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Quote:Equipment may have changed.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Amateurs CONSTANTLY listen in on pilot/ATC conversations, which is how some really funny Youtube compilations are made. (I even posted some of them myself.)
Therefore if the Belarus' version of the transcript was wrong or incomplete, that could be pointed out by any number of people right away. Hence, Belarus has no reason to fake a transcript. In addition the "black box" records all cockpit noise, which would also reveal a fake transcript.
The Flight Data Recorder does constantly record all of the Flight Data, indicators, controls, etc.
But the Cockpit Voice Recorder normally does not. It normally records when triggered, like by voice, or by communication mic switch, or alarm activation, and other triggers. It does not normally record when all cockpit crew are focused on their instruments or calculations, not talking - or they did not used to. This is why recorder transcripts seem quite curt, brief, edited, and mere seconds are recorded when 8 minutes of flight time have elapsed.
CVR does record pilots chatting about hippos, ducks, and such - which are cloud formations (because they are supposed to be visually checking the sky), but the recordings did not used to be full of silence. Remember that the most heavily worn out spots in the entire cockpit are a pair of spots right in front of the seats of Pilot and Co-pilot, where their feet rest on the cowling. Everything else in the cockpit gets replaced, but not that. Every commercial piolt hopes for a long and boring flight, no excitement.
Amateur listeners also do not hear what is said in the cockpit, nor in the Control Tower, but only what is broadcast between.
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It's the conversation between the ATC and pilot that's at issue, isn't it?
How does the pilot learn about a bomb threat?
ATC
How does a pilot learn about a military escort?
ATC (Unless the military plane comes into view and waggles it's wings or shows it's missiles... no indication this happened.)
How does a pilot declare mayday?
How is a pilot directed to the alternate airport? given a heading?
All of that's recorded.
Whether the copilot complains to the pilot about the pilots bean-heavy lunch is irrelevant. As far as I can tell,all RELEVANT conversation is recorded.
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Reading some online gossip this guy says
'the arrested passenger faces the death penalty in Belarus.'
https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/ryanair-civilian-air
liner-forced-to-land-in-minsk-by-belarusian-mig-29-passenger-arrested.14951/
This user comments 'Very disturbing. Journalism is a very dangerous profession for many.'
https://imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/271448/belarus-diverts-ryanair-fli
ght-journalist?page=1
'Belarus will still trade with a lot of countries, it just means that it will all be handled by Moscow.'
https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=180466&am
p;start=40
This poster says 'The EU will just further sanction Belarus, making Russia their only ally. Hopefully the sanctioning of Russia will force the two to behave like real countries toward the rest of the world.'
http://canadaka.net/forums/international-politics-f2/belarus-accused-o
f-hijacking-ryanair-flight-t125268.html
'This is a huge deal. I hope the response is strong.'
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other-european-airlines/2040823-ryanai
r-forced-land-belarus.html
As I understand it there could be as many as Five missing people, 2 writers or 'journalists' say and 3 let's say also 'strange' or odd passengers.
The Aircraft has been allowed reach its destination, some say on the orders of the President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko. The Airplane allowed to depart Belarus, diverted from Greece and finally reaching Vilnius in Europe behind schedule but minus the missing journalist and his wife or girlfriend? Some compare it to the Bolivia guy and Snowden, Jen Psaki was also around back then in 2013 making statements on Evo Morales grounding incident. However I believe this is a different situation, it appears to be a far worse escalation with the whole nature of the hijack bomb threat, the MiG-29 fighter jet intercept and the detainment or kidnapping of a journalist.
FBI now launches a probe because of the terror threat nature of the event.
Two were detained and there seem to be 3 'missing people' it was speculated that these were some kinds of militarist spy or secret military police working with Belarus to capture the journalists.
All of the other people have been allowed reach their destination as the aircraft continued flight again.
The journalist Roman Protasevich, Sofia Sapega, 23, were arrested when the plane landed.
On social media we see reports from Belarus tv which said these missing passengers had been heading for Minsk anyway, and Minsk was convenient walking distance for his/her final destination.
Lithuanian police are now working to confirm who these missing unaccounted 3 are or what they were doing?
