Russia & Nazis

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, March 22, 2022 11:00 PM

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497306746330697738.html

Kamil Galeev
@kamilkazani
Galina Starovoitova Fellow
@TheWilsonCenter
. MLitt in History, St Andrews. MA in China Studies, Peking University

"Let's discuss Putin speech. He declared Ukrainians to be "Neonazis" and promised to "denazify" them. Indeed the "Nazi" character of Ukrainian statehood and identity has long been a central thesis of Russian propaganda. Let's discuss why and how it reflects ideology of Putinism"

"Why Russia uses it ("nazi")? First, because it's compatible with Russian foundation myth that rulers in Kremlin are saint because once they defeated the Nazi Germany. Ofc they won't tell that it was Kremlin that built up Nazi military might and allied with them on the early stages of WWII"

WWII - Russian Front

Stalin expected that Hitler might attack. But he believed that Soviet army was strong enough to repel them quickly. On paper he had much more tanks, guns, planes. So when Hitler did attack on June 22, 1941, Stalin was calm. He ordered his troops to beat them off and counterattack

For a few days he believed the plan is working. And you know why? Nobody dared to tell him it's not. So he was calm and content, everything working perfectly.

< Gee, that sounds familiar! That's probably why Putin's butt cheeks are still clenched. He recalled how Stalin had beem lied to just as he has been in Ukraine >

Only on June 29, a week after the war started he learnt that Minsk has fallen. That meant the road on Moscow is open

How was it possible? Minsk was covered by the strongest army USSR had, the Western Front, administered by the Belarus Military District. Stalin called the People's Commissariat (=Ministry) of Defence and asked what is the situation on the Western Front. They couldn't say anything

Stalin was alarmed. He ordered Molotov, Malenkov, Beriya and Mikoyan to get into car and they all drove to the Comissariat. Stalin told to connect him with the Belarus Military District. Zhukov told there's no connection. And Stalin realised the Western Army doesn't exist anymore

He yelled at Zhukov so hard, that Zhukov ran out to another room and wept. When Politburo members left the Comissariat, Stalin told:

- Lenin left us the great state and we wasted it

Stalin left to his dacha alone

Politburo members divided. Voznesensky said that if Stalin doesn't care , then Molotov should lead the state. Molotov refused. They all went to Stalin's dacha. Stalin looked very badly and asked why did they come. Mikoyan thought - Stalin feared that they came to arrest him

Molotov said they must form a Defence Committee to run the country. And Stalin should lead it:

- Ok - said Stalin. He looked surprised

On July 6 chief of Soviet military intelligence general-lieutenant Golikov departed to London to discuss coordination of efforts in this war

Thus the USSR allied with the US and the UK. USA organised lend lease: enormous military help in food, in fuel, in vehicles, in armament. They supplied Soviet Army for the entire war. Otherwise USSR would lose, its supply chains being disrupted by the German advance

In the course of the war the narrative changed again. Now nobody would admit that the USSR wanted the war, that it built up the German military machine as an ice-breaker against the West. No, the USSR was peaceful, consistently anti-Nazi, the force of light against the darkness

It was a lie but a convenient lie. The alliance would be diffucult if Western powers admitted the truth: that the Soviets were purposefully building up the German military machine and de facto allied with Hitler in 1939-1931 dividing Eastern Europe together. So the West bought it

That's how a myth of the anti-Nazi USSR was borne. It was recognised by the West which didn't want to question the role of its allies in building up the Nazi military machine. After belief in Communism died, it became a le

THG

Wednesday, March 23, 2022 2:30 AM

Great post G. Now brace yourself. Signym is preparing a twenty page brief for her response to your post, your thread. Not to worry. If she posts a large diatribe I'll cut and past it in her gardens thread. She hates when I do that, and I do do that.

T

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 23, 2022 2:46 AM

There is a strong and violent Nazi element in Ukraine (local militia, "national guard", internal security, Azov Battalion) that has an effective stranglehold on government officials.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 23, 2022 4:16 AM

Only Ted gets to decide who is and isn't a Nazi.

Get fucked, Ted.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 23, 2022 12:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
There is a strong and violent Nazi element in Ukraine (local militia, "national guard", internal security, Azov Battalion) that has an effective stranglehold on government officials.

And so therefore, logically, let’s bomb the sht out of Ukrainian women and children and fck the world economy and leave a 100 year stain on the people of Russia? Brilliant. How many people in Russia- if they knew the truth- do you think want this?

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 23, 2022 5:17 PM

Tell Ukie Nazis to stop using women an children as human shields and tell them to stop shooting civilians who are fleeing.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 23, 2022 7:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Tell Ukie Nazis to stop using women an children as human shields…

Is every Ukraine male a Nazi? Because Russia is bombing civilians everywhere.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
….and tell them to stop shooting civilians who are fleeing.

Why would they shoot their own “human shields?”

Or Putin could just uninvade.

You embarrass the fck out of yourself with every post.

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, March 23, 2022 7:40 PM

where's Revarfan when you need him?

it was amazing how everything broke down so fast into Godwin law or Godwin's rule

Reaver bot used make death threats each and every day against anything that might be something ....then throw around Nazi term at least 25 times a day

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 23, 2022 8:53 PM

Yup.

Here's a hint though. If you get deep enough under Second's skin, he starts posting like his alter-ego Reaverfan.

Reaverfan was Second's sockpuppet.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

SECOND

Wednesday, March 23, 2022 9:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Reaverfan was Second's sockpuppet.

As Western intelligence showed that Russia was preparing to invade Ukraine, Mr. Putin declared Ukraine an American colony with a “puppet regime” and denied that he planned an invasion.

In the United States, Mr. Tucker Carlson (FOX News) also called Ukraine “an obedient puppet of the Biden State Department.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20220323102544/https://www.nytimes.com/202
2/03/23/technology/russia-american-far-right-ukraine.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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