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Some Covid-19 thoughts
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Monday, June 14, 2021 8:04 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Hawaii - which instituted lockdowns early - is the lowest.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
In other words...
New York among the highest death rates. Texas and Florida not that.
Discuss.
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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.
Shouldn't pick and choose your data
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
You seem to forget that the deaths are fake no matter what state they're from.
I should have put "deaths" in quotes for you.
It's all about narrative.
Hawaii would have LOVED to tow the Democrat line and give a ton of deaths, but they have a low population for starters, so people would have noticed a bunch of fake deaths. (There are more than twice as many people in Chicago than the entire state of Hawaii).
Plus if they lied and made up a bunch of deaths than nobody would visit and their entire economy would die.
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Monday, June 14, 2021 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You got got man.
No. I didnt even no they had the insentiv deal going. I wuz getting sum food at Jewel and asked about their vaks. They sed no appointment needed, so I got it. Then after the 15 minit wait to see if I'd break out in a rash, the farmasist gave me the coupon.
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Monday, June 14, 2021 11:41 AM
Quote:I don't know if I've ever heard you mention the miracle that was Trump's Warp Speed.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, to get back to real issues here
All viruses are different. Some are airborne. Some are bloodborne. Some are water- and/or food-borne. Some persist on surfaces for long periods of time and can be spread by people touching a surface and then rubbing their eyes. Others are extremely fragile, subject to dryness, sunlight, alcohol etc.
Some are wildly effective at infecting people at low levels of innoculum. Others require a massive exposure to infect the next person.
Measles is SO infectious that health authorities try to locate anyone who just walked thru a common area: like an airport terminal or a line at Disneyland, for two hours afterwards
Covid-19 is clearly airborne. it turns out it's somewhere between the flu/regular cold and measles.
I can understand a month long lockdown while gathering information, amassing resources, and deciding what to do.
But something failed in the information-gathering and policy-making stages. It was way too politicized, with Fauci hiding his links to the American-funded gain if function research being conducted at the Wuhan lab, reversing himself on masking (first he said masks don't help) in order to preserve N95s for emergency services, the CDC bobbling their test rollout when labs all over the nation were ready to test by alternate procedures, and the instant dismissal of HCQ, vitaD, and ivermectin as prophylaxis/ early treatment because 1) Trump mentioned it and 2) it didn't put money in the pockets of big pharma.
Also, the CDC was NOT acting as a central repository of information on infections and small trials of various treatments.
Mistakes were made at all levels but I fault the Federal level the most- not Trump- for acting in a hidebound bureaucratic/corrupt manner of keeping secrets, protecting asses, soloing information, not allowing early flexibility in testing/treatment/information-dissemination, protecting the interests of pandemic bondholders and big pharma, and weaponizing the event against Trump/Republicans/ honest voting and in favor of centralized control and Democrats.
Even now, with over a year's worth of data under our belts, do we know how some states achieved such a low death rate? Or what happened in the states with huge death rates?
Any "lessons learned" for the future?
Or will you still be mired in the Punch n Judy show that is the Dem-Republican tribalism?
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Monday, June 14, 2021 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So we have a natural experiment to see how these two approaches fared...
Not a drastic difference, as far as I can tell.
What did those low-death states do, or what factors were at play, that caused them to be so low?
So, is anyone willing to set aside all of the pointless partisan wrangling, look at what really happened, and learn some lessons?
It seemz to me that there are just too many peepl hoo didnt take it seriously in all states. And by the time interstate travel restrictionz were implimented, it wuz too late - there wuz alredy local community spred.
Similar to the gun issue, you cant do it peisemeal. Also similar to the gun issue, compare America to the nationz that did do a competent job. New Zealand iz the standout with a meager 2,600 casez & 26 deths.
It proovz that an IMEDIATE strong & smart reaction works, SLOW, weak, lackadaiziacle & stupid duz not.
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Monday, June 14, 2021 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, to get back to real issues here...
I don't know if I've ever heard you mention the miracle that was Trump's Warp Speed.
I'm gessing that at sum point he wuz made aware uv the huje grift opportunity, plus persuaded that he needed to do sumthing inarguably pozitiv to keep everybody from realizing he wuz activly helping to spred the virus.
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Blithering incompetence does not account for consistently finding and taking specific actions to do exactly what is needed to maximize the damage.
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Monday, June 14, 2021 1:28 PM
Quote:
6IXSTRINGJACK:
In other words...
New York among the highest death rates. Texas and Florida not that.
Discuss.
SIGNY: Hawaii - which instituted lockdowns early - is the lowest.
Shouldn't pick and choose your data
SIX: You seem to forget that the deaths are fake no matter what state they're from.
I should have put "deaths" in quotes for you.
It's all about narrative.
Hawaii would have LOVED to tow the Democrat line and give a ton of deaths, but they have a low population for starters, so people would have noticed a bunch of fake deaths. (There are more than twice as many people in Chicago than the entire state of Hawaii).
Plus if they lied and made up a bunch of deaths than nobody would visit and their entire economy would die.
But then you have another reliably blue state - VERMONT- ALSO one of the lowest. Utah, a red state, also low. Red states with low populations ... Mississipi, Arizona ... that would LOVE to see low numbers ... are in the highest tier.
Jeez, SIX, you're not even trying!
Stop picking your data to fit the narrative, for god's sake. That's SECONDRATE'S specialty.
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Monday, June 14, 2021 1:31 PM
Quote:Seriously?? You're not even worth talking to.
Originally posted by JO753:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, to get back to real issues here...
I don't know if I've ever heard you mention the miracle that was Trump's Warp Speed.
