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Some Say Boxing Is A Sport

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Sunday, October 20, 2019 8:36 PM

I'm not going to get huffy or defensive about being wrong.

The truth is, I don't care. Most people don't, billionaires or not.

Most people don't want to be part of a nanny state culture that coddles them with kid gloves in their padded cells. Especially men.

If you take football and other sports you take issue with away from them, they're just going to find other ways to hurt themselves and each other. This is doubly true for those young enough to still live under that delusion that they're the bright shiny center of the universe and they're invincible.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, October 20, 2019 8:44 PM

Jack - I edited out that part and I apologize for it. It was unnecessarily personal. I also added that if kids (4) want to do that to themselves, or each other, that's on them. But we as a society shouldn't be paying for 100% of them to get provably damaged through official school auspices (5).

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Sunday, October 20, 2019 9:16 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack - I edited out that part and I apologize for it. It was unnecessarily personal. I also added that if kids want to do that to themselves, or each other, that's on them. But we as a society shouldn't be paying for 100% of them to get provably damaged through official school auspices.



No worries. I try to overlook these things since I like you even though we don't agree on things and things can sometimes get heated between us outside of the G&R thread.

I don't know the answer to the question. You're not wrong. I'm not denying the science behind this. But you can't deny the science behind the reasoning that people use when they choose to do these things or the science behind why folks find these things so entertaining either.

I'm sure for the kids, the potential to be famous and have a lot of money is a factor, but I think most of them would do it just because it's fun. Kid's smoke because it's fun. Also, arguably, because they're not supposed to. The same with drugs.

I brought up the billionaires just as an example of why these sports will never go away. It's not just the billionaires making money here. Eliminating football up through high school would negatively impact the lives of so many people all the way down to the hot dog and beer vendors. Nobody is going to choose watching chess as a sport as an alternative to football or boxing who isn't already doing so.

As for why people are so entertained by these things, I couldn't personally say. They've never held any draw to me, and when I see friends and peers talk non stop about football or join their fantasy leagues I think of them as being like little kids that never grew up and are living their lives vicariously through others that won the genetic lottery and can do things that most of us would never be capable of. If you eliminate these sports, you also eliminate the catalyst of whatever chemical neuron-firing reward mechanism millions of people enjoy while rooting for their favorite teams or players.


At the end of the day, I take a pretty nihilistic approach to this, as I do with most things. Sure... they're kids. But so what? Most adults suck. Kids are just future adults that are most likely going to suck. Maybe if I had a kid of my own I'd be put in the hypocritical spot of caring about an individual more than I do the collective, but I don't. Like I said, I think steroids should not only be legal in professional sports, but they should (and would) be mandatory (since nobody could even compete without them if they were legal).



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Monday, October 21, 2019 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Who are you or anybody else to decide that for them?"

I think any sport that routinely results in brain damage should be banned in elementary, middle, and high schools. After that, whatever people chose to do is fine with me.

But it seems crazy to me that people are being permanently brain damaged just so some Joe Sixpack can get his steam up on a sunday with his beer and chips and buds, and turn off the tv and forget about it till the next game. Sheesh. Talk about life being cheap. We might as well have a sport where people play Russian Roulette.

I can see that argument, but the truth is that we have those sports and kids still do their own back yard wrestling. We banned cigarettes for minors and weed was illegal everywhere, yet kids have always smoked both and they're doing meth all over the country.

Kids are going to find plenty of ways to handicap or kill themselves. Intentional or not. With the potential of actually making a life or getting a free ride to college or not. Whether we like it or not.

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I don't know if you are just reaching, or if you are lost on some tangent.

Can you provide links to your meth sporting leagues, or Meth championships, or Meth wagering pools?
How is Meth scored? If you live, you win?

Can you provide links to your Cocaine sporting leagues, or Cocaine championships, or Cocaine betting pools? How to score - if you live that round, you win that round? Or is it the total number of hits before you die or become paralyzed?