White House announces sanctions over Belarus' passenger plane interception
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/28/white-house-belarus-sanction-
491402
"Belarus's forced diversion of a commercial Ryanair flight under false pretenses, traveling between two member states of the European Union, and the subsequent removal and arrest of Raman Pratasevich, a Belarusian journalist, are a direct affront to international norms," White House press secretary Jen Psaki said in a statement.
The White House on Friday said the Department of State has issued a Level 4 Do Not Travel Warning to U.S. citizens, urging them to not travel to Belarus.
The White House said it is also coordinating with the European Union and other allies to develop targeted sanctions against Lukashenka and members of his regime
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why should Biden "do something" about a plane that was diverted to a major airport bc of a bomb threat? Why should Biden do ANYTHING about a foreign aircraft operating in foreign airspace where American lives and safety were not threatened?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Aircraft makers take incidents very serious, if anything happens they do their best to fix it so it never happens again and I believe this i
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I'm not sure how an aircraft company can design a plane to prevent a bomb threat.
"a bomb threat that never existed" More accurately, the bomb THREAT existed, the but bomb itself didn't, as is true in nearly all bomb threats.
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I don't recall seeing any account stating that the pilots knew about the fighter escort, until after landing. But maybe I missed it.
Quote:Now this is an interesting linky. I didn't get to see it until Saturday, when this site was down. Or maybe Friday
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
A US made Boeing 737 Aircraft
Flight track
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/fr4978#27cce9a2
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/RYR1TZ/history/20210523/0731Z/LGAV
/UMMS
Unfortunately, that site only seems to work for 7 days after the flight, so it likely will not be available sometime on Sunday. Actually, those are 2 sites, and they are both still up now.
They include a plot of the flight path, as if from satellite view above.
Below that, there is a data graph with airspeed (knots) or mph, and altitude in feet. flightradar24 has gradients on their graph, and some color coding regarding cruising altitude.
I'll post some data I found. Since I'm not there, I can't verify or confirm, but some of it does not seem to add up.
Looks like about over Lida when their flight path took a steep turn, completing a 180 degree change in direction - for no logical reason from their story. Then it flew farther out of it's way down to about Mir Castle, before finally vectoring over to the Minsk airport.
Distances
From Vilnius to Lida: 56 miles
Vilnius to Minsk airport: 123 miles
Vilnius to Kaunas: 57 miles
Kaunas to Minsk: 183 miles
Minsk airport seems to be 40 miles on the far side of Minsk.
Lida to Minsk: 93 miles
Lida to Kaunas: 90 miles
Lida to Mir Castle: about 75 miles
Mir Castle to Minsk airport: about 56 miles
Flight path from Lida to Mir Castle to Minsk airport: about 131 miles
Flight time: 2h, 51min = 171 minutes, from 10:29 (Belarus time) to 13:20.
From rough interpolation of the data from these 2 sites:
Around 10:47 the flight achieves cruising altitude (~38,000 feet).
After entering Ukraine airspace, around 12:10 the flight maintains cruising altitude but increases airspeed to about 470 knots, or 540mph.
This lasts until about 12:46 1/2, when there is a sudden bump up in speed, then sudden drop.
At about 12:49, 2 things happen: the speed suddenly jumps back up to it's prior rate briefly, then starts to plummet, and at this same moment the altitude departs it's cruising altitude and immediately and steadily drops.
At about 12:55 1/2 the altitude drop rate changes, starting to transition to leveling off at 10,000 feet. (note: if an imminent danger of fuselage breach, rapid descent would decrease the pressure differential between passenger cabin to exterior, and also takes away a danger of oxygen loss).
The flight path heads mostly directly from Athens toward Vilnius, with a bulge to avoid the north Aegean Sea for some reason.
The flight flew about 140 miles into Belarus airspace before performing a sudden U-turn, a few minutes away from escaping Belarus airspace when over Lida.
Diverting instead to the closer Kaunas, where Ryanair seems to have 3 flights daily, would have needed a far less drastic left turn, even if they wanted to avoid proximity to Vilnius. And flight time would have been at least 11 minutes less.