I'm gessing that at sum point he wuz made aware uv the huje grift opportunity, plus persuaded that he needed to do sumthing inarguably pozitiv to keep everybody from realizing he wuz activly helping to spred the virus.Quote:
Blithering incompetence does not account for consistently finding and taking specific actions to do exactly what is needed to maximize the damage.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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Monday, June 14, 2021 6:27 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
6IXSTRINGJACK:
In other words...
New York among the highest death rates. Texas and Florida not that.
Discuss.
SIGNY: Hawaii - which instituted lockdowns early - is the lowest.
Shouldn't pick and choose your data
SIX: You seem to forget that the deaths are fake no matter what state they're from.
I should have put "deaths" in quotes for you.
It's all about narrative.
Hawaii would have LOVED to tow the Democrat line and give a ton of deaths, but they have a low population for starters, so people would have noticed a bunch of fake deaths. (There are more than twice as many people in Chicago than the entire state of Hawaii).
Plus if they lied and made up a bunch of deaths than nobody would visit and their entire economy would die.
But then you have another reliably blue state - VERMONT- ALSO one of the lowest. Utah, a red state, also low. Red states with low populations ... Mississipi, Arizona ... that would LOVE to see low numbers ... are in the highest tier.
Jeez, SIX, you're not even trying!
Stop picking your data to fit the narrative, for god's sake. That's SECONDRATE'S specialty.
That's EXACTLY what you're doing.
Arizona - Check a 2020 election map.
Utah's biggest politician is Trump hating RINO Romney.
Mississippi is a red state that is struggling for money more than most red states. Mississippi is the obesity capitol of the U.S.
Vermont is a blue state that isn't struggling for money like most blue states are. People in Vermont are downright skinny compared to most of the other states in the country.
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Monday, June 14, 2021 6:31 PM
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Originally posted by JO753:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You got got man.
No. I didnt even no they had the insentiv deal going. I wuz getting sum food at Jewel and asked about their vaks. They sed no appointment needed, so I got it. Then after the 15 minit wait to see if I'd break out in a rash, the farmasist gave me the coupon.
When I say you got got, I just mean that you did something for free that they're going to start paying good money for you to do.
In Ohio they started a lottery and there have been at least three $1 Million winners so far.
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Tuesday, June 15, 2021 12:34 AM
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Do not “pursue an investigation into the origin of COVID-19 because it would ‘open a can of worms’ if it continued”. This was the instruction given by the US State Department to its investigators over a year ago, as reported by Vanity Fair in a long piece on Lab Leak. State Department investigators were warned against “digging in sensitive places” and repeatedly advised not to open a “Pandora’s box”.
What were they afraid of? They were afraid that someone might reveal that the deadly virus was cooked up by Chinese cooks under American guidance. The hands were Chinese, but the voice was that of Uncle Sam (Gen 27:22). In plain words, if the Chinese altered (Gain-of-Function’ed) the natural coronavirus, they did so on the orders of their American partners and according to their instructions. It is even more probable that the Chinese contribution was secondary, for they do not possess the know-how necessary to alter a virus. Whether it was an accidental leak of a bioweapon or the intentional deployment of bioterror (as Ron Unz expounded), in either case the US is the leading actor in the story.
President Trump threatened to sue Beijing for ten trillion dollars for the Wuhan lab leak. Good idea! But this princely sum should be charged to Washington (or rather New York with its Wall Street) as well as to Beijing. Actually, we didn’t have to wait until the end of May 2021 for this revelation. The basic facts were covered in the viral videos Plandemic and Plandemic II, released almost a year ago and promptly banned. Here you can watch a condensed (7 minutes), yet very convincing version of these two long videos, published last August. The creators conclude their story with ‘a plague on both your houses’ statement: “The US could say China did it, China could say the US did it. And both were right.”
The video (narrated by Dr David E. Martin and released by London real, the company owned by Brian Rose, a Jewish businessman from San Diego, CA, who is closely connected to the City of London) shows that work on Coronavirus began in 1999; the CDC filed a patent application on SARS-CoV in 2004; it was granted in 2007. They kept tampering with the virus for a few years, trying to make it more infectious and more deadly. After gain-of-function research was forbidden by the US government in 2014, it was promptly offshored to Wuhan lab. The research was quietly continued with US grants coming (partly) from the notorious Dr Fauci via the equally notorious Peter Daszak and his EcoHealth Alliance, the beneficiary of $39 million grant from the Pentagon. The Pentagon is a great humanitarian organization known for its love of mankind, right? If they forwarded so much money to Wuhan, they surely had our good in mind. Probably it was out of sheer modesty that they hid the grants, via a web of multiple transactions, passing money from one NGO to another until reaching its final destination in Wuhan. In 2017, the work on weaponising the virus was resumed in the US, while President Trump stopped the grants to Wuhan.
The united media and social networks unleashed their ferocious fact-checkers against the video and its conclusion that the Chinese did it on US orders. And for a long time the story disappeared. But now that the Lab Leak story has been unbanned (thanks to Nicholas Wade’s impactful story) we can check the fact-checkers and find them sorely missing actual arguments. Their main reasoning, beside labelling different opinions “debunked” or “discredited”, was based on an article in Lancet that was commissioned and produced under the guidance of the very same Peter Daszak who admitted (in 2016) that he commissioned and funded Chinese scientists to create a ‘Killer Coronavirus’. Thus the debunkers were debunked and the discrediters were discredited.
The conclusion that the virus was made by Chinese under US instructions was also reached over a year ago, in April 2020, by Tsarfat, a French-Jewish blogger, who claimed that Ralph S. Baric was the man who weaponised the virus in 2015, “and described without any inhibition how heNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME