The Trump cult
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Friday, December 4, 2020 23:00
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Yanno, one of the things that comes up over and over again by TDSers here on this board is the idea that Trump supporters are "cultists". That they have elevated him to the level of high priest and believe everything that he says.
As far as I can tell, that belongs in the trash, along with calling anyone who disagress with you a "Russian troll/racist/fascist", and it shows a SERIOUS misunderstanding of Trump supporters, and an insufferable hubris.
Just reading the posts here, listening to pro-Trump podcasters, and talking with Trump voters IRL, they tend to be pretty well-grounded and center-of-the-road people. Very few of them (except maybe "Dave" of X22) believe that Trump is a flawless mastermind of strategy, and almost all of them (with, again, a few exceptions) have some kind of disagreement with either his policies or the execution of his policies, or both.
Me, for example. I voted for Trump for THREE REASONS. Only THREE. Not because I supported everything that he proposed, or thought that he was some kind of saint, or because I'm a "Russian troll" or because I thought he would return us to some never-existent heyday. From the very start, I said he was a loose cannon, and that I strongly disagreed with his policies towards Iran and Israel. I knew - and posted- that he could NOT revive our economy because he has no direct control of investment in production facilities. I believe he has a pretty severe case of adult ADHD and that he runs at the mouth (or the tweet) way too much.
I've found MOST Trump supporters to be balanced about their views of him, recognizing both the positives and the negatives. I've repeatedly tried to engage in discussions of Trumps bad points and good points.
NOT RUSSIA!RUSSIA! which was a complete hoax (which one day you TDSers will eventually admit) and an obvious attempt unseat/delegitimize a democratically-elected President, conducted by our spook agencies and compliant media and corporate social media. But ACTUAL good point and bad points. But TDSers pretty much refused to even engage in rational, fact-based discussion.
In fact, the people who are the most cult-like are the TDSers themselves. Who else would long for a worldwide genocide of 7+ billion people who MIGHT be thinking "wrong thoughts" (as WISHY has doubled down on) or who constantly post such hate-filled posts as "Punch a MAGA" and "I drink your tears" (as REAVERBOT constantly posts) or who constantly lies (like SECONDRATE and CC)?
Will there ever be a time when we can engage in FACT-BASED discussion, recognizing that the "other side" has some legitimate grievances with "the way things are", and problems that need solving? Will the DNC EVER recognize that their pro-transnational elite policies are the source of their election difficulties? Or will they continue their hate-filled tirades past the point of tedium?
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I still can't figure out if you are paid by the post/thread or word...? You've posted variations on this sooooo many times over the years, so maybe all 3?
Yanno what I wish? I wish that just once, you'd tell us what you think America's interests are.
"Will the DNC EVER recognize that their pro-transnational elite policies are the source of their election difficulties?" Sure, "pro-transnational elite policies" are exactly why people voted for Trump.
Jo: "Did you ever look at that Wiki paje about all the Russian contacts? there are hundredz and nobody ever debunked any uv them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_
2016_United_States_elections
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Jo: "Did you ever look at that Wiki paje about all the Russian contacts? there are hundredz and nobody ever debunked any uv them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_
2016_United_States_elections
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63999&p=1
This is what JO claims -
Quote:
Did you ever look at that Wiki paje about all the Russian contacts? there are hundredz and nobody ever debunked any uv them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_
2016_United_States_elections
And right from the wiki page, those hundreds of Trump-Russian contacts apparently include Robert Mueller!!! Barack Obama!!! Bernie Sanders!!! John McCain!!!, Senate Judiciary Democrats!!! ... Gordon Sondland, Christopher Steele, Jill Stein ...
MY GOD!! Who ISN'T a go-between for Trump and Putin???!!!
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I see CC is back to posting more go se.
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Anyway, Signy, I figured since CA is such a blue state, I could vote for whomever I wanted.
So I made a point of voting for NOT the democrat, because there were people on the ballot I supported more than either of the 2 main candidates. And why should I be tribal?
WTH. If you can't support someone you agree with in a perfectly meaningless vote that absolutely nobody cares about, or even notices, when CAN you support them?
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Quote:That is a lie. I have posted thread after thread what I think America's interests are:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I still can't figure out if you are paid by the post/thread or word...? You've posted variations on this sooooo many times over the years, so maybe all 3?
Yanno what I wish? I wish that just once, you'd tell us what you think America's interests are.
National sovereignty (keeping authority athome)
Self sufficient production
Neutral balance of trade
No "intervention" abroad unless it meets or DIRECT interests
Environmental remediation.
Hello????
Any of this ring a bell???
I've posted a lot more, if you recall and can stop lying for just a post or two. all of it as "conversation starters" which you never engaged in.
Quote:Over the years since I've been using Wikipedia, I've watched it drift under the control of the so-called "liberal" elite.
"Will the DNC EVER recognize that their pro-transnational elite policies are the source of their election difficulties?" Sure, "pro-transnational elite policies" are exactly why people voted for Trump.
Jo: "Did you ever look at that Wiki paje about all the Russian contacts? there are hundredz and nobody ever debunked any uv them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_
2016_United_States_elections
Did you know that one of the original founders of Wikipedia left because he couldn't maintain the platform's political neutrality?
Wikipedia is ok for extremely technical info (what are the different properties of polyurethane molecules?) but once it comes to history or politics it's pretty dodgy.
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Yeah, I remember driving my big truck with Obama flags all over it, running people over and shooting them with pepper spray and paintballs.
Wasn't cultish, though.
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Yeah, it's perfectly normal to be slavishly devoted to a liar and to threaten to murder people because he lost.
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"Yeah, it's perfectly normal to be slavishly devoted to a liar ... "
You mean like ... OBAMA?
Who promised to close GITMO? Hold Wall Street to account? Be the most transparent administration ever? And who just released a lying-shitstorm book?
"... and to threaten to murder people because he lost."
Like SECOND/you? Who seem to constantly revert to violence and the threat of shooting/ assassination at any peckish discomfit?
RF is an idiot. It's that simple.