How does that work?
How does that compare to Professional Sporting Events?


In several cultures, sports are fashioned after the simulation of the Warrior Ethic. War combatants, or Professional Warriors, are held to high esteem by those who appreciate Freedom and Liberty.
How much damage or injury a warrior can withstand and still remain effective in Combat Theater is a real equation, resulting in success or death not only for the individual warrior, but for the entire Unit, Army, Nation. Many of these sports are testing the durability of head beatings which compromise the ability to think clearly, which is still needed to accomplish Victory.

Here I'll post a quote that I provided in another thread:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've never been up in the air in a hot air balloon. I know absolutely nothing about it.

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Generally speaking, potential Pilots are assessed regarding their flying aptitude.
Not so hot, you get helicopters. Rotary wing.
Better, you get cargo planes, like C-130, C-5, etc. Fixed wings.
Better, you get assigned to Bombers. Fixed wings, but more finesse than cargo.
The best, you get assigned Fighter Jets to Pilot. Categorized as Fixed wing, but can be Delta wing (extended for subsonic flight and landing, tucked in for supersonic flight in Interceptor mode).

Fighter Jets do mid-air combat against other aircraft, dogfights. If Bombers or Cargo birds have air-to-air weaponry, it is really only defensive.
In Top Gun, it was all about Dog-Fighting. In the F-14 Tomcat Delta wing fighter.

In Dog-Fighting, it is all about the superior performance of the bird and Pilot. The Pilot who can pull tighter Gs in a turn can prevent the enemy behind from achieving Missile-Lock on him, and also can achieve Missile-Lock on the enemy when pursuing. The Pilot with the better performance is usually the winner and lives for another fight. The second-best performance of the 2 combatants will lose, ending their flight, usually their plane, and often their life.

So the ability to pull Gs is critical. Pulling Gs drains blood from your head, making thought more difficult, but also taking away your vision. Fighter pilots maintain fitness regiments to keep their cardiovascular system adequately supporting their mission, to achieve higher Gs. Most Fighter birds in th

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Monday, October 21, 2019 1:31 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't know the answer to the question. You're not wrong. I'm not denying the science behind this. But ...

As I was taught in English class, of all places ... 'yes but' is the same as 'no'.
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you can't deny the science behind the reasoning that people use when they choose to do these things
What science is that?
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or the science behind why folks find these things so entertaining either.
What science is that?
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I'm sure for the kids, the potential to be famous and have a lot of money is a factor, but I think most of them would do it just because it's fun. Kid's smoke because it's fun. Also, arguably, because they're not supposed to. The same with drugs.
But we're not talking about things kids choose to do on their own because it's fun. We're talking about brain damaging things ADULTS want kids (6) to do, things ADULTS pay for kids (7) to do, for their own ADULT entertainment and their own ADULT business reasons. As you state below:
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I brought up the billionaires just as an example of why these sports will never go away. It's not just the billionaires making money here. Eliminating football up through high school would negatively impact the lives of so many people all the way down to the hot dog and beer vendors.

... why people are so entertained by these things, I couldn't personally say. ... If you eliminate these sports, you also eliminate the catalyst of whatever chemical neuron-firing reward mechanism millions of people enjoy while rooting for their favorite teams or players.

As you seem to understand we come to every topic with our own lifetime of history.
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At the end of the day, I take a pretty nihilistic approach to this, as I do with most things. Sure... they're kids. But so what? Most adults suck. Kids are just future adults that are most likely going to suck. Maybe if I had a kid of my own I'd be put in the hypocritical spot of caring about an individual more than I do the collective, but I don't.
My experience is having really, really bad ADHD and all the crap that comes with it. So when I look at children, I understand that IF they COULD do better, they WOULD do better. Because there's no percentage in constantly being castigated, isolated, and punished (even beaten) for failure to conform. I feel I understand that it's also inherently difficult, stressful, and lonely when your brain just doesn't work well, because even basic functions like sensory processing can be taxing and deficient. I don't wish that on any child.

