business planning, inhibiting economic integration and damaging manufacturing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/us/politics/trump-infrastructure-we
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, February 4, 2025 8:11 PM

I just explained it to you above without the need for a clickbait video or a hyper-partisan NYT article.

You are a moron. The Democrat party today is made up of morons.

You're toast.


The only fucking hope you have now is if Trump destroys everything, so it's very apparent to everyone paying attention who the bad guys really are now.

Even CNN is showing the stat of how deeply unpopular the Democrat Party is in America today. You're sitting at about 1/3rd approval.

America hates Democrats.

Time for your party to die.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2025 8:28 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I just explained it to you above without the need for a clickbait video or a hyper-partisan NYT article.

You are a moron. The Democrat party today is made up of morons.

You're toast.


The only fucking hope you have now is if Trump destroys everything, so it's very apparent to everyone paying attention who the bad guys really are now.

Even CNN is showing the stat of how deeply unpopular the Democrat Party is in America today. You're sitting at about 1/3rd approval.

America hates Democrats.

Time for your party to die.

The Americans who are suffering are Trumptards—and dying young, too. Why? Because they are fat, lazy, weak, and stupid, same as Trump. Have a high opinion of yourself, 6ix? You should not:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65350&mid=12113
35#1211335


Trying to automate a task that isn't worth doing is no reason to be proud of your accomplishments, 6ix. Attempting to start a trade war with Canada and then losing is also no reason to be proud.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, February 4, 2025 9:34 PM

Why do you bother posting if that's all you're going to say?

What a waste of everyone's time.

You are a waste of everyone's time.

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Wednesday, February 5, 2025 12:19 AM

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Because everybody else playing the card game has a hand so weak that even the most gullible of fish wouldn't believe them if they tried to bluff their way out of it.


Be careful using words like "everyone, nobody, always, and never" ... bc you'd most likely be wrong and it'll contaminate your thinking. There are, actually, two nations more powerful than we are, and a fair few we could win in a fight, but only with a lot of losses (economically and/ or militarily).

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AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA

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Wednesday, February 5, 2025 12:25 AM

This looks like Trump's "maximum pressure" tactic. Threaten 25% tariffs and then delay them after winning concessions. Threaten to take over Panama, then get Panama to stop cooperating with China on their Belt and Road Initiative.

I wonder what his real aim is for Greenland.

Also, I think he's not done with Canada and Mexico.

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Wednesday, February 5, 2025 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Why do you bother posting if that's all you're going to say?

What a waste of everyone's time.

You are a waste of everyone's time.

6ix, I will post a substantive argument and you will reply that you either didn't read it or that you refuse to grasp what is being argued. It is gonna be one or the other with you Trumptards. The light of comprehension never turns on inside a Trumptard's mind. That's why you don't prosper in America:

Trump's Theory of Tariffs Makes No Sense
We can tax our way to prosperity, Trump claims, but we'll just…not do that, I guess?

Eric Boehm | 2.3.2025 3:00 PM

https://reason.com/2025/02/03/trumps-theory-of-tariffs-makes-no-sense/

For weeks, President Donald Trump has been telling Americans that his plan to impose high tariffs on the country's top trading partners would usher in an era of prosperity not seen in well over 100 years.

"The tariffs are going to make us very rich and very strong," Trump said Friday. "They don't cause inflation. They cause success." The president has been using variations on this same argument for months (for years, actually). They are "going to make us rich," he said in December. "In the 1890s, our country was probably the wealthiest it ever was because it was a system of tariffs," he said last year on the campaign trail.

This is bullshit, by the way. The high tariffs that America imposed during the late 19th century did not make America rich and did not make American manufacturing strong. It's also absurd to claim that the country was at its wealthiest in an era when most people did not have access to indoor plumbing, electricity, or modern medical care—and when the average person was, objectively, much poorer.

But leave all that aside for a moment. Let's assume that Trump sincerely holds this belief: that tariffs are a wealth-generating tool, and that their implementation will return the country to its proper place as the wealthiest, most successful, most respected nation on the planet.

If all that's true, then how to explain what Trump did this morning?

"President Donald Trump held off Monday on his tariff threats against Mexico for one month of further negotiations after Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum agreed to send 10,000 members of her country's national guard to the border to address drug trafficking," the Associated Press reported.

Wait, what happened to endless prosperity and success? If tariffs are as great as Trump says they are, he should be implementing them no matter what the leaders of any other silly little countries say or do. We can tax our way to prosperity, Trump claims, but we'll just…not do that, I guess?

That's the problem with Trump's theory about tariffs. Either tariffs are an inherently good and prosperity-generating policy that enriches America, or they are a threat to get other countries to do as Trump says. Both things can't be true.


If the former, then why would Trump forgo all those billions of dollars that could be collected off Mexican imports simply because Mexico agreed to make a few small changes to how it polices the border? We were going to offset the income tax with tariffs, Trump promised. But now? Nah, Mexico's president said she would make a few border guards work overtime, so we'll just forget about that idea.

If the latter, then tariffs are something to be feared—a stick with which to compel the behavior of other, smaller countries—that comes with some pain for Americans, as Trump admitted in a post on Truth Social over the weekend. But if that's what they are, and they can be removed as soon as those other countries comply with Trump's wishes, then it seems like the tariffs were never intended to produce the prosperity that Trump promised.

In short, Trump is either a bad dealmaker or a liar.

That's not a conclusion that's drawn by reviewing the piles of av

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Wednesday, February 5, 2025 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Because everybody else playing the card game has a hand so weak that even the most gullible of fish wouldn't believe them if they tried to bluff their way out of it.


Be careful using words like "everyone, nobody, always, and never" ... bc you'd most likely be wrong and it'll contaminate your thinking. There are, actually, two nations more powerful than we are, and a fair few we could win in a fight, but only with a lot of losses (economically and/ or militarily).



There are not any nations more powerful than we are, although I'd be curious to hear what two you're referring to.

Trump hasn't done anything that would cause a military response from anyone. There will be no military conflicts with any country over these tariffs. They are bargaining tools.

China might be fairly monolithic, but if we straight-up stop trading with them tomorrow they are immediately destroyed, virtually overnight.

China is the only one so far that hasn't immediately bent the knee. They have a far better hand than the off-suit 2/7 either Mexico or Canada did (the details of which I went into earlier in this thread). In this case, it's only a matter of time before China eventually caves to negotiations too. They have to. They don't have any viable alternative in the end, especially not in the short term.

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