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Quote:Damn, you're stupid af.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Yeah, it's perfectly normal to be slavishly devoted to a liar ... "
You mean like ... OBAMA?
Who promised to close GITMO? Hold Wall Street to account? Be the most transparent administration ever? And who just released a lying-shitstorm book?
"... and to threaten to murder people because he lost."
Like SECOND/you? Who seem to constantly revert to violence and the threat of shooting/ assassination at any peckish discomfit?
RF is an idiot. It's that simple.
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When Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.
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cult
/k?lt/
noun
a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St. Olaf"
You're acting like a cultist right now.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Jo: "Did you ever look at that Wiki paje about all the Russian contacts? there are hundredz and nobody ever debunked any uv them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_
2016_United_States_elections
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63999&p=1
This is what JO claims -
Quote:
Did you ever look at that Wiki paje about all the Russian contacts? there are hundredz and nobody ever debunked any uv them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_
2016_United_States_elections
And right from the wiki page, those hundreds of Trump-Russian contacts apparently include Robert Mueller!!! Barack Obama!!! Bernie Sanders!!! John McCain!!!, Senate Judiciary Democrats!!! ... Gordon Sondland, Christopher Steele, Jill Stein ...
MY GOD!! Who ISN'T a go-between for Trump and Putin???!!!
Fucksake you're worthless.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Damn, you're stupid af.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Yeah, it's perfectly normal to be slavishly devoted to a liar ... "
You mean like ... OBAMA?
Who promised to close GITMO? Hold Wall Street to account? Be the most transparent administration ever? And who just released a lying-shitstorm book?
"... and to threaten to murder people because he lost."
Like SECOND/you? Who seem to constantly revert to violence and the threat of shooting/ assassination at any peckish discomfit?
RF is an idiot. It's that simple.
They switch between acting stupid, lying or filling the forum with cut and paste text from zerohedge or similar - what's the point?
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:That is a lie. I have posted thread after thread what I think America's interests are:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I still can't figure out if you are paid by the post/thread or word...? You've posted variations on this sooooo many times over the years, so maybe all 3?
Yanno what I wish? I wish that just once, you'd tell us what you think America's interests are.
National sovereignty (keeping authority athome)
Self sufficient production
Neutral balance of trade
No "intervention" abroad unless it meets or DIRECT interests
Environmental remediation.
Hello????
Any of this ring a bell???
It's a joke df. You've been circling round to that topic every 3 months for the last decade. Especially when you want to deflect from Trump & Russia. 90% proof that you are paid by the post and are probably running out of topics.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Did you know that one of the original founders of Wikipedia left because he couldn't maintain the platform's political neutrality?
Wikipedia is ok for extremely technical info (what are the different properties of polyurethane molecules?) but once it comes to history or politics it's pretty dodgy.
Weak ass deflection as usual. Can you get someone else to post here? You're constantly saying Trump had nothing to do with Russia but now you can't find anything wrong with a list of connections. Hey...? You're not lying are you?
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Yeah, it's perfectly normal to be slavishly devoted to a liar ... "
You mean like ... OBAMA?
Who promised to close GITMO? Hold Wall Street to account? Be the most transparent administration ever? And who just released a lying-shitstorm book?
"... and to threaten to murder people because he lost."
Like SECOND/you? Who seem to constantly revert to violence and the threat of shooting/ assassination at any peckish discomfit?
Do you have any Evidence for those claims?
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Nope. Nothing cultish here...
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Quote:If I have been circling around this topic for the last DECADE, as you just posted, WTF does that have to do with TRUMP and RUSSIA? Trump has only been in office four years, last time I checked.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:That is a lie. I have posted thread after thread what I think America's interests are:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I still can't figure out if you are paid by the post/thread or word...? You've posted variations on this sooooo many times over the years, so maybe all 3?
Yanno what I wish? I wish that just once, you'd tell us what you think America's interests are.
National sovereignty (keeping authority athome)
Self sufficient production
Neutral balance of trade
No "intervention" abroad unless it meets or DIRECT interests
Environmental remediation.
Hello????
Any of this ring a bell???
It's a joke df. You've been circling round to that topic every 3 months for the last decade. Especially when you want to deflect from Trump & Russia. 90% proof that you are paid by the post and are probably running out of topics.
And why the fuck did you post that I've never provided a list of what I thought were America's interests?
Maybe I post on the topic because I have a genuine interest in America's success.
And maybe you're constantly deflecting from the topic ... oh, and lying about it... because you don't.
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"Yeah, it's perfectly normal to be slavishly devoted to a liar ... "
You mean like ... OBAMA?
Who promised to close GITMO? Hold Wall Street to account? Be the most transparent administration ever? And who just released a lying-shitstorm book?
"... and to threaten to murder people because he lost."
Like SECOND/you? Who seem to constantly revert to violence and the threat of shooting/ assassination at any peckish discomfit?
Quote:
They switch between acting stupid, lying or filling the forum with cut and paste text from zerohedge or similar - what's the point?
Quote:
Do you have any Evidence for those claims?
Alzheimer's worse today? Don't know how to google? Can't distinguish between fantasy and reality? Same old stupid piece of shit? Ethics broken again? So sad.
Sure I have evidence! Because I'm not like you!
Guantanamo Bay: Why has Obama failed on his promise to close controversial detention camp?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/guantanamo-bay-closi
ng-why-has-obama-failed-a7194241.html
"... special unit of federal prosecutors and leading state attorneys general to expand our investigations into the abusive lending and packaging of risky mortgages that led to the housing crisis. (Applause.) This new unit will hold accountable those who broke the law ..."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-i-dont-care-about-t_b_4978653
"I won't stop fighting to open up government."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-obama-adminis
trations-abject-failure-on-transparency/252387/
RF: I hope a black kid beats the shit out of you, pussy racist piece of shit.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62487&p=1
SECOND: My advice to you is to kill any boss who fucks you over, steal his money, and don't get caught.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61954&p=85
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Meanwhile, anyone from the TDS cult have anything interesting to post?
Or are you insistent on the same old completely unlinked (stupidities/ libels/ off-topic diversions) you always post?
RF is an idiot. It's that simple.