Maybe your lifetime history doesn't include that concept. Perhaps you wrote off your brother's issues early on and just never revised your response to that. And so you write brain damage off easily in others, like it's no big deal. (Even though you complain that schools don't teach kids about money, a far less severe shortcoming, imo.)

But causing lifelong brain damage in kids (8) for adult amusement and adult profit to me is an unacceptable cost to those children (9), for completely mercenary adult reasons.


As for adults, most here in the US are pretty banged-up emotionally and intellectually, if not also physically by the time they grow up. If you were to meet the adults (and perhaps even children) of other countries that do a better job caring for their people instead of using them up for profit then tossing them on the garbage heap, you might revise your opinions on them as well.

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Monday, October 21, 2019 5:22 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't know the answer to the question. You're not wrong. I'm not denying the science behind this. But ...

As I was taught in English class, of all places ... 'yes but' is the same as 'no'.
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you can't deny the science behind the reasoning that people use when they choose to do these things
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What science is that?



I don't know what the name of it is, but there is science behind it.

You seem to come at this issue from a very biased place, considering it all to be in the name of selfish adults and God Money. I illustrated the "science" behind it in the rest of my post.

Kids (and some adults) enjoy playing sports. Even the ones that can cause brain damage. Why?

Kids and adults enjoy watching sports. The more dangerous ones arguably being more popular than the less dangerous ones. Why?

Like pretty much anything else, there is a science behind it.

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or the science behind why folks find these things so entertaining either.
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What science is that?


See my response above. Also see the previous post where I mention whatever reward giving, neuron firing pleasure mechanisms that come with rooting for your favorite team or athlete while watching your favorite sport.

I already mentioned that sports in general do nothing for me. But I'm not going to just discount the fact that I'm in the minority on this issue. (A use of "but" that doesn't mean no).

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I'm sure for the kids, the potential to be famous and have a lot of money is a factor, but I think most of them would do it just because it's fun. Kid's smoke because it's fun. Also, arguably, because they're not supposed to. The same with drugs.
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But we're not talking about things kids choose to do on their own because it's fun.


We aren't? Says who?

I lived a very sheltered life as a kid. I was a loner as well. Wrestling was a solo sport that I excelled in. After high school, I didn't have that anymore. In my early twenties, my friend started learning how to box and I started going as well. But it had been a few years since I really worked out a lot and I had zero skill at it because I was already far too old to be learning it from scratch. It wasn't fun for me because getting your ass beat down on the regular is not my particular idea of fun. I'm sure those 20 somethings that learned how to do it when they were kids had a lot of fun pounding my face in.

You're not the arbiter of what is and what is not fun. Fun is a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

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We're talking about brain damaging things ADULTS want kids to do, things ADULTS pay for kids to do, for their own ADULT entertainment and their own ADULT business reasons.


I've already argued this above, but it's worth stating again that while this may be the case some times, I knew plenty of kids who loved playing football when I was a kid, and I can say the same for some kids I know today. I also know kids who did back then and did today, even though both of their parents were against it from the start.

I'm sure there are kids who are forced to play by overbearing parents, but most kids just play because they enjoy playing.

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As you state below:
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I brought up the billionaires just as an example of why these sports will never go away. It's not just the billionaires making money here. Eliminating football up through high school would negatively impact the lives of so many people all the way down to the hot dog and beer vendors.

... why people are so entertained by these things, I couldn't personally say. ... If you eliminate these sports, you also eliminate the catalyst of whatever chemical neuron-firing reward mechanism millions of people enjoy while rooting for their favorite teams or players.

As

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Monday, October 21, 2019 5:29 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Can you provide links to your meth sporting leagues, or Meth championships, or Meth wagering pools?
How is Meth scored? If you live, you win?

Can you provide links to your Cocaine sporting leagues, or Cocaine championships, or Cocaine betting pools? How to score - if you live that round, you win that round? Or is it the total number of hits before you die or become paralyzed?

