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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, March 29, 2022 4:07 PM

Fox News asked Trump what he'd do differently from Biden on Ukraine.

"Well what I would do, is I would, we would, we have tremendous military capability and what we can do without planes, to be honest with you, without 44-year-old jets, what we can do is enormous, and we should be doing it and we should be helping them to survive and they're doing an amazing job."
- Donald J. Trump

This begs the question -- if Trump suffered a stroke, would anyone be able to tell?

Didn’t Trump already explain that he would have withheld financial military aid in exchange for “a favor”? It was a perfect phone call.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-host-stuart-varney-repeatedly-gets-f
ed-up-with-trumps-bullshit-during-lengthy-chat


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, April 1, 2022 5:04 PM

How war crimes investigators do their jobs in evidence-rich Ukraine

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/2022/0331/How-war-crimes-investigators
-do-their-jobs-in-evidence-rich-Ukraine


War crimes investigators – mobilized on the ground in Ukraine and at desks and laboratories around the world to gather and process evidence – inspire hope for justice, and possibly deterrence of further crimes as the war drags on.

More than any conflict before, the war in Ukraine is on the record. Around 70% of the country has internet access, which means almost anyone with a smartphone can watch. And prosecutors are.

In the past five weeks nongovernmental organizations, governments, intelligence units, and international investigators have all started documenting alleged war crimes in Ukraine. Each group has a different mandate, and their work isn’t all coordinated. But the number of people investigating, combined with near-limitless open-source information – from videos of Russian strikes to satellite images of troop movements – makes it more likely that specific charges are filed, a rarity in these investigations.

“It’s impossible today to conduct any small-scale, let alone large-scale, military operation or to violate human rights ... without outing yourself and who you are,” says Scott Edwards, senior adviser for crisis response at Amnesty International.

A nationwide crime scene

Russia outed itself when it invaded Ukraine this February. Now, its soldiers, officers, and leaders have become suspects in a nationwide crime scene. Millions of civilians experiencing attacks are witnesses. Everything from missile containers to military communications is evidence.

The detectives are dozens of investigators rushing to preserve that evidence while they still can.

“There’s a lot of work to be done, and it will not be easy to do that work in circumstances where there’s shooting and shelling all over the place,” says Chile Eboe-Osuji, president of the International Criminal Court from 2018 to 2021.

That work starts with documenting the “crime base,” or the actual offense. Through witness testimony and open-source information available online, investigators build a detailed record of the war crime – or, more often in an actual case, a series of crimes.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20220331234553/https://www.csmonitor.com/W
orld/2022/0331/How-war-crimes-investigators-do-their-jobs-in-evidence-rich-Ukraine


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, April 1, 2022 5:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Didn’t Trump already explain that he would have withheld financial military aid in exchange for “a favor”? It was a perfect phone call.



I don't remember signing up to give a billion to Ukraine when Obama was President. I don't remember signing up to give military aid to Ukraine when Trump was President. I sure as hell don't remember signing up to give over 20 billion to Ukraine now that Joe* is, well... Joe*.

Don't twist it. That wasn't a "favor". That was a very strong suggestion.

But Track-suit Z works for Obama and Biden* and the Clintons and the Bushes and wasn't going to fuck with his bosses.

Had he cooperated, we wouldn't now be on the verge of financial destruction under Joe Biden*'s failed "leadership".




The above lovely admission happened two years into his son Hunter's lucrative gig making $50,000 per month to smoke crack with hookers and be on call to get his Daddy involved if they needed him for anything. The AG that Joe* wanted fired was the AG that was investigating the company that his son was "working" for.

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Friday, April 1, 2022 5:58 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Didn’t Trump already explain that he would have withheld financial military aid in exchange for “a favor”? It was a perfect phone call.



I don't remember signing up to give a billion to Ukraine when Obama was President.