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Quote:You're a Russian troll. How seriously do you think we take you? You are easily crushed with basic information, every time. You're not hard to destroy, which is why I crush you constantly.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Meanwhile, anyone from the TDS cult have anything interesting to post?
Or are you insistent on the same old completely unlinked (stupidities/ libels/ off-topic diversions) you always post?
RF is an idiot. It's that simple.
This isn't cultish at all...
The higher the truck, the lower the IQ.
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CULT?
CULT?
CULT?
CULT?
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Don't you people have jobs or something to do?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I still can't figure out if you are paid by the post/thread or word...? You've posted variations on this sooooo many times over the years, so maybe all 3?
Yanno what I wish? I wish that just once, you'd tell us what you think America's interests are.
"Will the DNC EVER recognize that their pro-transnational elite policies are the source of their election difficulties?" Sure, "pro-transnational elite policies" are exactly why people voted for Trump.
Jo: "Did you ever look at that Wiki paje about all the Russian contacts? there are hundredz and nobody ever debunked any uv them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_
2016_United_States_elections
Sig, kiki = russian trolls
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Bottom line is Biden's a winner, Trump and his minions are losers.
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We're all losers if Biden actually gets inaugurated.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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‘Reach Out to Trump Supporters,’ They Said. I Tried.
I give up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/opinion/trump-supporters.html
I did my part. What was my reward? Listening to Trump’s base chant, “Send her back!” in reference to Representative Ilhan Omar, a black Muslim woman, who came to America as a refugee. I saw the Republican Party transform the McCloskeys into victims, even though the wealthy St. Louis couple illegally brandished firearms against peaceful BLM protesters. Their bellicosity was rewarded with a prime time slot at the Republican National Convention where they warned about “chaos” in the suburbs being invaded by people of color. Their speech would have fit well in ”The Birth of a Nation."
We cannot help people who refuse to help themselves. Trump is an extension of their id, their culture, their values, their greed. He is their defender and savior. He is their blunt instrument. He is their destructive drug of choice.
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Quote:And then he goes on to complain that I have been posting about America's interests for a DECADE, long before TRUMP! and RUSSIA! ever became issues.
CC:
I still can't figure out if you are paid by the post/thread or word...? You've posted variations on this sooooo many times over the years, so maybe all 3?
Yanno what I wish? I wish that just once, you'd tell us what you think America's interests are.
Because he lies so much, he can't even keep his own lies straight.
Quote:And then THUGR swallows the schiess that CC shits out, and thinks it's chocolate milk. When I've found the stupidest post in a thread, I know it's THUGR's
SIGNY: "Will the DNC EVER recognize that their pro-transnational elite policies are the source of their election difficulties?" Sure, "pro-transnational elite policies" are exactly why people voted for Trump.
Jo: "Did you ever look at that Wiki paje about all the Russian contacts? there are hundredz and nobody ever debunked any uv them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_
2016_United_States_elections
THUGR: Sig, kiki = russian trolls
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Everyone knows you're a Russian troll. That is a fact, not an assumption.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
‘Reach Out to Trump Supporters,’ They Said. I Tried.
I give up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/opinion/trump-supporters.html
I did my part. What was my reward? Listening to Trump’s base chant, “Send her back!” in reference to Representative Ilhan Omar, a black Muslim woman, who came to America as a refugee. I saw the Republican Party transform the McCloskeys into victims, even though the wealthy St. Louis couple illegally brandished firearms against peaceful BLM protesters. Their bellicosity was rewarded with a prime time slot at the Republican National Convention where they warned about “chaos” in the suburbs being invaded by people of color. Their speech would have fit well in ”The Birth of a Nation."
We cannot help people who refuse to help themselves. Trump is an extension of their id, their culture, their values, their greed. He is their defender and savior. He is their blunt instrument. He is their destructive drug of choice.
Four years of whining and crying and literally burning shit down and you're going to pretend that Leftists are taking the high ground now.
lol
Good luck with that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:WOW, look at that: REAVERBOT describes his own cult member-like behavior.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
It's bizarre, it really is: the stupidest person complains how stupid other people are, the most evil person rants how other people are evil, and the most brainwashed person insists that others are cult members. All so very on-target. Not.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I see CC is back to posting more go se.
So you can't refute anything on that list? Just deflect and run away? Curious.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:And then he goes on to complain that I have been posting about America's interests for a DECADE, long before TRUMP! and RUSSIA! ever became issues.
CC:
I still can't figure out if you are paid by the post/thread or word...? You've posted variations on this sooooo many times over the years, so maybe all 3?
Yanno what I wish? I wish that just once, you'd tell us what you think America's interests are.
You got punked, sweety - deal with it. Or, maybe you don't remember posting "what are America's issues?" about a dozen times? Brain leak? Sad.
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Have fun being completely useless all day everyone.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Alzheimer's worse today? Don't know how to google? Can't distinguish between fantasy and reality? Same old stupid piece of shit? Ethics broken again? So sad.
I can't wait to throw that back in your face every time you dumbly say, "do you have evidence?"
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Sure I have evidence! Because I'm not like you!
Guantanamo Bay: Why has Obama failed on his promise to close controversial detention camp?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/guantanamo-bay-closi
ng-why-has-obama-failed-a7194241.html
That's not evidence he lied - did you read the article you posted? FAIL
"... special unit of federal prosecutors and leading state attorneys general to expand our investigations into the abusive lending and packaging of risky mortgages that led to the housing crisis. (Applause.) This new unit will hold accountable those who broke the law ..."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-i-dont-care-about-t_b_4978653
Nope: "But, two years later, the Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Justice issued on 13 March 2014 its “Audit of the Department of Justice’s Efforts to Address Mortgage Fraud,” and reported that it turned out to be just a lie [from the DOJ]. DOJ didn’t even try; and they lied even about their efforts. The IG found: “DOJ did not uniformly ensure that mortgage fraud was prioritized at a level commensurate with its public statements. For example, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Criminal Investigative Division ranked mortgage fraud as the lowest criminal threat in its lowest crime category."
