Flynn case dropped!!! Democrats revealed as LIARS!!!
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Flynn wasn't mirandized. He wasn't under oath. Nor was he testifying before a grand jury.
Obama flat out lied when he claimed Flynn perjured himself.
Is Obama an utter moron, who doesn't know the law?
Or does he think just him saying that will gaslight useful idiots, like Second, to repeat the lie over and over and over until the gen public believes it?
Probably a bit of both, I'll bet.
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
I've had that conversation with him. He literally believes that if he can find other people who think like him that it must mean HE is correct.
I suppose you fancy yourself some sort of clever person. I truly hope you're not a lawyer, because your debate tactics are laughable High School.
I see the world as I see it. Based on my known experiences. When I post another person's point of view on a matter in which syncs with mine, it's not to validate MY view, but to simply show that others are of like mind and I'm not just creating nonsense out of thin air, or taking a contrarian view w/ out reference or citation. IMO, it helps to see things as OTHERS see them, so you can get a more clear picture of the subject.
Like seeing in 3-D, it can't be done with just one lens, or eye. There's my perspective, and then those who see things from a different vantage point.
I know, I'm talking over your head and making this far too confusing. You're a blind tribalist who refuses to admit they're wrong. Even when it's been shown to you and you know it, your false pride won't allow you to admit you were wrong. So you get even angrier, like a child, and up your vitriol until you're at tantrum mode.
Which doesn't take very long for you to reach.
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Quote:Here is Flynn admitting he is a perjurer : STATEMENT OF THE OFFENSE
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Flynn wasn't mirandized. He wasn't under oath. Nor was he testifying before a grand jury.
Obama flat out lied when he claimed Flynn perjured himself.
Is Obama an utter moron, who doesn't know the law?
Or does he think just him saying that will gaslight useful idiots, like Second, to repeat the lie over and over and over until the gen public believes it?
Probably a bit of both, I'll bet.
www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download
Pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11, the United States of America and the defendant, MICHAEL T. FLYNN, stipulate and agree that the following facts are true and accurate. These facts do not constitute all of the facts known to the parties concerning the charged offense; they are being submitted to demonstrate that sufficient facts exist that the defendant committed the offense to which he is pleading guilty.
1. The defendant, MICHAEL T. FLYNN, who served as a surrogate and national security advisor for the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump (“Campaign”), as a senior member of President-Elect Trump’s Transition Team (“Presidential Transition Team”), and as the National Security Advisor to President Trump, made materially false statements and omissions during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) on January 24, 2017, in Washington, D.C. At the time of the interview, the FBI had an open investigation into the Government of Russia’s (“Russia”) efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, including the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia, and whether there was any coordination between the Campaign and Russia’s efforts.
2. FLYNN’s false statements and omissions impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI’s ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.
More at www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download
AURaptor, Flynn signed the document. He claimed he was lying before, but in 2017 he claimed he was telling the truth, but in 2020 Flynn is claiming that, really, he was lying when signed the document. Flynn lies about lying. He is absolutely nuts.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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To repeat myself because SECOND prefers to ignore the truth.
HEY SECOND, I highlighted the important part for you.
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When you interview a suspect, you (a) let him or her know that they are the subject of the investigation and (b) provide him or her with any memory aids such as transcripts, diaries, notes. emails etc to allow them to refresh their memories.
What is a lie? It is a deliberate and knowing misrepresentation of what the person believes to be the truth. Unless you provide the suspect with a refresher, you can't tell whether they lied or misspoke/forgot.
That is why the FIB notes on the interview are crucial. The FIB prides itself in being human lie detectors. That is one of the skills that they look for, and hone, in their agents. The people who interviewed Flynn wrote AT THE TIME that they didn't believe he was lying. As far as they could tell, he believed he was telling the truth.
Well, maybe Flynn is a stonecold liar. He WAS head of DIA after all, another spook. But the way the FIB conducted this whole investigation (which was clearly set up to entrap Flynn) and withheld exculpatory evidence ... well, we'll never know. If the FIB had done a by-the-book investigation and shown Flynn the transcript he would have been forced to admit "Yep, I said that" and then we would be discussing whether or not that was worthy of prosecution. But IMHO they must have felt that Flynn's conversstion was not much, and in their eagerness to entrap him they bungled the case and they REALLY bungled the prosecution by withholding evidence from the defense.
It was all illegal by the FIB and malicious, politically-motivated prosecution. Very much like Ukrainegate, which the transcript showed was not much either.
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Quote:Flynn’s lies mattered to the judge, who didn’t gloss over their implications during an exchange with the defendant. “Not only did you lie to the FBI, but you lied to senior officials in the Trump transition team and administration,” Sullivan said. “Those lies caused the then vice president-elect, incoming chief of staff, and then press secretary to lie to the American people. Moreover, you lied to the FBI about three different topics, and you made those false statements while you were serving as the national security adviser, the president of the United States’ most senior national security aid. I can’t minimize that.”
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
To repeat myself because SECOND prefers to ignore the truth.
HEY SECOND, I highlighted the important part for you.
“So all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country, while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States,” Judge Sullivan told Flynn. Moments later, he charged: “Arguably, you sold your country out.”
www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/could-a-judge-override-barr-in-the-fly
nn-affair
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:The FBI interviewer didn't think so.
SIGNY: To repeat myself because SECOND prefers to ignore the truth.
HEY SECOND, I highlighted the important part for you.
SECOND: Flynn’s lies mattered to the judge, who didn’t gloss over their implications during an exchange with the defendant. “Not only did you lie to the FBI
Quote:what was that "lie"? On what matter of substance did Flynn mislead anyone? As far as he (Flynn) knew, he was go to go. Nobody told him that he was under investigation. As far as the FBI knew, Flynn was telling the truth. FLYNN apparently thought he was telling the truth.
but you lied to senior officials in the Trump transition team and administration,”
Quote:About what? Was Flynn covering up "collusion" between Trump and Russia? The Mueller report says no. Was Flynn covering up presumed election meddling? Apparently not.
Sullivan said. “Those lies caused the then vice president-elect, incoming chief of staff, and then press secretary to lie to the American people.
Quote:Again, what "lies"?
Moreover, you lied to the FBI about three different topics, and you made those false statements while you were serving as the national security adviser, the president of the United States’ most senior national security aid. I can’t minimize that.”
Quote:Jeezus, can you say "overwrought" much? The guy is blathering without foundation. He sounds a lot like Rachel Madcow.
“So all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country, while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States,” Judge Sullivan told Flynn. Moments later, he charged: “Arguably, you sold your country out.”
All of which shows why Sullivan should recuse himself from the case.
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Quote:Signym, you are insane. Flynn's lies weren’t insubstantial. According to a little-noticed document he signed alongside his plea of guilty a year earlier, the retired lieutenant general lied about discussing the recently imposed U.S. sanctions with the Russian ambassador, whose nation had just interfered with the 2016 election; he lied about whether he had helped grease the wheels against a U.N. Security Council vote on Israeli settlements; and he lied about his status as an unregistered foreign agent of the government of Turkey.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All of which shows why Sullivan should recuse himself from the case.
On pain of perjury, on the day he pleaded guilty, Flynn attested to those lies: “I make this statement knowingly and voluntarily and because I am, in fact, guilty of the crime charged.”
www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/could-a-judge-override-barr-in-the-fly
nn-affair
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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According to evidence, Flynn and Kislyak spoke MANY times about many things. But the case against Flynn rests, apparently, on one phrase consisting of possibly two, three, or four words.
We will apparently never know the larger context of that conversation because the transcript is highly classified. If there is a much larger discussion about sanctions, strategies and reactions then it would be harder to argue that Flynn forgot about it because it would have been logically attached to other phrases and memories. But if it was a one-off comment then it simply may not have "stuck". If Flynn was asked about it in the middle of a bunch of distractor questions, he may simply have misremembered.
https://kyma.com/news/politics/2020/05/14/where-are-the-transcripts-fl
ynn-kislyak-calls-stay-secret-as-requests-for-them-grow/
As usual, SECOND does not look at, or for, evidence. He only sees what he wants to see, and repeats what he wants to hear.
IMHO, what could really have gotten Flynn in trouble was his work for a firm that was being paid by Turkey. He made quite a bit of money on that, as I recall. His contacts with Russia were, by comparison, petty. For example, Halpern claims that on a trip to Moscow Flynn left a formal dinner in a cab with some high mucky-muck Russian official (I forget who but I can look it up). Meanwhile, other Ammericans who also attended said that Flynn left with them, and all photos of the event do not show Halpern in attendance. So apparently the reason why Flynn was being surveilled in the first place was all based on yet another lie.
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Quote:Judge Emmet Sullivan knew all about that and let Flynn plead guilty to a different and minor charge because Flynn cooperated with prosecutors. If Judge Sullivan won't cooperate with Barr refusing to go to trial, maybe Sullivan should be impeached in the Senate, which would be a lovely strategy pleasing to Trump. "Flynn is no criminal. Judge Sullivan is the real criminal. Lock him up!" -- Donald Trump
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As usual, SECOND does not look at, or for, evidence. He only sees what he wants to see, and repeats what he wants to hear.
IMHO, what could really have gotten Flynn in trouble was his work for a firm that was being paid by Turkey. He made quite a bit of money on that, as I recall. His contacts with Russia were, by comparison, petty.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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This is not about "going to trial", this is about sentencing. Judge Emmett Sullivan wants to sentence a man who both prosecutors and defense now say is "not guilty". In doing so, he is far overreaching the powers of his bench by appointing ANOTHER prosecutor. Judges are not defense, nor are they prosecutors. They should sit in the middle and make sure that everything is done according to law, and at this point Emmett Sullivan himself is breaking the law.
If the FIB hadn't made such a hash of the case, and if the prosecutors hadn't withheld key evidence from the defense, we may have been looking at a legitimate case. But as it stands the case was so thoroughly botched it can't be resuscitated, not even by a judge.
I have posted since the beginning that I think Flynn was acting as an unregistered representative of a foreign agent (Turkey). There is a money-trail, and I was disturbed by some of the things he was discussing with Turkey, because he has a huge giant grotch against Iran. But the usual "punishment" is to let the offender register after-the-fact. As far as his discussions with Kislyak, I doubt there is much in there to prosecute. He was not "selling out" America.
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