That billion was to keep Russia from overrunning Europe. And the USA has spent much more than that, again, to keep Russia from overrunning Europe. Think of all money that could have been saved by letting Russia own the world. But once Russia owned the world, I am not so sure Russia would tolerate the USA continuing to exist .

The estimate of $634 billion in total costs for nuclear forces over the 2021–2030 period.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57240

From 1940-1996, the United States spent a minimum of $5.5 trillion on its nuclear weapons program.
https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/costs-us-nuclear-weapons/

I don't know how much was spent from 1997 to 2020 on nukes, but I'm pretty sure it is in the trillions of dollars, and the money was spent to keep Russia from owning the world with its nukes.

Unfortunately, with all that money spent, there never was a direct war between Russia and the USA to permanently knock down the threat of Russia owning the world, but Ukraine is doing that job for the USA and doing it very inexpensively compared to what the USA has spent on nukes. The USA will spend $60 billion in 2022 just to keep it's nukes ready to use, without actually using any of them on Russia, for which all those nukes are targeted.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, April 2, 2022 7:41 PM

Trumpian Conservatives Hold an ‘Emergency’ Meeting Over Russia
(They want Ukraine to quickly surrender so that Putin doesn't go to war with the USA)

The invasion of Ukraine has not prompted Trump to alter his fundamentally adoring view of the Russian leader. The most that Trump would concede is that he was “surprised” Putin had invaded. Then Trump reverted to type, trying once more to game the Ukraine crisis (as he did in 2019 during a phone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that led to his first impeachment) for his own personal benefit by imploring Putin, during an interview this week on Real America’s Voice network, to release information about Hunter Biden’s nefarious activities.

The basic argument, outlined in a manifesto titled “Away From the Abyss” appearing in the new Compact magazine, is that aiding Ukraine is tantamount to hurting Ukraine. In resisting deescalation, the U.S. and its allies, so the thinking goes, run the risk of encouraging hapless Ukrainians to battle to the last man, all in the hopes of pursuing a Western-led regime change policy toward Moscow that might well trigger a global cataclysm.

Joe Kent is a 41-year-old former Green Beret running for Congress as a Republican endorsed by Trump. Addressing the conference via video, Kent explained, “Our political establishment is dead set on driving us into a catastrophic conflict with Russia.” More lethal aid to Kyiv and cyberattacks on Russia are a path to war. “We must be pragmatic,” he said. His pragmatism appears to consist of granting Putin what he covets: “Putin has laid out what he wants in Ukraine — a decent starting point,” and his demands for control over Donetsk and Luhansk are “very reasonable.”

Rep. Matt Rosendale (R-Mont.) echoed Kent’s views about Ukraine. The real invasion, he suggested, wasn’t taking place in Ukraine but on America’s southern border. He explained that he opposed bills targeting Russia in Congress because “I could not support that at the exact same time we are seeing an invasion take place on our own southern border.” While “life in the Ukraine is sad and tragic,” America should be more concerned about the 100,000 American citizens who died of drug overdoses — “just as dead from an invasion.” Nor was he particularly impressed by Biden’s efforts to send aid to Ukraine, declaring, “I have major concerns about a compromised president of the United States who is sending incredible support to a less-than-forthright president of the Ukraine.”

More at https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/04/02/trump-conservatives-
emergency-meeting-gop-russia-00022419


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, April 3, 2022 6:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Didn’t Trump already explain that he would have withheld financial military aid in exchange for “a favor”? It was a perfect phone call.



I don't remember signing up to give a billion to Ukraine when Obama was President.

That billion was to keep Russia from overrunning Europe. And the USA has spent much more than that, again, to keep Russia from overrunning Europe. Think of all money that could have been saved by letting Russia own the world. But once Russia owned the world, I am not so sure Russia would tolerate the USA continuing to exist .

The estimate of $634 billion in total costs for nuclear forces over the 2021–2030 period.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57240

From 1940-1996, the United States spent a minimum of $5.5 trillion on its nuclear weapons program.
https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/costs-us-nuclear-weapons/

I don't know how much was spent from 1997 to 2020 on nukes, but I'm pretty sure it is in the trillions of dollars, and the money was spent to keep Russia from owning the world with its nukes.

