Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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TOO BAD YOUR GRAPH DOESN'T INCLUDE 2022. Because that was the start of the SMO.
Kinda makes the chart pointless, doesn't it?
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Quote:I get the feeling you missed the point. Imagine this scenario: Ukraine has a list of the 922,000 most productive, smartest Russians and killed them all. That would be a loss for Russia almost as devastating as 922,000 dead Russian soldiers. Russia did have that loss, but fortunately for the Russians on the list, they moved on to better lives elsewhere than Russia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
TOO BAD YOUR GRAPH DOESN'T INCLUDE 2022. Because that was the start of the SMO.
Kinda makes the chart pointless, doesn't it?
Re: Russia, an analysis and policy network, has examined various estimates and available data from countries that have accepted large numbers of Russian émigrés. They found that between 817,000 and 922,000 people have left Russia since February 2022. The largest recipient countries were Kazakhstan and Serbia, each with 150,000 emigrants. But Russians have moved all over the world, including between 30,000 and 40,000 who went to America, according to the estimates.
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‘Aren’t You a Man?’: How Russia Goads Citizens Into the Army
by Anton Troianovski, Alina Lobzina, Sarah Kerr, Natalie Reneau
The Times tracked several months of Russian state messaging in the Kremlin’s effort to recruit soldiers.
A supermarket security guard, a taxi driver, a guy at the gym. The Russian government has a message for all of them: Aren’t you a man?
And don’t you want to earn more money?
Last spring, the Russian military kicked off a new recruitment drive for the war in Ukraine, seeking to replace tens of thousands of dead and wounded without having to resort to an unpopular draft. For the last four months, The New York Times has tracked how the campaign played out on Russian state television and social media, and found that recruitment messages focused on the Kremlin’s official rationale for the invasion — an existential threat from the West against Russians — played only a supporting role.
Rather, there were frequent appeals to masculinity, sometimes voiced by soldiers’ wives and other women interviewed on television news. There were incessant reminders of above-average pay and benefits for military servicemen. And the messages — appearing both in video ads produced by the Defense Ministry and on regular TV newscasts — stress the ease of signing up, promising relief from Russia’s notorious bureaucracy.
The campaign appeared to start in April. Online, the Defense Ministry published a splashy video ad focusing on two central motivations: machismo, and money. It defines military service as more meaningful — and manly — than what’s depicted as the Russian man’s typical, humdrum existence. After moody shots of civilians transforming into modern warriors, the ad ends with a more down-to-earth reminder: “Monthly payments starting at 204,000 rubles,” or about $2,000.
The themes in the Russian Defense Ministry’s recruitment campaign are picked up frequently in television newscasts — as would be expected, since all of Russia’s major television channels are controlled by the state. But the news anchors and reporters delivering the message are essentially acting as glorified recruiters themselves, repeatedly reminding viewers of the quick-dial phone number — 1-1-7 — they can turn to if they want to sign up to fight.
Since the invasion’s beginning, state television newscasts have been offering viewers a sanitized view of the war. Death and injury of Russians are rarely mentioned. The war itself is referred to with the Kremlin’s anodyne term, “special military operation,” or simply by the term’s Russian initials: “the S.V.O.”
But there are signs that, at least in some regions, the costs of war have now become too widespread to ignore. During a local morning newscast in the city of Irkutsk, in Siberia, on Aug. 9, a reporter introduces a piece about new “mobile” recruitment stands with an interview of a Ukraine war veteran wounded last year.
“I got all the payments that contract servicemen are entitled to if they’re wounded,” the veteran, Nikolai Karpenko, says.
“Contract military service, Nikolai says, gave him the chance to show that he’s a real defender of the fatherland,” the reporter intones.
The message: Yes, you could get hurt, but the government will take care of you. And you will have shown your patriotism.
The recruitment drive appears to have borne some fruit. The Kremlin has been able to keep its invasion going without resorting to a second draft, after mobilizing some 300,000 civilians last fall. And Ukraine’s counteroffensive this summer has run into fierce Russian resistance.
But analysts believe that Russia’s official recruitment figures, claiming that 1,400 people were signing up per day last month, are likely to be overstated — and that a second draft could still come. New laws passed this summer would make it much harder for Russians to dodge the draft if another was declared.
