Some Covid-19 thoughts

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1KIKI

Monday, July 20, 2020 10:58 AM

What I said was NYC is different from anywhere else in the country. CITY is different from STATE.

I'm not going to respond because you can't make an accurate(honest?) argument.

But I WILL point out that in NYS as of the 17th there were a total of 25,056 deaths, and 6,494 were from nursing homes or assisted living facilities, for a percentage of 26% of all deaths coming from those places.
https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov/views/NYS-COVID19-Tracker/NYSDOHC
OVID-19Tracker-Fatalities
https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/diseases/covid-9/fatalities_nursi
ng_home_acf.pdf

But in Ohio, 70% of all COVID-19 deaths came from nursing homes. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-death
s-ohio-nursing-homes/95-0287fad5-d13c-4730-bc7b-1e2b9c5e73f9

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2020 11:24 AM

You do whatever you want, Keeks.

You're so full of shit it reeks in here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Monday, July 20, 2020 9:53 PM

As Trump Ignores Virus Crisis, Republicans Start to Break Ranks
President Trump continues to press for a quick return to life as usual, but Republicans who fear a rampaging disease and angry voters are increasingly going their own way.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/us/politics/republicans-contradict-
trump-coronavirus.html?referringSource=articleShare

“President Trump’s failure to contain the coronavirus outbreak and his refusal to promote clear public-health guidelines have left many senior Republicans despairing that he will ever play a constructive role in addressing the crisis, with some concluding they must work around Mr. Trump and ignore or even contradict his pronouncements.”

That's the problem. We are so far in right-field that people lose track of the reality of American politics.

The GOP doesn't have any conservatives left. The DNC is the party comprised of conservatives with a few progressives here and there. The GOP is only neo-confederates and regressive facists now.

THG

Monday, July 20, 2020 11:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

But then, it was his own choice to turn himself into a poster who posts literally nothing but personal attacks, trolls, and lies. (see above for an example)

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

THG

Monday, July 20, 2020 11:19 PM

Watch Trump take credit for this and say I told you so.

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

Harvard Doctor Predicts COVID-19 Vaccine By Early 2021

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
32% of 32,570 = 10,423 dead old people from homes in NYS
82% of 3,178 = 2,605 dead old people from homes in Ohio

Looks like 4 times as many dead old people from homes in NYS than in Ohio.

I don't know. It sounds like a pretty stupid thing to even argue about. Dead people are dead people. And there is a whole lot more of them dead in New York.

But as you said, NYS is different than anywhere else in the country.

(Which is an argument I've made in the past that you completely ignored when it didn't suit your own agenda).

There could be 1,000 different explanations for why the spread killed a greater percentage of old folks in homes in Ohio than in NYS.

Maybe one of them is that mostly only old people die of it, and NYS was busy throwing every single cause of death that wasn't Coomph related into the Coomph bucket where Ohio didn't do that and their numbers actually reflect reality.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Thanks to 6ix for posting some numbers in this discussion, which seem to relate to reality.

So, 22,142 non-nursing home dead in NY.
And 573 non-nursing home dead in OH.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
See? You can't sustain a fact-based discussion and you quickly default to trolling and name-calling, right JACKass? And you claim ** I ** start it!

But if you want to continue to claim Cuomo was responsible for a high percent of deaths coming from nursing homes AS YOU'VE BEEN DOING, then you need to explain DeWine's 4X higher death rate failure in his republican paradise.

Or, abandon your argument, change the topic, ignore reality, AND TROLL.

As always.

kiki, did you give your login password to second or thuggery?

Why you would claim that 22,142 dead is far better than 573 dead, let alone 4 times better, is confusing. Perhaps your Libtard Maths abacus has a broken rung or more.

If you want to talk about NYC, please specify your definition. NYC Metropolitan Area, which includes several states? Or NYC proper, just the 5 boroughs?

With population of 8.3 Million for NYC, and 19.8 million for NY, and 11.7 million for OH, your wild claims look downright preposterous.

Can anybody other than kiki explain why NY should be held as a model of positive performance, either the city or state? Compared to OH, which really seems to be closer to the model many should be striving for. Not as good as FL, tho.

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:56 AM

Do you understand ratios at all?

If I have 1 million people and 100 die of a disease, 0.01% have died from that disease.

If I have 100 people and 100 die of a disease, 100% have died from that disease.

Even though 100 people have died in both examples, in the first case the disease seems to affect the population hardly at all. In the second case, the disease exterminated the entire population! I'd say the second case was worse than the first - wouldn't you? Or, if that question is too theoretical for you - would you rather be in a population where hardly anybody dies of a disease, or in a population where everybody dies of a disease?

NYC (City) is a unique COVID-19 example in the US, because of its size, density, and interconnectedness ... as well as the timing of COVID-19, before there was any level of testing, or experience with effective prevention, or experience with effective treatment.

However, because it's hard getting data re NYC compared to NYS (State); because Cuomo is the governor of NYS (State) and not NYC (City); and since I'm comparing NYS (State) (an entire state) to Ohio (an entire state) (ie apples to apples); I used NYS (State) figures.