Any evidence Obama lied? Oh, Right, an un-named leaker said he said something. Man, if I had a dime for every time Trumptards like you said un-named sources aren't valid...
"I won't stop fighting to open up government."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-obama-adminis
trations-abject-failure-on-transparency/252387/
I actually TRUST The Atlantic, so I'll give you that one. You're 1 for 3.
Your turn.
Jo brought evidence. So far you have just ignored it, or you just made a stupid wisecrack (essentially the same thing).
Let me help you:
2016 presidential campaign[edit]
Further information: Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign
June–December 2015[edit]
June 16: Donald Trump announces his candidacy for president.[150]
June 17: In an interview on the Fox News show Hannity, Sean Hannity asks Trump if he has talked to Putin. Trump replies, "I don't want to say. But I got to meet all of the leaders. I got to meet all—I mean, everybody was there. It was a massive event. And let me tell you, it was tremendous."[151]
Late June: Flynn travels to Egypt and Israel.[147] In September 2017, members of Congress present evidence to Mueller that Flynn's purpose was to promote a Russian-backed plan for the building of 40 nuclear reactors, with "total regional security" to be provided by U.S.-sanctioned Russian weapons exporter Rosoboron.[152][153][154][155]
July: Trump receives an invitation to Moscow for the 60th birthday of Aras Agalarov, who co-hosted the Miss Universe pageant with him in 2013.[156]
July onward: Thousands of fake Twitter accounts run by the IRA begin to praise Trump over his political opponents by a wide margin, according to a later analysis by The Wall Street Journal.[157][158]
July 8–12: Butina and Erickson attend Freedomfest 2015 in Las Vegas.[20]:594–596[159] They are registered to attend private events with Norquist, Dinesh D'Souza. and Peter Thiel.[20]:594
July 9: Butina and Erickson attend a bitcoin panel with former Overstock.com CEO Patrick M. Byrne. They greet Byrne and discuss Overstock.com's work with women in Afghanistan. Afterward, Butina sends Byrne an email drafted by Erickson thanking him for their discussion and inviting him to meet on July 12 to discuss the types of reforms Russia sh
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Troll stomped. ^
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No, it's not a cult...
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I don't care how much bullshit you post CC, it's still bullshit.
Quote:So, Obama changed his mind about closing GITMO.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/obama-failed-close-guantanamo
It became understood fairly soon into the administration that closing Guantanamo meant moving some of the detainees there to the United States, and that really turned the tide. ... there was an understanding, I think, that the original idea was not to bring detainees to the United States.
Quote:Then, apparently Obama gave up on the idea of closing GITMO.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/guantanamo-bay-closi
ng-why-has-obama-failed-a7194241.html But it’s possible he hasn’t given up on the notion just yet.
Which I know because
Quote:and
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-guantanamo_n_2618503 The truth is that nobody is really in a hurry to close Guantanamo. Last month, the Obama administration shuttered the State Department office tasked with planning Guantanamo’s closure.
Quote:and
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/01/obama-closin
g-guantanamo-timeline/318980/ ... the office responsible for closing the prison has itself been closed.
Quote:But even though Obama abandoned the idea of closing GITMO, he talked it up in speeches to the very end, for example 3 years later during his final SOTU.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/us/politics/state-dept-closes-offic
e-working-on-closing-guantanamo-prison.html The New York Times's Charlie Savage reports that Daniel Fried—the State Department's the special envoy for closing the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba—has been reassigned and will not be replaced.
Quote:and
https://time.com/4179278/state-of-the-union-guantanamo-bay-president-o
bama/ In his final State of the Union address to Congress on Tuesday, President Obama renewed his call to close the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba ...
Quote:Yep, right up to his very last SOTU Obama was still promising, but then, he didn't close GITMO. Perhaps that was because "... others have raised concerns that the prisoners would be additional legal rights if transferred to the U.S." DARN THOSE PESKY LEGAL RIGHTS! (Ahem! Wasn't that the whole reason for closing GITMO in the first place - to restore the rule of law and international torture prohibitions to the US's GWOT?)
Last SOTU: January 13, 2016 https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/01/12/remar
ks-president-barack-obama-%E2%80%93-prepared-delivery-state-union-address I will keep working to shut down the prison at Guantanamo. (Applause.) It is expensive, it is unnecessary, and it only serves as a recruitment brochure for our enemies. (Applesauce.) There’s a better way. (Applause.)
That was despite the fact that ...
Quote:... many people were still being held in GITMO not because they were such bad dudes, but for the stupidest of reasons.
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/19/510448989/trump-inherits-guantanamos-re
maining-detainees "Rather than being the worst of the worst, there are some who have the worst luck because they were from Yemen — because they were from a country that they cannot go back to," says Cliff Sloan.
Still, in his last year, years after he closed down the office whose task was to shutter GITMO, after giving his last SOTU where he said he was still trying to close the prison, did he do it by, say, executive order?
Quote:
https://time.com/4179278/state-of-the-union-guantanamo-bay-president-o
bama/ ... and he might use his executive authority to do so if necessary before his term ends.
That would be a 'no'.
The takeaway - Obama was saying he was going to close GITMO 3 years AFTER he dismantled the office tasked with doing that.
Can you say LIE?
Sure you can.
As for your list of so-called Russian "contacts" with Trump, I literally just scrolled to one one at random and it was Buttina, who never contacted Trump in any way. WHAT A CROCK you'v
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Still, in his last year, years after he closed down the office whose task was to shutter GITMO, after giving his last SOTU where he said he was still trying to close the prison, did he do it by, say, executive order?Quote:
https://time.com/4179278/state-of-the-union-guantanamo-bay-president-o
bama/ ... and he might use his executive authority to do so if necessary before his term ends.
That would be a 'no'.
The takeaway - Obama was saying he was going to close GITMO 3 years AFTER he dismantled the office tasked with doing that.
Can you say LIE?
Sure you can.
I didn't lie, fuknut, and neither did Obama. He found out it was harder than he thought - oh no! Executive order?? You mean like Dump? Just another simpleton who thinks you can just sign a document and every road block and problem will magically disappear. How's that wall coming? So, yep, runaway again.