“Soldiers are not being relieved or regularly rotated on the front, suggesting there is still a manpower problem,” said Dara Massicot, a senior policy researcher at the RAND Corpora
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Ukraine Is Determined to Blow Russia's Bridges to Crimea
The debate about Ukraine has been centered in the West on how Putin and Russia would react to losing Crimea and not on how Russian-occupied Crimea functions as a core component of Russia’s military domination.
Ukrainian strikes on the Kerch Strait crossing will continue and are also very likely to intensify in the near future. It is almost certain that Putin’s beloved bridges will end up at the bottom of the ocean before the end of the war.
Ukraine’s allies can make a difference here by finally providing Kyiv with the long-range missile systems it has been asking for. Sending U.S.-made ATACMS and German Taurus cruise missile systems would put much more of Russia’s military infrastructure within Ukrainian missile range and would spell disaster for the Kerch Strait bridges. This increased capability would provide Ukraine the opportunity to finally respond to the routine bombardment Ukrainian cities have suffered since the start of this war due to Russia’s Crimean military facilities.
Moscow remains emboldened diplomatically and militarily around the peninsula because these bases are currently far enough from the front line that they can function with relative impunity. Ukraine is trying to shift that dynamic.
Both Moscow’s and Kyiv’s international allies need to understand that even without the bridge, a Russian-occupied Crimea poses a critical threat to Ukraine’s survival, and as far as the Ukrainian government is concerned, the destruction of the Kerch Strait bridges will only serve as a prelude to the eventual campaign for the total liberation of the Crimean Peninsula.
Ukraine may pull this off. It won’t stop trying—and there is no point in diplomats or analysts laboring under the absurd assumption that the Ukrainian position on this can be negotiated away in a future deal.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/08/22/russia-crimea-bridges-ukraine-inv
asion/
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It is Saturday and time for Russia to make a new threat to nuke the world!
Putin Ally Issues Ominous Warning on Threat of New World War
By Thomas Kika On 8/26/23 at 10:34 AM EDT
Dmitry Medvedev, a Kremlin official and ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, accused Western powers of ignoring "signals" from Moscow and pushing towards a world war, according to state-run news agency, Tass.
Medvedev previously served as the president of Russia from 2008 to 2012, between Putin's first and second terms, and as prime minister from 2012 to 2020. He currently serves as deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia and is considered a major Kremlin propagandist.
In an interview segment published on Saturday, Medvedev told the state-run news agencies Tass and RT that Western nations, not Russia, were pushing the world closer to a new world war. A similar sentiment has been echoed by pro-Russia voices since the start of the country's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
"Frankly speaking, it would have definitely been better if they had heard them [the signals]," Medvedev said. "In any case, the world would not have to face the threat of World War III. In fact, this is where our opponents are actively pushing everyone."
He further stressed, according to Tass, that the West "failed to hear our signals."
Over the past year-and-a-half, Medvedev has frequently made similar comments about Russia's enemies risking World War III or nuclear war, usually in relation to their opposition to the invasion and support of Ukraine.
In July, he accused President Joe Biden of "provoking nuclear Armageddon" after the United States announced that it would provide controversial cluster bombs to Ukraine as part of its ongoing military aid, adding that the move would risk "a Third World War." In earlier comments, he also suggested that Biden, due to his advanced age, could "absent-mindedly start World War III."
In March, Medvedev invoked World War III after The Hague war crimes court in the Netherlands concluded that Putin had committed war crimes in Ukraine, specifically citing the mass deportation of Ukrainian children, and issued a warrant for his arrest. Medvedev suggested that the Russian leader's arrest would be considered an act of war against Russia.
"Let's imagine—obviously this situation which will never be realized, but nevertheless let's imagine that it was realized. The current head of the nuclear state went to a territory—say, Germany—and was arrested," Medvedev said at the time, according to state-run news agency RIA Novosti. "What would that be? It would be a declaration of war on the Russian Federation."
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-issues-ominous-warning-threat-new-
world-war-1822664
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Quote:I get the point. What is missing is THE DATA.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
TOO BAD YOUR GRAPH DOESN'T INCLUDE 2022. Because that was the start of the SMO.
Kinda makes the chart pointless, doesn't it?
SECOND: I get the feeling you missed the point.
From your article:
Quote:
The Kremlin has, unsurprisingly, not published data on the matter. And independent estimates have varied from 500,000 to 1m. But a new analysis has narrowed that range (see chart).
See chart?
It's missing the year that they're purportedly talking about.
But if you want to compare emigration, country to country, Ukraine has lost at least 5 million to other countries, including about 1.5 million to Russia.
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Quote:When this war is all over, Russians will brag that they killed/wounded/displaced millions of Ukrainians and destroyed trillions of dollars of Ukrainian property, which all adds up in the Russian mind that Russia is the winner. In Ukraine, they will see victory as their country still exists and Russia did not murder all of them. That is why the worst people in the world (see for example the Kim family in North Korea) choose to back Russia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
See chart?
It's missing the year that they're purportedly talking about.
But if you want to compare emigration, country to country, Ukraine has lost at least 5 million to other countries, including about 1.5 million to Russia.
You will have to go to the original article because “chart” is combination of png and hyper text markup language.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230824145303/https://www.economist.com/g
raphic-detail/2023/08/23/russians-have-emigrated-in-huge-numbers-since-the-war-in-ukraine
The png looks like this, but I can’t cut-and-paste into firefly fans dot net all the html stuff that brings the “chart” to life.
Quote:I get the feeling you missed the point. Imagine this scenario: Ukraine has a list of the 922,000 most productive, smartest Russians and killed them all. That would be a loss for Russia almost as devastating as 922,000 dead Russian soldiers. Russia did have that loss, but fortunately for the Russians on the list, they moved on to better lives elsewhere than Russia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
TOO BAD YOUR GRAPH DOESN'T INCLUDE 2022. Because that was the start of the SMO.
Kinda makes the chart pointless, doesn't it?
Re: Russia, an analysis and policy network, has examined various estimates and available data from countries that have accepted large numbers of Russian émigrés. They found that between 817,000 and 922,000 people have left Russia since February 2022. The largest recipient countries were Kazakhstan and Serbia, each with 150,000 emigrants. But Russians have moved all over the world, including between 30,000 and 40,000 who went to America, according to the estimates.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Quote:No, they won't.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"See chart?"
It's missing the year that they're purportedly talking about.
But if you want to compare emigration, country to country, Ukraine has lost at least 5 million to other countries, including about 1.5 million to Russia.
SECIND: When this war is all over, Russians will brag that they killed/wounded/displaced millions of Ukrainians and destroyed trillions of dollars of Ukrainian property,
Quote:Russia will have achieved its goals when Ukraine is constitutnally neutral, de-Nazified, and demiltarized. Those are Russia's security goals. You don't read very well, do you?
SECOND: which all adds up in the Russian mind that Russia is the winner.
Quote:I think the survivors will be grateful to be alive.
SECOND: In Ukraine, they will see victory as their country still exists and Russia did not murder all of them.
Quote:So you say. I never take anything you post as close to the truth
SECOND: I get the feeling you missed the point. Imagine this scenario: Ukraine has a list of the 922,000
Quote:
SECOND: most productive, smartest Russians
Oh, baloney! They're a bunch of self-entitled snivelling narcissists, and Russia is better off w/o them. If we got rid of ours, WE'D be better off. But then we'd have next to nobody left.
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Quote:Now I am sure that you are the cause of all your problems. I've always been sure that Russians are the cause of their problems, not NATO, the US, the UK, or the EU. Nor Ukraine. Signym, you and Russians are crazy and your lives, which have so far been poorly lived, won't achieve grace and poise by the end.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:No, they won't.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"See chart?"
It's missing the year that they're purportedly talking about.
But if you want to compare emigration, country to country, Ukraine has lost at least 5 million to other countries, including about 1.5 million to Russia.
SECIND: When this war is all over, Russians will brag that they killed/wounded/displaced millions of Ukrainians and destroyed trillions of dollars of Ukrainian property,Quote:Russia will have achieved its goals when Ukraine is constitutnally neutral, de-Nazified, and demiltarized. Those are Russia's security goals. You don't read very well, do you?
SECOND: which all adds up in the Russian mind that Russia is the winner.Quote:I think the survivors will be grateful to be alive.
SECOND: In Ukraine, they will see victory as their country still exists and Russia did not murder all of them.Quote:So you say. I never take anything you post as close to the truth
SECOND: I get the feeling you missed the point. Imagine this scenario: Ukraine has a list of the 922,000Quote:
SECOND: most productive, smartest Russians
Oh, baloney! They're a bunch of self-entitled snivelling narcissists, and Russia is better off w/o them. If we got rid of ours, WE'D be better off. But then we'd have next to nobody left.
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