Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says
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Oh, you guys are going to feel stupid. Didn't you learn from Russiagate? It's just dems trying drum up drama, the breathlessness about this is pure Rachel-Maddow-style.
Jeez, relax, willya?
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
They wouldn't get a red flag if someone beat them in the head with it.
The bare facts are:
$391 million in aid to Ukraine was withheld.
Ukraine called and Trump "just happens" to mention investigating his rival's son.
The money is then released to Ukraine.
lol
Apparently you haven't seen this video footage, or you'd know how hypocritical you sound right now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I don't know much about Biden or his son or their activities, and if he wasn't running for Prez I wouldn't want to. Like I said, the guy creeps me out.
However, it appears that he was JUST bragging. And he was bragging about having someone who was HINDERING an anti-corruption probe removed. They WANTED the investigation and Shokin was trying to STOP IT.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881505/donald-trum
p-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower
At the time, Hunter Biden was on the board of a company, Burisma, whose owner was under investigation for corruption and money laundering. Shokin was believed to be hindering that investigation and anti-corruption investigation in Ukraine more broadly. This was frustrating the Ukrainian executive branch, the US, international finance officials, and some NATO allies — all of which had stakes in a corruption-free Ukraine, given the civil and military aid some were funneling to the country to help it fend off Russian aggression.
So in 2016, Biden told the Ukrainian government that their loan guarantees would be cut off unless they removed Shokin. He told the story at a session at the Council on Foreign Relations in 2018.
“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours,” Biden said. “I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’”
The former vice president said after the threat, “Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”
But though Biden may have taken credit for it, this was hardly his unique idea. “Everyone in the Western community wanted Shokin sacked,” Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal. “The whole G7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesman for this was Joe Biden.”
So despite his boast last year, Biden seem to have played a very minor role in Shokin’s firing. Within the Obama administration, the idea to remove him came from the US’s embassy in Ukraine, and the sentiment the prosecutor was hindering anti-corruption efforts was shared by the US’s partners and Ukrainian citizens.
Nevertheless, Trump maintains Biden personally had Shokin fired in order to protect Hunter from criminal liability. This does not make a lot of sense considering the removal of Shokin had the potential to hurt Hunter, given the US hoped to replace the prosecutor with someone more fully committed to pursuing an anti-corruption agenda.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881505/donald-trum
p-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower
Apparently, we might hear more in the morning...
The whistleblower who accused Trump of trying to coerce the Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden also raised concerns over the how the White House handled records of the conversation, sources say. The anonymous intelligence officer filed the complaint with the intelligence community inspector last month, claiming that Trump threatened to withhold US military aid unless Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky (top left with Trump)agreed to dig up damaging material about ties Biden and his son Hunter (right) had to the country.
If true, it's a felony. And since we already had this discussion after Hillary and Russia, he KNOWINGLY committed a felony this time.
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More anon.
Why always anon?
Aren't there people left and right that have been quitting under the Trump administration? None of them can be bothered to go on the damned record about anything since they're quitting anyways?
P.S. Vox is not a legitimate news source.
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http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63297
In March/April 2014 the British freeze Zlochevsky's (Burisma's owner) accounts and launch an anti-corruption investigation.
During the British investigation, nothing (apparently) happens on the Ukraine side between and March/April 2014 and February 2015 (approximately 12 months), at which point Shokin becomes Ukraine's attorney general.
Some time between February 2015 and March/April 2015 (days minimum to 3 months maximum under Shokin's direction) Britain drops its case.
In March 2016, one year after Britain has already dropped its case, Biden tells Ukraine to get rid of Shokin due to non-performance on the Zlochevsky (Burisma) case.
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P.S. Vox is not a legitimate news source.
Lol. I'd like to see you try and be a journalist. Every single damn article would be a laughingstock.
PS. The article lists this guy as a source of the info.
"Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal."
Vox gets their info the same way everyone else does. They are right more often than Faux News. All Faux News can do these days is fight with its own people.
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So, if I understand KIKI's article correctly, the reason why the Obama administration wanted to fire Ukraine's Chief Prosecutor (Shokin) wasn't because he was investigating Burisma *nat gas company, but because he WASN'T, and they were ready to withold loan gurantees over it.
How does this track? The owner of Burisma (Zlochevskiy) was reputed to be an ally of deposed (democratically-elected) Yanukovich, who was reputed to be a friend of Putin. Well, any friend of Putin's, no matter how distant, would be targeted for invesigation by Obama.
So Shokin was supposedly fired because he wasn't diligent enough in pursuing Burisma corruption? What about the Chief Prosecutor afterwards. Did HE do a better job?
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Kaleniuk and AntAC published a detailed timeline of events surrounding the Burisma case, an outline of evidence suggesting that three consecutive chief prosecutors of Ukraine -- first Shokin’s predecessor, then Shokin, and then his successor -- worked to bury it.
https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-sh
okin/30181445.html Clearly there was more at stake than Burisma.
I have more info but busy will post later.
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"the reason why the Obama administration wanted to fire Ukraine's Chief Prosecutor (Shokin) wasn't because he was investigating Burisma *nat gas company, but because he WASN'T, and they were ready to withold loan gurantees over it."
The stated reason - Shokin's lack of cooperation with Britain in its Bursima investigation - doesn't add up in the timeline. Shokin was Ukraine's chief prosecutor for AT MOST 3 months before Britain dropped its case, and probably only a few weeks. Before Shokin, the Ukraine efforts to help Britain look to have been zero for roughly a year. And after Britain dropped its case, there may or may not have been any INTERNAL reason for Ukraine to pursue Burisma.
So, Ukraine's top prosecutor before Shokin does absolutely zero to help the British investigation for about a year. Shokin had a few weeks as top prosecutor in which to help Britain, before Britain drops its own investigation due to lack of evidence. After the British case against Burisma goes defunct, Shokin continues to remain in office for somewhat less than a year, before he's ousted for failing to cooperate sufficiently with the British investigation and causing it to fail - an investigation that had already been defunct for over a year.
So why did they punish Shokin for his failure to do in a few weeks what hadn't been done in a year? And why did they 'let' him remain in office for so long after his (apparently) deeply culpable failure? (And sheesh - talk about the US using the power of the purse to interfere in another country's internal affairs!!)
The stated reasons for getting rid of Shokin just don't add up against the timeline. That leads me to suspect the stated reason. I have no alternative theory as to why Shokin was punished supposedly for non-performance specifically re the British Burisma investigation, but the CP before him wasn't. And if it was for general non-performance, I have no idea why Shokin was punished but his successor wasn't.
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I see our commie trolls are still aggerating what's true into what's not. It's to be expected.
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Originally posted by THG: I see our commie trolls are still aggerating what's true into what's not. It's to be expected.
"aggerating"? Yanno, it's one thing to use a word that's close to the word you mean (emulate instead of immolate) it's another thing to use a word that's totally nonsensical/uninterpretable
The Magic Eight ball says ... TRY AGAIN
This time, with a real English word
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