Unfortunately, with all that money spent, there never was a direct war between Russia and the USA to permanently knock down the threat of Russia owning the world, but Ukraine is doing that job for the USA and doing it very inexpensively compared to what the USA has spent on nukes. The USA will spend $60 billion in 2022 just to keep it's nukes ready to use, without actually using any of them on Russia, for which all those nukes are targeted.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two





So Biden* was going to risk Russia invading Europe just because Zelensky was going to allow their AG to investigate Burisma while his son was "working" there and getting paid $50,000 per month at a job he was in no way qualified to do, you say?

That doesn't sound very Liberal.

OPPS. Checkmate.



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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Sunday, April 3, 2022 9:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

So Biden* was going to risk Russia invading Europe just because Zelensky was going to allow their AG to investigate Burisma while his son was "working" there and getting paid $50,000 per month at a job he was in no way qualified to do, you say?

That doesn't sound very Liberal.

OPPS. Checkmate.

Oops? 6ix, it is not a checkmate when you dump all the chess pieces and board onto the floor. You're repeating a fake story that was proven false many years ago and got Trump impeached and should have ended with a conviction, according to a Republican Senator who voted to convict: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/05/mitt-romney-impeachment-vote-
speech-transcript-110849


Trump claimed, and never stopped, that Joe Biden strong-armed the Ukrainian government to fire its top prosecutor in order to thwart an investigation into a company tied to his son, Hunter Biden.

But Viktor Shokin was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

6ix, you should know the rest of that story: Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

In a July phone call, Trump asked the president of Ukraine to investigate Biden's actions. That prompted a whistleblower to accuse Trump of asking a foreign government to interfere in the 2020 presidential election, which is now the subject of an impeachment inquiry.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-ha
ppened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, April 3, 2022 9:05 PM

Ukraine accuses Russia of war crimes

“Corpses of executed people still line the Yabluska street in Bucha. Their hands are tied behind their backs with white ‘civilian’ rags, they were shot in the back of their heads. So you can imagine what kind of lawlessness they perpetrated here,” Bucha mayor Anatoliy Fedoruk told Reuters on Saturday.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/03/europe/bucha-ukraine-civilian-deaths-in
tl/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, April 3, 2022 9:16 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

So Biden* was going to risk Russia invading Europe just because Zelensky was going to allow their AG to investigate Burisma while his son was "working" there and getting paid $50,000 per month at a job he was in no way qualified to do, you say?

That doesn't sound very Liberal.

OPPS. Checkmate.

Oops? 6ix, it is not a checkmate when you dump all the chess pieces and board onto the floor. You're repeating a fake story that was proven false many years ago



It's not a false story. We've got Biden* on video bragging about it.


YOU SAID: "That billion was to keep Russia from overrunning Europe."

BIDEN* SAID:



You have no argument here.


If that billion was truly to keep Russia from overrunning Europe, as you said, then Biden* was holding the entire continent of Europe hostage to get what he wanted.


SPOILER ALERT: That's not what that billion was for, and so all Biden* was holding hostage was a Billion U.S. taxpayer dollars for who-the-fuck-knows-what, but this is just another example of you parroting two different lies that don't jibe.



Cognitive dissonance has no place in Chess. I'd destroy you in a Chess match.

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THG
Sunday, April 3, 2022 9:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Ukraine accuses Russia of war crimes

“Corpses of executed people still line the Yabluska street in Bucha. Their hands are tied behind their backs with white ‘civilian’ rags, they were shot in the back of their heads. So you can imagine what kind of lawlessness they perpetrated here,” Bucha mayor Anatoliy Fedoruk told Reuters on Saturday.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/03/europe/bucha-ukraine-civilian-deaths-in
tl/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two





The Russians are disgusting. What they are doing is indefensible.

T


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