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
As for your list of so-called Russian "contacts" with Trump, I literally just scrolled to one one at random and it was Buttina, who never contacted Trump in any way. WHAT A CROCK you've swallowed, eh? Well, I'm sure you're used to it and no longer even gag.
It's not "contacts" like an address book, you stupid door stop. And this was only part of a larger list of EVIDENCE. And you looked at... one? Hope you didn't hurt your brain. I get it though - There's. Just. So. Much. EVIDENCE!
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Still, in his last year, years after he closed down the office whose task was to shutter GITMO, after giving his last SOTU where he said he was still trying to close the prison, did he do it by, say, executive order?Quote:
https://time.com/4179278/state-of-the-union-guantanamo-bay-president-o
bama/ ... and he might use his executive authority to do so if necessary before his term ends.
That would be a 'no'.
The takeaway - Obama was saying he was going to close GITMO 3 years AFTER he dismantled the office tasked with doing that.
Can you say LIE?
Sure you can.
I didn't lie, fuknut, and neither did Obama. He found out it was harder than he thought - oh no! Executive order?? You mean like Dump? Just another simpleton who thinks you can just sign a document and every road block and problem will magically disappear. How's that wall coming? So, yep, runaway again.Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
As for your list of so-called Russian "contacts" with Trump, I literally just scrolled to one one at random and it was Buttina, who never contacted Trump in any way. WHAT A CROCK you've swallowed, eh? Well, I'm sure you're used to it and no longer even gag.
It's not "contacts" like an address book, you stupid door stop. And this was only part of a larger list of EVIDENCE. And you looked at... one? Hope you didn't hurt your brain. I get it though - There's. Just. So. Much. EVIDENCE!
WHICH SOMEHOW NEVER MADE IT INTO MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION???
BALONEY.
JUST MORE DISHONEST POSTING FROM THE MC OF LIES HIMSELF.
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Quote:And speaking of LITERAL projection ...
Originally posted by reaverfan:
I mean, you LITERALLY had to put words into people's mouths. You're just like WISHY: You see someone that you disagree with and you IMAGINE that they're some horde of soul-ravening zombies who're coming to get you!!
Dood, seriously: Dial down the paranoia. You've pegged the meter.
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As for your list of so-called Russian "contacts" with Trump, I literally just scrolled to [one] one at random and it was Buttina, who never contacted Trump in any way. WHAT A CROCK you've swallowed, eh? Well, I'm sure you're used to it and no longer even gag.
Quote:
It's not "contacts" like an address book, you stupid door stop. And this was only part of a larger list of EVIDENCE. And you looked at... one? Hope you didn't hurt your brain. I get it though - There's. Just. So. Much. EVIDENCE!
Quote:Sigh ... If only Mueller had been smart enough to google Trump Russia contacts wiki ... He could have saved a metric crap-ton of government money and written a report maybe ... what ... 7 pages long, with references and title page? And by lumping all the names of everyone who talked with anyone ever, he would have been sure to not miss any names at all. So even if the list included Robert K. Mueller, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, at least it would have been guaranteed complete.
WHICH SOMEHOW NEVER MADE IT INTO MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION???
BALONEY.
JUST MORE DISHONEST POSTING FROM THE MC OF LIES HIMSELF.
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Mission accomplished.
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lol
None of it matters anymore.
The Establishment wants GWB II in office, the Establishment gets GWB II in office.
Voting doesn't mean anything anymore. They're going to do whatever they want to.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:lol is right, 6ix: Trump is all-in on an 1870s strategy of nullifying entire cities’ worth of Black votes.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
None of it matters anymore.
Voting doesn't mean anything anymore. They're going to do whatever they want to.
The latest developments in the American democratic process are not really democratic, per se:
• The two Republican members of the four-member Wayne County, Michigan vote-canvassing board who initially refused to certify Detroit’s results only to change their minds at the end of an hours-long meeting and vote to certify them … have declared that they have re-changed their minds and don’t think the results should be certified after all. (One of them says Donald Trump spoke to her on the phone after the meeting, though she claims that he did not ask her to disavow her vote for certification.) As far as anyone can tell, however, this “takeback” declaration has no legal power.
• The Republican leaders of the Michigan state house and senate say they have accepted an invitation to meet with Donald Trump at the White House on Friday, where he is expected to persuade them to override Michigan’s election results and send pro-Trump electors to the electoral college on the reasoning that Detroit’s votes are fraudulent.
• Another attorney named Sidney Powell also spoke at the RNC event and claimed—seriously—that Democrats generated fake votes by using a fraud algorithm, which she said was originally developed by the late Venezuelan leftist Hugo Chavez, on voting machines made by a company called Dominion in Colorado. Dominion does not have any connections to Venezuela. Powell, in a statement the Republican Party later highlighted on its Twitter account, said her goal in seeking to overturn election results is to “reclaim the United States of America for the people who vote for freedom.”
There’s historical precedent for what’s happening. There is, namely the “Redemption” period of Southern history, in which terror groups, of which the KKK has what you might call the most prominent legacy brand, set out to undo the results of the Civil War and the 14th and 15th Amendments. They accomplished this by disrupting elections and killing Black citizens in order to suppress their votes and install white governors and legislators, who then passed laws that created spurious legal justifications for the maintenance of whites-only governments and elections. Within a decade or two, this outrageous refusal to follow election rules, the law, or the constitution had produced an entrenched and accepted system of social, political, and legal tyranny.
More at
https://web.archive.org/web/20201120033328/https://slate.com/news-and-
politics/2020/11/donald-trump-election-complaints-bring-back-the-1870s.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:The U.S. Senate has thousands of pages about Russian interfering with U.S. elections. If only Mueller could have waited, he could have let the Senate do the job for him. Read the thousands of pages, 1kiki:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Sigh ... If only Mueller had been smart enough to google Trump Russia contacts wiki ... He could have saved a metric crap-ton of government money and written a report maybe ... what ... 7 pages long, with references and title page? And by lumping all the names of everyone who talked with anyone ever, he would have been sure to not miss any names at all. So even if the list included Robert K. Mueller, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, at least it would have been guaranteed complete.