How does that work?
How does that compare to Professional Sporting Events?



Context. Read ALL that I have said again and it should clear it up for you.

If you want to have an adult conversation after you have, then feel free to respond. Even Kiki didn't argue this point with me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 21, 2019 1:53 PM

Rather than go through your post bit by it. I'll break it up into topics.

The ones addressed to me that are incorrect:


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You seem to come at this issue from a very biased place

I come from a very fact-based place that uniformly finds BRAIN DAMAGE in children (10) who box, play contact football, and head soccer balls for a little as 1 semester.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Most of us don't get the privileges of the academic good life that you had growing up.

Then you haven't been reading my posts. I came from an academically deeply inferior RC grade school taught by ignorant nuns, grades 1-8.
One year of public junior high and 3 of public high school were definitely not inner-city awful, instead they were poorly-funded mediocre public suburban/rural where one year I biked to school 6 miles rt because there was no money for busses, and neither school even had advanced placement classes, or planned to have them. DIDN'T YOU GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOL? What a luxury that would have been to me!
I WORKED MY WAY THROUGH ALL BUT ONE YEAR OF COLLEGE, usually two or three part time minimum wage (or less - waitressing) jobs per semester totaling more than 40 hours a week, while going to school full time - with no parental support, no car, no furniture, no nothing to call my own (except whatever clothes I could fit in a paper shopping bag, and a few dollars), after I got kicked out of the house for something that I didn't do. And with the stress of an alcoholic mother calling up smashed every day to threaten suicide in long drunken 'conversations', saying she'd die unless I came back home and made everything 'the way it used to be'.
For MOST of my classes, after tuition, rent and food, I was too poor to afford books. So when I could - between classes and work of course - I went to the library and used their books.
I was even semi-homeless for a while, living for over a month in a university lab, and other times sleeping in friends' living rooms, because I didn't have anywhere else.
And after 6 years, I got two degrees I sacrificed having any kind of life to get.

How you can claim I'm 'privileged' is beyond me.

So now let me pointedly tell you that you need to get that chip off your shoulder about not going to college, and thinking everyone who did go MUST HAVE had more 'privilege' than you.




Now, on to the rest of your post:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A use of "but" that doesn't mean no

Dood, "but" means "but". "YES but" means "no". Just fyi
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't know what the name of it is, but there is science behind it.
I illustrated the "science" behind it in the rest of my post.
Like pretty much anything else, there is a science behind it.
or the science behind why folks find these things so entertaining either.
Also see the previous post where I mention whatever reward* giving, neuron* firing* pleasure mechanisms that come with rooting for your favorite team or athlete while watching your favorite sport.

I looked through your posts and didn't find one bit of science. I DID find three buzzwords randomly thrown around, but it doesn't look like science to me.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Kid's smoke because it's fun. Also, arguably, because they're not supposed to. The same with drugs.
You're not the arbiter of what is and what is not fun. Fun is a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
most kids just play because they enjoy playing.
I think most of them would do it just because it's fun.
Kids (and some adults) enjoy playing sports. Even the ones that can cause brain damage. Why?
Kids and adults enjoy watching sports. The more dan

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Monday, October 21, 2019 6:41 PM

Yanno what, Kiki.

Because you're as closed minded on this topic as some people here on everything-Trump, we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.

At the end of the day, none of these sports are going anywhere.



Tough titty for the kids.

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Monday, October 21, 2019 6:45 PM

Yanno what though. Good luck to you in tearing the system down. I hope you succeed. Because I don't give a shit about these sports at all.

Maybe then, we'll find out about that "science" you claim I'm making up that you didn't bother looking into. Yanno, when millions of people don't get that daily or weekly hit from their football games and various other sports, maybe we'll just see more aggressive behavior in the streets to burn off all that extra energy instead.

Until then, keep on living with the blinders on, and worrying about the stupid kids.

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