So overall, due to its unique circumstances, NYS had a lot of deaths compared to other states, mostly driven by NYC numbers. DESPITE all the issues surrounding NYC, and DESPITE the order that SUPPOSEDLY targeted people in nursing homes and care facilities, of all the people who died in NYS, only 26% came from those facilities.

Whereas in Ohio, 70% of deaths came from those facilities.

If one is going to criticize Cuomo for his policies that SUPPOSEDLY put old people in care facilities at SPECIAL risk compared to everyone else in NYS - one should 4X criticize DeWine who did a 4X worse job protecting those people. Because, why were old people at such a tremendous risk in Ohio compared to the overall level of infection and death in the general population?

I hope that clears up your mental confusion which seems considerable!

BTW, I can think of many reasons why old people in Ohio fared so much worse compared to the general population in a republican paradise - and it could be due to pre-existing general lax standards and enforcement* in those types of care facilities. Yanno - trusting business to do what it wants to do, which is making the most money possible, and turning a blind eye to anything else. And already having written off the old and helpless as not being worth any extra co$$t for protection$$.

(ie - personnel standards, training, established procedures their documentation and its availability, level of overall care requirements, staffing levels, infection control, general care procedures, available PPE, outsourcing and availability of critical functions etc)

SECOND

Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:55 AM

“Slow the testing down,” Trump said, and it’s happening.

Trump himself explained the strategy a month ago at his Tulsa rally: When you expand testing, he declared, “you’re going to find more cases, so I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please.’”

A fascinating Times post-mortem on Trump’s failed coronavirus response helps us understand what happened.
www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-response-fail
ure-leadership.html

And I do mean post-mortem: Americans are dying of Covid-19 at a rate eight times that in Canada, 10 times that in Europe.
www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/19/coronavirus-us-failure/

The Times account makes it clear that the Trump team never seriously considered trying to deal with the pandemic’s reality. It also makes it clear, however, that officials convinced themselves back in April that they were getting away with this abdication of responsibility, that the coronavirus was going away.

And by the time they realized that the virus wasn’t playing along with their political games, it was too late to hide the truth.

At this point it’s not even clear what purpose obstructing testing is supposed to serve. The attempt to engineer an economic boom before the election has already failed, as reopened states are reversing course. And Trump has already squandered all credibility on the coronavirus; even if the numbers on reported cases suddenly started to look much better, who besides his hard-core supporters would believe them?

So this doesn’t look like a political strategy as much as an attempt to soothe the boss’s fragile ego. Trump keeps insisting, falsely, that the only reason we’re seeing so many cases is too much testing, so his aides are trying to mollify him by holding testing down.

And if this cripples America’s pandemic response, making a test-trace-isolate strategy impossible, well, actually dealing with the virus was never part of the plan.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 21, 2020 8:08 AM

What reality?

Your lying numbers and fake panic?

Nobody cares.

Go back to whining about his taxes, halfwit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 21, 2020 8:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Do you understand ratios at all?

If I have 1 million people and 100 die of a disease, 0.01% have died from that disease.

If I have 100 people and 100 die of a disease, 100% have died from that disease.

Even though 100 people have died in both examples, in the first case the disease seems to affect the population hardly at all. In the second case, the disease exterminated the entire population! I'd say the second case was worse than the first - wouldn't you? Or, if that question is too theoretical for you - would you rather be in a population where hardly anybody dies of a disease, or in a population where everybody dies of a disease?

NYC (City) is a unique COVID-19 example in the US, because of its size, density, and interconnectedness ... as well as the timing of COVID-19, before there was any level of testing, or experience with effective prevention, or experience with effective treatment.

However, because it's hard getting data re NYC compared to NYS (State); because Cuomo is the governor of NYS (State) and not NYC (City); and since I'm comparing NYS (State) (an entire state) to Ohio (an entire state) (ie apples to apples); I used NYS (State) figures.

So overall, due to its unique circumstances, NYS had a lot of deaths compared to other states, mostly driven by NYC numbers. DESPITE all the issues surrounding NYC, and DESPITE the order that SUPPOSEDLY targeted people in nursing homes and care facilities, of all the people who died in NYS, only 26% came from those facilities.

Whereas in Ohio, 70% of deaths came from those facilities.

If one is going to criticize Cuomo for his policies that SUPPOSEDLY put old people in care facilities at SPECIAL risk compared to everyone else in NYS - one should 4X criticize DeWine who did a 4X worse job protecting those people. Because, why were old people at such a tremendous risk in Ohio compared to the overall level of infection and death in the general population?

I hope that clears up your mental confusion which seems considerable!

BTW, I can think of many reasons why old people in Ohio fared so much worse compared to the general population in a republican paradise - and it could be due to pre-existing general lax standards and enforcement* in those types of care facilities. Yanno - trusting business to do what it wants to do, which is making the most money possible, and turning a blind eye to anything else. And already having written off the old and helpless as not being worth any extra co$$t for protection$$.

(ie - personnel standards, training, established procedures their documentation and its availability, level of overall care requirements, staffing levels, infection control, general care procedures, available PPE, outsourcing and availability of critical functions etc)

His reply to you said that he's not buying your stat bending.

Or whoever you're bending stats for.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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