Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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SECOND

Thursday, June 1, 2023 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So now you'retrying to recruit that gut feeling that WWII was a "JUST WAR!" and that Republicans would have kept us from fighting a "JUST WAR!"

First of all, if you look a the CAUSES of WWII, you'll see that:

The USA's embargo of Japan, and Japan's need for oil, led them to attack the USA in an attempt to break our stranglehold. So, in a way, we were part of the problem.

The WWI reparations payments that Germany owed was unspportable and led to economic collapse (people politely starving in their homes), hyperinflation, political chaos, and eventually nazism. Furthermore, whatever justice there was in fighting WWII in Europe, it was the SOVIETS that won. Our claims to being Europe's savior are 80% stolen valor.

So, what's your excuse for trying to tie today's situation to WWII? Yanno, other than trying to elicit a knee-jerk reaction?

The problem today, SECOND, IS US. If we're going to fix it, we have to start with us.

Please see the edits in my previous post.

There have always been people like you, Signym, even in the 1930's . If the movie Lincoln (2012) can be believed, there were Northerners just like you that believed there should not have been a Civil War and that the fighting would end when Lincoln, not the Confederates, stopped being a warmonger. There are always people who find it inconceivable that Confederates need killing for what they have done, and that Nazis must die for what they did, and that Russians must die screaming for murdering Ukrainians by the millions. Some people are either too superior for war or too confused to make a correct decision about which side should win.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 1, 2023 12:48 AM

SECOND, so now you're going all the way back to the CIVIL WAR to find an excuse for your warmongering?

Yanno, I could use Nazi Germany as an example and point out that there were a lot of Nazis there just like you. You've even got that whole "inferior race/people" thing going. The only thing missing is your swastika.

Jeez, what a troll.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 1, 2023 12:57 AM

Because, when Kiev can't attack military targets, it targets civilians. They've been targeting civilians since 2014.

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Russia Evacuates Children From Border Villages As Ukrainian Shelling Escalates
Wednesday, May 31, 2023 - 11:40 AM

In what's now becoming an alarming pattern of cross-border escalation, multiple civilians were injured in Russia's Belgorod region, just kilometers from Ukraine, due to large-scale shelling on Wednesday, presumably from Ukrainian forces.

Local governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said at least four people had been injured. He described that situation in the border town of Shebekino has been "deteriorating" due to the "massive strike" from Ukrainian forces.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-evacuates-children-borde
r-villages-ukrainian-shelling-escalates

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

THG

Thursday, June 1, 2023 12:58 AM

Poor comrade signym. She is completely reduced to lying. I wonder when she will return to her handler is Russia. Maybe she never came here. That's my bet. She never even came to the states.

T

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 1, 2023 1:38 AM

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Originally posted by THG:Poor comrade signym. She is completely reduced to lying. I wonder when she will return to her handler is Russia. Maybe she never came here. That's my bet. She never even came to the states.

I noticed that when SECOND gets his ass thoroughly handed to him, you step in with pure libel.
So prove it, stupid troll.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 1, 2023 2:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, so now you're going all the way back to the CIVIL WAR to find an excuse for your warmongering?

Yanno, I could use Nazi Germany as an example and point out that there were a lot of Nazis there just like you. You've even got that whole "inferior race/people" thing going. The only thing missing is your swastika.

Jeez, what a troll.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

SECOND

Thursday, June 1, 2023 3:51 PM

Signym is also spreading Russian propaganda on another thread at http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64016&mid=11747
26#1174726

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I was thinking about why Germans put up with this shit. Their nation is occupoed by USA forces, their government doesn't get to make decisions, their media is controlled by the CIA, they've been forced to cross "red line" after red line supporting Ukraine (remember when they vowed to send only defensive equipment and shipped 5,000 helmets? HOW CUTE!). And - worse - their pipelines were blown u, and instead of demanding a full investigation, Chancellor Scholz meekly bowed his head to Bidens* ridiculous plan to shift blame, and Die Welt spread the ridiculous story that it was six folks and a boat.

NO MORE GAS HEATERS!
And, if you save up your meat ration you can look forward to having a big chicken-burger once every two weeks.

Why aren't there protests? Why isn't there a change of government?

I decided that Germany is just a long-term experiment in collective, generational guilt. There are probably all of five Germans who even remember WWII, and yet Germans are supposed to feel endless guilt far into the mists of time for something their grandparents did. (And Jews, with their endless victim complex, are just the one to make them pay... and pay.... and pay! If Germany owes reparations to anyone it's Russians. And yet Germans are still paying Jews! https://apnews.com/article/holocaust-survivor-compensation-fund-german
y-0d35aa1cba7756d1b9b6008e9d7841b7)

So now Germans feel guilty just for breathing.

Kinda sounds like the whole "white guilt" that's being foisted on white Americans.

Yanno, if you're prejudiced ... if you cut someonw out of a hiring list, or didn't give them a loan or rent an apartment JUST BECAUSE of their color, you should feel guilty for that. But for sure, don't feel guilty for something you didn't do.

Signym, comparing Germany to Russia shows that Russia is a grossly inferior country in the same way North Korea is inferior to South Korea. The funny thing is that North Korea was created by Russia as a project to show the superiority of the Russian way of life as it spreads around the world.

How would a Russian handle that comparative failure to thrive? By making up lies about Germany and bragging falsely about Russia.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/Russia/Econo
my
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/russia/germany?sc=XE15
https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=DEU&cou
ntry2=RUS

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, June 1, 2023 3:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, so now you're going all the way back to the CIVIL WAR to find an excuse for your warmongering?

Yanno, I could use Nazi Germany as an example and point out that there were a lot of Nazis there just like you. You've even got that whole "inferior race/people" thing going. The only thing missing is your swastika.

Jeez, what a troll.

The Kremlin’s communication problems are triggering awkward moments and fiery clashes between Russian state television’s biggest stars.

The Monday broadcast, too, featured a rare moment of brutal honesty on Russian state television, with one panelist offering up a particularly grim prophecy about Putin’s end game.

“What would victory look like? We can see it by looking at Bakhmut, the city where 70,000 people used to live, with children and kindergartens. It was simply wiped off the face of the earth. Everyone who could escape from there did just that,” former state Duma deputy Boris Nadezhdin said, appearing exasperated.

“If victory means conquering ruins without the people, I don’t know who needs this kind of victory... In some Russian cities, they are running out of men,” he added. “The sooner this horror comes to an end, the better it will be for Ukrainians and Russians alike.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20230531123505/https://www.thedailybeast.c
om/russian-state-media-sends-mixed-messages-about-putins-victory-plan-in-ukraine-war

Signym, a typical exchange on Russian TV: “During the last year and two months since the start of the special operation, I’ve traveled dozens of times throughout the country... Every time I am asked: ‘Why is it taking so long, why isn’t it more decisive? To put it harshly, why aren’t we destroying them like rats?,” host Andrey Norkin said.

It did not take very long for that comment to blow up in Norkin’s face.

“You know, when you say that your audience, your viewers are asking you why we aren't being more harsh, why aren’t we destroying all of them like rats, I would answer them with a question,” political analyst Viktor Olevich said, addressing the host. ‘“Are you ready for all of your children to die, to be pulverized in the trenches? Do you want for all of them to end up there?’”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, June 1, 2023 4:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The WWI reparations payments that Germany owed was unspportable and led to economic collapse (people politely starving in their homes), hyperinflation, political chaos, and eventually nazism. Furthermore, whatever justice there was in fighting WWII in Europe, it was the SOVIETS that won. If you want to credit anyone, give credit where it's due: Russia. Our claims to being Europe's savior are 80% stolen valor.

So, what's your excuse for trying to tie today's situation to WWII? Yanno, other than trying to elicit a knee-jerk reaction?
The problem today, SECOND, IS US. If we're going to fix the problem, we have to start with us.
Troll

Please see the edits in my previous post.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Signym, in your youth you must have absorbed too much Soviet propaganda about The Great Patriotic War. For awhile after the fall of the USSR that machine was left to rust in the rain but Putin got that old Soviet machinery running again to produce All New Propaganda:

A Day Inside Putin’s Surreal Television Empire

How the nonstop blare of Russian state media fuels the war effort and blurs reality.

May 28, 2023, 7:00 AM
By Anastasia Edel

If there’s one part of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s autocratic toolkit that has lived up to its prewar hype, it is the Kremlin’s propaganda machine. Propaganda is the proverbial carrot in the ocean of sticks that is modern Russia, responsible for co-opting the public into the state’s war agenda. Every day, 82 million Russians tune into a vast web of state-controlled network and cable television channels that feeds them a uniform vision of the world: a hostile, scary place, in which Russia wages a righteous battle against the forces of evil.

Putin didn’t invent propaganda. As a citizen of the now-defunct Soviet Union, I was born into a land of make-believe created for me and millions of other Soviets by the propaganda bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. According to our television sets, my fellow citizens and I lived in the most advanced, peace-loving, and just country in the world, constantly fending off attacks at the hands of imperialist forces. Listening to songs that cried out against the impending nuclear war, or watching broadcasts of U.S. police forces dispersing peace demonstrations with tear gas, I wondered why Americans were so bent on destroying our way of life.

The collapse of the totalitarian state removed these propaganda blinders and revealed the world it had conjured for what it was: a fantasy. But the Soviet-era mechanisms of manipulation—and the Russians’ propensity to fall for it—are even stronger today. In survey after survey, public support for Putin and his war on Ukraine remains high, thanks in part to the consensus manufactured by pro-Kremlin television programming.

Last month, I put on these blinders again and tuned in to experience what an average Russian might consume in just one day. The results were disturbing.

Television, not the internet, remains the dominant news medium in Russia. The average Russian consumes around four hours daily. In absolute terms, these numbers are not unique: Americans watch more. What is unique, even from Soviet times, is that every channel and every program, from news broadcasts to music competitions, transmit the Kremlin’s narrative, 24 hours per day, seven days a week.

The day’s agenda is set by the 5 a.m. newscast. On a Friday morning in April, the main story on Channel One, the Russian Federation’s oldest and most influential channel, is “battling Ukrainian Nazis” near Bakhmut. This is followed by reports on French President Emmanuel Macron’s visit to China; Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s visit to Turkey; and the Orthodox holiday of Annunciation. This lineup is repeated, with minor variations, every 30 minutes during the three-hour morning show, with news from th

THG

Thursday, June 1, 2023 5:32 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by THG:Poor comrade signym. She is completely reduced to lying. I wonder when she will return to her handler is Russia. Maybe she never came here. That's my bet. She never even came to the states.

I noticed that when SECOND gets his ass thoroughly handed to him, you step in with pure libel.
So prove it, stupid troll.

What you don't understand comrade is that your years of posting here are proof of your identity.

As for you winning out in any discussion between you and SECOND, if it ever happens, I'll acknowledge it. So far your posted lies, your responses to what SECOND posts, clearly shows your identity to be that of an anti-American Russian troll.

You never seem to understand that your posts reveal you. I doubt you ever will. Not to worry though, you are not the only one who suffers this.

T

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