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Quote:Thanks for your posts and new information, JAYNEZ.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Jeezus, endless handwringing from JAYNEZ.
Everything you posted, I already posted. I got my info from Moon of Alabama. Maybe you should go there and get some credible info instead mouthbreating hysteria.
The bomb threat was real but it didn't seem credbible because they demanded a ceasefire in Gaza altho one was already in effect. The mystery is who sent the emails, not Belarus' response. I posted that right away. Get over it, already.
She obviously does not get it, and likely never will. Not your problem.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I got my info from Moon of Alabama.
Do they have a different moon in Alabama?
Because where I come from we just call it Moon.
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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
PROTONMAIL FALSELY IMPLIES THAT EMAIL THREAT WAS RECEIVED AFTER RYANIAR WAS DIVERTED ...Quote:So, it's clear that the first bomb threat was received BEFORE the plane entered Belarus' airspace.
ProtonMail, [is] an encrypted end-to-end email provider in Switzerland which [which] promises 'Swiss Privacy Data Security and Neutrality'...
ProtonMail may or may not have made that quite explicit headline claim. It is however 100% false. Belarus received a legit bomb threat against a Ryanair flight via an email sent through the ProtonMail mail servers. After receiving the email it contacted the plane in question and recommended to the pilot to divert the plane to Minsk. The pilot voluntarily followed that advice.
ProtonMail has made no effort to correct the false impression and false headlines its statement has caused. It has instead obfuscated the issue as much as it could. ...
Due to the malign behavior of ProtonMail new sanctions against Belarus, which will directly or indirectly hurt every Belorussian citizen, were introduced by the United States, the EU and other countries.
Moon of Alabama has detailed the publicly available evidence of the case and has called on ProtonMail to correct the record. ProtonMail responded and communicated with me via Twitter. In its communication with me ProtonMail indirectly admitted that the above headline is wrong. The complete exchange is of public interest and therefore copied below.
How did this happen?
On May 23 at 9:25 utc some yet unknown person used a ProtonMail email account to send a bomb threat against Ryanair flight 4978 witch at that time was in the air flying from Greece to Vilnius, Lithuania.
The email was directly addressed in the "Send to:" field to the Lithuanian administration responsible for Lithuanian airports. The airport of Minsk, Belarus, with the email address info@airport.by, was copied in the "CC to:" 'Carbon copy' field of the very same email.
In communication with me ProtonMail tried to claim that this meant that Minsk was not directly addressed in that email. That is nonsense. Any email server will handled email addresses in the "Send To:", "Carbon Copy (CC) to:" and "Blind Carbon Copy (BCC) to:" fields equally in that it will resolve the IP-address of the appropriate server responsible for receiving emails to that email-address. It will then open a session with it that server and deliver the mail. It makes no difference for the receiving side in which "To:" field of the sent email it was mentioned. It will get a full copy of the email.
Minsk received the first email at 9:25 utc. At 9:30 utc Ryanair flight 4978 entered Belorussian airspace. It was immediately contacted by the Belorussian Air Traffic Control (ATC) and made aware of the bomb threat against the plane.
I have a question: If the email had been sent to Vilnus, why didn't the authorities there attempt to contact the Ryanair flight? Not in their airspace? Attempted to call Ryanair (like Belarus claims it did) but couldn't get anyone on the phone? (like Belarus claims happened)Quote:The transcript is ONCE AGAIN made available, for your perusal
The complete English language radio exchange between the Ryanair pilot, call sign RYR 1TZ, and the ATC as well as a narrative of what had happened was published by the Belorussian air traffic authorities (scroll down for the English version and the radio transcript).
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/05/like-an-amoral-infant-how-proton
mail-contributes-to-false-media-claims-about-belarus.html#more
Yanno, this is very much like the "quid pro quo" that Trump was accused of, or the claim that "Trump incited insurrection". When you have the original source material available, why goNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
UKRAINE did not receive the emailed threat, UKRAINE didn't know about it, thereforethey couldn't do anything about it. It was sent directly to Vilnius, Lithuania.
Minsk, Belarus was cc:d, at least according to the email service.
So Vilnius, Roman's destination and presumed safe haven, gets an emailed bomb threat.
What was their response?
Did they HAVE a response?
Did they try to contact the Ryanair flight directly? Did they try to contact Ryanair corporate HQ? Ukraine ATC? Belarus ATC?
Did they ignore it?
There are phone records and server records and ATC records and all kinds of ways to ferret out what, exactly, happened. In this whole story I find no problem with Belarus' response which -as far as I understand- was according to protocol, but two VERY loose threads that might tell us who started this whole thing and why, and who was complicit.
1) Who sent the email?
2) What was Vilnius' response to the threat?
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Quote:As I explained, what could Vilnius do? Vilnius (or Lithuania ATC) had to wait for the plane to switch to their frequency - which the plane was about to do, before being diverted to the farthest airport available. Lithuania cannot switch to the Minsk frequency to interlope on those transmissions.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
UKRAINE did not receive the emailed threat, UKRAINE didn't know about it, thereforethey couldn't do anything about it. It was sent directly to Vilnius, Lithuania.