The distance of the reversed direction is farther from Lida than the Lithuanian border was. This direction towards Athens is not the direction of Minsk.
The new flight direction is not towards Minsk. There is little need for this, according to the story from the communists. However, such a direction would have still had the flight entering Lithuanian airspace briefly - and if there was a threat from the fighter "escort" to stay within Belarus airspace, this would explain the drastic flight path change.
After narrowly avoiding Lithuanian airspace, the flight path delves farther into the heart of Belarus, far from the savior of Lithuania. The flight finally turns toward Minsk after about 15 minutes towards Mir Castle.
From the transcript available:
12:30 Entered Belarus airspace.
12:
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ATC didn't tell them about the fighter escort, so how would the pilots know?
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European officials have called a bomb threat improbable, and the European Union has restricted its carriers from flying over Belarus.
https://eresearch.fidelity.com/eresearch/evaluate/news/basicNewsStory.
jhtml?symbols=RYAAY&storyid=202105251459DOWJONESDJONLINE000175&sb=1
Yes, but would they have preferred that ATC and the pilots NOT respond to a bomb threat? Even if it seemed a little dubious?
The encrypted emailer really needs to come clean about the number, timing, and source of the (two?) emails.
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I guess its possible some person in Belarus by their perspective are telling some kind of truth but the more information that comes out the less plausible the less credible the Belorussian story seems.
The Polish are involved bacuse the aircraft was operated by the Polish airline subsidiary Buzz, headquartered in Warsaw. Formerly called Ryanair Sun.
Why is the E-mail dated late, are they in different time zones?
Was the Email in Swiss German Schweizerdeutsch, was it in Belorussian in Eastern BieLa ruskaja mova, was the Email wrote in Arabic or was the Email in broken English?
Wikipedia quotes Legal experts
Ukrainian aviation lawyer Andriy Huk suggested that the interception by the military aircraft and redirection of the aircraft to a more distant airport could have jeopardized the safety of the passengers and crew. He also noted that Appendix 2 of Chicago Convention considers interception of civilian aircraft by the military as a very last resort, but the Belarusian military jet took off immediately. Associate professor at the Russian Higher School of Economics Gleb Bogush stated that the staging (dramatizing) of a bomb threat and the interception of the aircraft by the Belarusian authorities could have jeopardized the passengers and crew and that both the Chicago Convention and 1971 Montreal Convention should be used in the legal assessment of the case. He also called the situation "a very dangerous precedent"
At one time the Empire of old Fascist Japan delivered its Kamikaze Letters Late? Japan delivers its letter 7.5 hours after Japanese forces started an attack at Pearl Harbor??
Russia releases $500m loan to Belarus as west imposes sanctions
https://www.ft.com/content/5953320d-c342-457a-af40-50424d159ffd
Is the Hamas thing real?
Irrelevant Information as a Distraction
'Hamas bomb threat sparked landing: Belarus'
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7267315/hamas-bomb-threat-spark
ed-landing-belarus/
'A Polish deputy foreign minister, Pawel Jablonski, told broadcaster TVN24 his government had heard from Protasevich's mother about his being in poor health.
Belarus's interior ministry said Protasevich was being held in jail and had not complained of ill health.'
Belarus points to Hamas bomb threat in plane diversion, Hamas rejects claim
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/belarus-points-hamas-bomb-threat-174417977.h
tml
Authorities released what they said was a text of the bomb alert as officials sought to defuse a mounting international outcry over what Western capitals have denounced as an act of "state piracy".
Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum denied his group had any knowledge or connection.
Minsk scrambled a warplane to escort a Ryanair flight on Sunday, flagging a bomb alert that proved false once the plane had made an unscheduled landing in Belarus where authorities arrested Roman Protasevich, a journalist critical of Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko.
Hamas is a mohammedan islamic terrorist miltant group in the area of israel pakestine,
Hamas it is "Islamic Resistance Movement" a Palestinian Sunni Islamist paramilitary organisation. It was started in 1987 during the First Intifada by Ahmed Yassin and Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi as the Gaza branch of the Muslim Brotherhood organization in Egypt.