Mission accomplished.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume
-5-bipartisan-russia-report
A few words from Vol. 5:
I. FINDINGS
The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multifaceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Parts of this effort are outlined in the Committee’s earlier volumes on election security, social media, the Obama Administration’s response to the threat, and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA).
The fifth and final volume focuses on the counterintelligence threat, outlining a wide range of Russian efforts to influence the Trump Campaign and the 2016 election. In this volume the Committee lays out its findings in detail by looking at many aspects of the counterintelligence threat posed by the Russian influence operation. For example, the Committee examined Paul Manafort’s connections to Russian influence actors and the FBI’s treatment of reporting produced by Christopher Steele. While the Committee does not describe the final result as a complete picture, this volume provides the most comprehensive description to date of Russia’s activities and the threat they posed. This volume presents this information in topical sections in order to address coherently and in detail the wide variety of Russian actions. The events explained in these sections in many cases overlap, and references in each section will direct the reader to those overlapping parts of the volume. Immediately below is a summary of key findings from several sections.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Still, in his last year, years after he closed down the office whose task was to shutter GITMO, after giving his last SOTU where he said he was still trying to close the prison, did he do it by, say, executive order?Quote:
https://time.com/4179278/state-of-the-union-guantanamo-bay-president-o
bama/ ... and he might use his executive authority to do so if necessary before his term ends.
That would be a 'no'.
The takeaway - Obama was saying he was going to close GITMO 3 years AFTER he dismantled the office tasked with doing that.
Can you say LIE?
Sure you can.
I didn't lie, fuknut, and neither did Obama. He found out it was harder than he thought - oh no! Executive order?? You mean like Dump? Just another simpleton who thinks you can just sign a document and every road block and problem will magically disappear. How's that wall coming? So, yep, runaway again.Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
As for your list of so-called Russian "contacts" with Trump, I literally just scrolled to one one at random and it was Buttina, who never contacted Trump in any way. WHAT A CROCK you've swallowed, eh? Well, I'm sure you're used to it and no longer even gag.
It's not "contacts" like an address book, you stupid door stop. And this was only part of a larger list of EVIDENCE. And you looked at... one? Hope you didn't hurt your brain. I get it though - There's. Just. So. Much. EVIDENCE!
WHICH SOMEHOW NEVER MADE IT INTO MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION???
BALONEY.
JUST MORE DISHONEST POSTING FROM THE MC OF LIES HIMSELF.
It's not a lie or dishonest no matter how many times you post that. Did you cross check the list with the Mueller Report? No, of course not. Did you magically read the redacted parts of the report? No, of course not. Did you even try and refute any of the near hundreds of connections between Trump and Russia on that list? No, of course not - because you can't. And that's not even the whole list, just from 2015.
But - take your time, have another look. It'd be fun to see how you spin (lie) your way out of some of those, like: "They never met!" How could you or Kiki possibly know that?
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Originally posted by 1KIKI: If only Mueller had been smart enough to google Trump Russia contacts wiki ... He could have saved a metric crap-ton of government money and written a report maybe ... what ... 7 pages long, with references and title page? And by lumping all the names of everyone who talked with anyone ever, he would have been sure to not miss any names at all. So even if the list included Robert K. Mueller, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, at least it would have been guaranteed complete.
Mission accomplished.
How do you know he didn't have the exact same info and list?
But yeah, definitely "mission accomplished."
Just like Jo said:
"I posted it here, the Skeptics Forum, MVS forum, Many timez in Youtube comments, Fasebook many timez. I hav emailed it to my dumass Trump fan frenz. Alwayz with the challenj to disproov just 10.
nothing. crikit chirps. nada. zippo. zero.
Then after a period that I suppoze equalz the limits uv their memory, they woud start up with the 'no collusion' proclimation agen. Over the least few yirz it haz ripend to a full blown dimentia. They scoff at anybody hoo duznt 'know' it wuz a big hoax.
BTW - how you doin' with all the lack of EVIDENCE Trump lawyers show up in court with?
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Ooooooh. Big bad RUSSIA!!!
As you may recall, the one Russian company that Mueller indicted demanded its day in court along with the EVIDENCE against it, and Mueller's prosecutors folded their tents and quietly stole away in the night.
Why?
It's super-easy to throw accusations but accusations don't make a case, EVIDENCE does. So either their "evidence" was non-existent, just a bunch of made-up bullshit like Iraqi9-11/terroristtrainingcamp/yellowcake/wmd baloney (Just, yanno, a reminder that governments DO make up shit whole cloth, and the media runs with it for years on end!) or, on balance, exposing the "threat" from these "Russian operations" was too paltry to risk exposing their source and not a real threat at all.
I'm going with Option #1, but either way, this smells like one big giant disinfo campaign.
I guess it's far easier for the DNC, and far safer for the deep state and anti-populists in general, to blame Big Bad Russia for taking out a few ads and sending out a few tweets than to look into their souls and understand that THEY are the problem that led to Trump's election!
But then, if they recognized that, and they TRULY wanted to solve the problem, they would give up their seats of power and great wealth and go back to being ordinary working people ... and, they couldn't have that, could that could they?
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Quote:Russia isn't particularly bad. It did what it did for perfectly understandable reasons. But what was bad, and got the Mueller investigation rolling in the first place, was Trump firing whats-his-name, the head of the FBI for investigating Russia. Then Trump went really over the top by threatening to fire everybody in the FBI and Mueller. That was crazy. Three years later, the Senate found Russia interfering in the election, as did Mueller, but Trump, who has got to be crazy, keeps saying they found nothing. And Trump is having his revenge on Biden because the Russians were investigated. That is Trump being double or triple crazy:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ooooooh. Big bad RUSSIA!!!
As you may recall, the one Russian company that Mueller indicted demanded its day in court along with the EVIDENCE against it, and Mueller's prosecutors folded their tents and quietly stole away in the night.
Why?
It's super-easy to throw accusations but accusations don't make a case, EVIDENCE does. So either their "evidence" was non-existent, just a bunch of made-up bullshit like Iraqi9-11/terroristtrainingcamp/yellowcake/wmd baloney (Just, yanno, a reminder that governments DO make up shit whole cloth, and the media runs with it for years on end!) or, on balance, exposing the "threat" from these "Russian operations" was too paltry to risk exposing their source and not a real threat at all.
I'm going with Option #1, but either way, this smells like one big giant disinfo campaign.
I guess it's far easier for the DNC, and far safer for the deep state and anti-populists in general, to blame Big Bad Russia for taking out a few ads and sending out a few tweets than to look into their souls and understand that THEY are the problem that led to Trump's election!
But then, if they recognized that, and they TRULY wanted to solve the problem, they would give up their seats of power and great wealth and go back to being ordinary working people ... and, they couldn't have that, could that could they?
Trump told an ally that he knows he lost, but that he is delaying the transition process and is aggressively trying to sow doubt about the election results in order to get back at Democrats for questioning the legitimacy of his own election in 2016, especially with the Russia investigation, a source familiar with the President's thinking told CNN on Thursday.
www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/
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SIGNYM:
Ooooooh. Big bad RUSSIA!!!
As you may recall, the one Russian company that Mueller indicted demanded its day in court along with the EVIDENCE against it, and Mueller's prosecutors folded their tents and quietly stole away in the night.
Why?
It's super-easy to throw accusations but accusations don't make a case, EVIDENCE does. So either their "evidence" was non-existent, just a bunch of made-up bullshit like Iraqi9-11/terroristtrainingcamp/yellowcake/wmd baloney (Just, yanno, a reminder that governments DO make up shit whole cloth, and the media runs with it for years on end!) or, on balance, exposing the "threat" from these "Russian operations" was too paltry to risk exposing their source and not a real threat at all.
I'm going with Option #1, but either way, this smells like one big giant disinfo campaign.
I guess it's far easier for the DNC, and far safer for the deep state and anti-populists in general, to blame Big Bad Russia for taking out a few ads and sending out a few tweets than to look into their souls and understand that THEY are the problem that led to Trump's election!
But then, if they recognized that, and they TRULY wanted to solve the problem, they would give up their seats of power and great wealth and go back to being ordinary working people ... and, they couldn't have that, could that could they?
SECOND Russia isn't particularly bad. It did what it did for perfectly understandable reasons. But what was bad, and got the Mueller investigation rolling in the first place, was Trump firing whats-his-name, the head of the FBI for investigating Russia.
Baloney.
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You sure DID lie, CC, and then lie about lying, and lie about lying about lying!
I can't help it that Obama lied (PROOF posted above!) and you lied about that!
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I hav emailed it (the list) to my dumass Trump fan frenz. Alwayz with the challenj to disproov just 10.
Now according to JO - AND YOU, CC - not just some of the people on the wiki list but ALL of the people on the wiki list played an active role in facilitating Trump colluding with Russia.
DISPROVING 10? Easy peasy. Just off the top I found roughly 50. I even highlighted some of the more easily recognized names. But the most completely laughable inclusion was Richard Nixon - yes - THE Richard Nixon, not some accidental namesake. Nixon, according to you all, came all the way back from death to help Trump collude with Russia. And after that, Barrack Obama. And the most ironic was Robert Mueller. The second most ironic I'd give to Hillary Clinton.
Greg Andres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Andres
Joe Biden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden
John R. Bolton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton
John O. Brennan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O._Brennan
Maria Butina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Butina
James Clapper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clapper
Hillary Clinton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton
Dan Coats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Coats
James B. Comey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Comey
Gregory Craig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Craig
Annie Donaldson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Donaldson
Alexander Downer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Downer
Michael Dreeben https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dreeben
T. S. Ellis III https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Ellis_III
Nigel Farage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage
Dianne Feinstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein
Dabney L. Friedrich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabney_L._Friedrich
John Gleeson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gleeson_(judge)
Andrew D. Goldstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_D._Goldstein
Chuck Grassley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Grassley
Beryl A. Howell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_A._Howell
Boris Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
Richard J. Leon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Leon
Andrew McCabe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_McCabe
Amit Mehta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amit_Mehta
Robert S. Mueller III https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller
Jerrold Nadler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerrold_Nadler
Paul M. Nakasone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_M._Nakasone
Barack Obama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Bruce Ohr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Ohr
Sarah Palin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Edgardo Ramos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgardo_Ramos
Jeannie Rhee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeannie_Rhee
Susan Rice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rice
Rod Rosenstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Rosenstein
Bernie Sanders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
Adam B. Schiff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_B._Schiff
Karen Schreier
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I love it...
Scientologists calling Christians a cult.
That is what you morons sound like right now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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You know how THUGR unconsciously ironically posts that stupid people don't know that they're stupid?
Apparently cultists dont know they're in a cult.
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You know how THUGR unconsciously ironically posts that stupid people don't know that they're stupid?
Apparently cultists dont know they're in a cult.
Thats true.
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Thats true.
That's ironic.
When Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.
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You know what the biggest test for religious belief is? Continuing to 'believe' IN SPITE OF all the facts that show otherwise.
When Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.
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Should Biden Pardon Trump for the same reason Ford Pardoned Nixon?
https://web.archive.org/web/20201129130528/https://www.houstonchronicl
e.com/opinion/outlook/article/Pitts-I-am-not-disappointed-in-Donald-Trump-15753986.php
Gerald Ford was right. It was years before I understood that.
I was 17 years old on the day in 1974 when the 38th president pardoned the 37th, Richard Nixon, for his crimes in the Watergate affair. Like millions of others — like Ford’s own press secretary, who resigned in protest — I was disgusted by this largesse.
It wasn’t until years later that I came to see it as an act of political courage, freeing the country to move on from a sordid affair that had left us mesmerized and paralyzed. As Ford put it, had Nixon gone to trial, “ugly passions would again be aroused, our people would again be polarized in their opinions.”
I’ve also come to believe the sight of a former president, a symbol of the nation after all, in a prison jumpsuit, would have been emotionally corrosive — even for those who think it wouldn’t, even for those who gleefully anticipated it, even for those who loathed him.
You may think all this is offered by way of explaining why I think President-elect Joe Biden should pardon Donald Trump. It’s actually offered to explain why I think he should not. The idea of pardoning Trump — which Biden has already rejected — has been kicking around the pundit sphere quite a bit recently, proposed by everyone from columnists E.J. Montini and David Leibowitz to former Trump aide Anthony Scaramucci and former House Judiciary Committee counsel Michael Conway.
Well, I’m here to join them in kicking the idea around. And down the stairs. And out the front door. And into traffic where, with any luck, an 18-wheeler is barreling down the street. Because 2020 is not 1974. Here are four reasons:
One: The idea that Biden should do this, as Ford did, to heal the country, is ludicrous on its face. There is no healing in this. A pardon would only infuriate the left and cripple Biden’s presidency while emboldening the ever-more lawless right. And not for nothing, but why is it always the left that is called upon to soothe the right’s hurt feelings? Liberals have feelings, too.
Two: Nixon was a Boy Scout next to this guy. He “only” tried to subvert the Constitution. Trump can be credibly accused of that, plus extortion, treason, tax fraud, bank fraud, obstruction of justice, campaign-finance violations and sexual assault. To let him off is to say none of that has meaning.
Three: No one lionized Nixon; no mass movement portrayed him as a hero. Indeed, even Republicans were repelled by his criminality. Trump, by contrast, has ascended to something very like a cult leader among his followers — some orange combination of Jim Jones, David Koresh and Charles Manson — and for that reason if for no other, he needs to be toppled, hard. That’s what you have to do with false idols.
Four: In 1974, no one doubted that the law matters. But in the abiding criminality of the Trump gang, that bedrock principle of American life has been smashed. Prosecuting him — and all of them — would go a long way toward reaffirming not only that law matters, but that none of us is above its reach.
Jerry Ford made a brave call in 1974. But that was 1974. And circumstances, to put it mildly, are different now. They demand that Trump answer for every crime that can be proven against him, down to and including parking tickets.
Will his followers be angry if he is prosecuted? Yes. They’ll also be angry if he’s not. For them, anger is the means, the end and the message. So they don’t need excuses for outrage. Like Trump, they thrive on chaos, upheaval and resentment. Whatever happens, they’re going to howl anyway. Might as well give them something to howl about.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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My God, what a fucking idea. Prosecute criminals for their crimes.
Genius!
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Cult Deprogrammer: Trump Uses Mind Control Tactics on His Followers
Hassan says friends, family best people to break the spell
https://medium.com/datadriveninvestor/cult-deprogrammer-trump-uses-min
d-control-tactics-on-his-followers-561263b9aa9
Otiko: What are the behaviors you’ve seen in Cult 45 that are similar to other cults?
Hassan: Deception, lack of critical information, phobia programming, attacking whistleblowers, for example, “the mainstream media is the enemy of the people.” Using the BITE model (controlling Behavior, Information, Thoughts, and Emotions.)
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President-elect Joe Biden's plea for Americans to wear masks for 100 days was met with anger and defiance from supporters of President Donald Trump, underscoring the challenge of fighting a politicized pandemic in a deeply divided nation.
President Donald Trump, who has often been seen without a face mask, has implied that wearing face masks was unnecessary.
Many examples of the Trump cult's anger and defiance at
https://www.newsweek.com/bidens-mask-plea-stirs-outrage-among-trump-su
pporters-covid-cases-top-14-million-1552283
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Everybody here knows REAVERBOT is a programmed extremist cult member.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Cult Deprogrammer: Trump Uses Mind Control Tactics on His Followers
Hassan says friends, family best people to break the spell
https://medium.com/datadriveninvestor/cult-deprogrammer-trump-uses-min
d-control-tactics-on-his-followers-561263b9aa9
Otiko: What are the behaviors you’ve seen in Cult 45 that are similar to other cults?
Hassan: Deception, lack of critical information, phobia programming, attacking whistleblowers, for example, “the mainstream media is the enemy of the people.” Using the BITE model (controlling Behavior, Information, Thoughts, and Emotions.)
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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Quote:We know Signym as a Russian troll. Signym has lied thousands of times about Russian interference in the 2016 election, but the Senate wrote five volumes about Russian interference. Signym, you proved yourself to be a fucking liar thousands of times on just Russia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Everybody here knows REAVERBOT is a programmed extremist cult member.
Senate Intel Releases Volume 5 of Bipartisan Russia Report - telling Signym to go fuck yourself
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume
-5-bipartisan-russia-report
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:ONCE AGAIN, LITERAL PROJECTION.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
YOU ARE ...LITERALLY ... PUTTING WORDS IN PEOPLE'S MOUTHS, PROVING THAT YOU NOT ONLY DON'T UNDERSTAND ANOTHER POV, NOT ONLY THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND ANOTHER POV, YOU WANT TO DISINFORM YOURSELF AND OTHERS
WAY TO GO, PROPAGANDA-BOT!
Have you thought of being deprogrammed? It might help your mental health.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:ONCE AGAIN, LITERAL PROJECTION.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
YOU ARE ...LITERALLY ... PUTTING WORDS IN PEOPLE'S MOUTHS, PROVING THAT YOU NOT ONLY DON'T UNDERSTAND ANOTHER POV, NOT ONLY THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND ANOTHER POV, YOU WANT TO DISINFORM YOURSELF AND OTHERS
WAY TO GO, PROPAGANDA-BOT!
Trump calls coronavirus Democrats' 'new hoax'
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-
democrats-new-hoax-n1145721
Trump declares national emergency over coronavirus
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51882381
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REAVERBOT: Oh, it's not that you misrepresented what Trump said, it's just that you misrepresent the response.
I support Trump, as do many of my neighbors and friends. But we all mask up.
It IS possible to vote for someone and ignore 85% of what they say.
Well, it's possible for me and my friends and neighbors.
Not for you, apparently. That's because you're a fully-programmed bot that doesn't have the capacity for fluid thinking and nuance. You're rigid and extremist in your approach and you can't seem to understand that there's a real world out there that doesn't fit your ideological mold, and neither do the people in it.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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