Minsk, Belarus was cc:d, at least according to the email service.
Why didn't VILNIUS (LITHUANIA) do anything about it?
As soon as the pilot switched to the frequency for Lithuania, they could have been diverted to Kaunas airport - no muss, no fuss.
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I think you just explained why Belarusian ATC ordered the plane to land at Minsk, Belarus; instead of at Vilnius, Lithuania.
Belarus received the email bomb threat directly because it was cc'd.
While the plane was in Belarusian airspace it was under control of- and in communication with- Belarusian ATC; all other ATC control communications being excluded. So Belarusian ATC ordered the flight to land at Minsk because Minsk was the only airport Belarusian ATC could coordinate with. And Belarusian ATC obviously couldn't order the flight to land at a non-Belarusian airport under a different non-Belarusian ATC control.
Hence Belarusian ATC ordered the flight to land at Minsk, Belarus; and not at Vilnius, Lithuania, even though Lithuania was 'closer'.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:As I explained, what could Vilnius do? Vilnius (or Lithuania ATC) had to wait for the plane to switch to their frequency - which the plane was about to do, before being diverted to the farthest airport available. Lithuania cannot switch to the Minsk frequency to interlope on those transmissions.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
UKRAINE did not receive the emailed threat, UKRAINE didn't know about it, thereforethey couldn't do anything about it. It was sent directly to Vilnius, Lithuania.
Minsk, Belarus was cc:d, at least according to the email service.
Why didn't VILNIUS (LITHUANIA) do anything about it?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
So Vilnius ATC couldn't do anything bc they were not on contact with the plane, and KIEV ATC couldn't do anything bc they didn't know about the threat. It was all up to Minsk ATC.
BTW, where doyou getthis crazy idea that the fighter jet intercepted Ryanair before the bomb threat was received, and before the pilot sent out a mayday (request to land)?
Most people that I know say that the fighter jet didn't get off the ground until Ryanair had already turned around.
BTW Belarus has been requesting a full investigation from the ICAO. I heard they were going to do one, https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2021-05-28/icao-
council-agrees-investigation-belarus-incident then I heard they weren't. What are they, as crooked as OPCW?
I know you're jonesing to pin something, anything on Belarus, but we will never know who set this up until we know who sent the emails, and we'll never know unless an investigation is done.
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A Second Bomb Threat?
https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-boeing-737-berlin-bomb-threat/
Ryanair Boeing 737 Diverts To Berlin Following Bomb Threat
Phone Call reported bomb threat on board?
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Quote:The Kaunas airport was the obvious preferable, closer destination.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:As I explained, what could Vilnius do? Vilnius (or Lithuania ATC) had to wait for the plane to switch to their frequency - which the plane was about to do, before being diverted to the farthest airport available. Lithuania cannot switch to the Minsk frequency to interlope on those transmissions.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
UKRAINE did not receive the emailed threat, UKRAINE didn't know about it, thereforethey couldn't do anything about it. It was sent directly to Vilnius, Lithuania.
Minsk, Belarus was cc:d, at least according to the email service.
Why didn't VILNIUS (LITHUANIA) do anything about it?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
So Vilnius ATC couldn't do anything bc they were not on contact with the plane, and KIEV ATC couldn't do anything bc they didn't know about the threat. It was all up to Minsk ATC.
BTW, where doyou getthis crazy idea that the fighter jet intercepted Ryanair before the bomb threat was received, and before the pilot sent out a mayday (request to land)?
Most people that I know say that the fighter jet didn't get off the ground until Ryanair had already turned around.
BTW Belarus has been requesting a full investigation from the ICAO. I heard they were going to do one, https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2021-05-28/icao-
council-agrees-investigation-belarus-incident then I heard they weren't. What are they, as crooked as OPCW?
I know you're jonesing to pin something, anything on Belarus, but we will never know who set this up until we know who sent the emails, and we'll never know unless an investigation is done.
The Lithuania ATC couldn't contact the plane YET, until the plane contacted them, which it was on the verge of doing.
The email reportedly was sent to some office in Lithuania. Perhaps the Belarussians knew that this office was not manned at this hour - and likewise knew that to office in Belarus which was CC'd was open and waiting for it.
Reasonable CCs on a legitimate email would have included Ryanair operations offices, and the national Aviation Authorities of the nations the flight overpasses, like Ukraine. And not just Belarus.
Most of the conversations around the web about this event discuss that the Interceptor fighter was launched immediately upon the plane entering Belarus airspace.
Why not 5 minutes before, when the email "threat" was received?
Otherwise, if it was not going to detonate until over Vilnius, why bother with the escort at all in Belarus airspace?
And, of course, landing at Kaunas would have eliminated all problems.
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JSF, you, SLOPPY, and THUGGER all share the same eagerness to lynch someone on the basis of biased speculation. Your biases are different. But your emotional responses are the same.
And I have to ask you the same questions I ask THUGGER all the time - Why do you care so much? - And why should the US get involved?
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