In the 2006 Palestinian election, Hamas got 74 of 132 seats in parliament and controls the Gaza Strip.
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
The group wants to build a Palestinian state based on Islamic values in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip. Hamas does not recognize the State of Israel.
Hamas is known for its military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, which plans and carries out attacks on Israel. Because of its policy of suicide bombings and rocket attacks on civilians in Israel, the United States, European Union and other countries call it a terrorist organisation. The country of Jordan has made the group illegal. However, many of the international press, i
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Jeezus, endless handwringing from JAYNEZ.
Everything you posted, I already posted. I got my info from Moon of Alabama. Maybe you should go there and get some credible info instead mouthbreating hysteria.
The bomb threat was real but it didn't seem credbible because they demanded a ceasefire in Gaza altho one was already in effect. The mystery is who sent the emails, not Belarus' response. I posted that right away. Get over it, already.
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PROTONMAIL FALSELY IMPLIES THAT EMAIL THREAT WAS RECEIVED AFTER RYANIAR WAS DIVERTED ...
Quote:So, it's clear that the first bomb threat was received BEFORE the plane entered Belarus' airspace.
ProtonMail, [is] an encrypted end-to-end email provider in Switzerland which [which] promises 'Swiss Privacy Data Security and Neutrality'...
ProtonMail may or may not have made that quite explicit headline claim. It is however 100% false. Belarus received a legit bomb threat against a Ryanair flight via an email sent through the ProtonMail mail servers. After receiving the email it contacted the plane in question and recommended to the pilot to divert the plane to Minsk. The pilot voluntarily followed that advice.
ProtonMail has made no effort to correct the false impression and false headlines its statement has caused. It has instead obfuscated the issue as much as it could. ...
Due to the malign behavior of ProtonMail new sanctions against Belarus, which will directly or indirectly hurt every Belorussian citizen, were introduced by the United States, the EU and other countries.
Moon of Alabama has detailed the publicly available evidence of the case and has called on ProtonMail to correct the record. ProtonMail responded and communicated with me via Twitter. In its communication with me ProtonMail indirectly admitted that the above headline is wrong. The complete exchange is of public interest and therefore copied below.
How did this happen?
On May 23 at 9:25 utc some yet unknown person used a ProtonMail email account to send a bomb threat against Ryanair flight 4978 witch at that time was in the air flying from Greece to Vilnius, Lithuania.
The email was directly addressed in the "Send to:" field to the Lithuanian administration responsible for Lithuanian airports. The airport of Minsk, Belarus, with the email address info@airport.by, was copied in the "CC to:" 'Carbon copy' field of the very same email.
In communication with me ProtonMail tried to claim that this meant that Minsk was not directly addressed in that email. That is nonsense. Any email server will handled email addresses in the "Send To:", "Carbon Copy (CC) to:" and "Blind Carbon Copy (BCC) to:" fields equally in that it will resolve the IP-address of the appropriate server responsible for receiving emails to that email-address. It will then open a session with it that server and deliver the mail. It makes no difference for the receiving side in which "To:" field of the sent email it was mentioned. It will get a full copy of the email.
Minsk received the first email at 9:25 utc. At 9:30 utc Ryanair flight 4978 entered Belorussian airspace. It was immediately contacted by the Belorussian Air Traffic Control (ATC) and made aware of the bomb threat against the plane.
I have a question: If the email had been sent to Vilnus, why didn't the authorities there attempt to contact the Ryanair flight? Not in their airspace? Attempted to call Ryanair (like Belarus claims it did) but couldn't get anyone on the phone? (like Belarus claims happened)
Quote:The transcript is ONCE AGAIN made available, for your perusal
The complete English language radio exchange between the Ryanair pilot, call sign RYR 1TZ, and the ATC as well as a narrative of what had happened was published by the Belorussian air traffic authorities (scroll down for the English version and the radio transcript).
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/05/like-an-amoral-infant-how-proton
mail-contributes-to-false-media-claims-about-belarus.html#more
Yanno, this is very much like the "quid pro quo" that Trump was accused of, or the claim that "Trump incited insurrection". When you have the original source material available, why go to some secondary, tertiary, or more di
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