Dems, Dem-lites and Independents, who ya backing at this point and why?

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SIGNYM

Monday, April 22, 2019 2:24 AM

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My point was, the only other choice we had was Clinton. Her actions, such as scrubbing the server she should have had in her home clean, and having everybody involved with her smashing up her cell phones are well known and were never disputed.

So when we're talking about any similar activities that Trump may or may not have done now, we already knew that our only other choice had done all of that before the election even took place.

The clock is ticking, but it's not the tick tock to impeachment. You know that full well.

There isn't a lot of time left before the next election goes full swing, and the Democrats don't have any clear message for the people or a legitimate candidate that would have a chance against Trump. Even lefty sources have come out recently and said that all things considered and assuming nothing changes, Trump would have an advantage.

The only chance of getting Trump out of office is the election in 2020, or waiting until he serves his second term, or waiting until his health fails him. (Without going into your ultra-dark territory on that... I know that you know what I mean).

I'm just waiting for the Democrats to drop the identity politics bullshit and come up with a way of truly fixing the economy and job situation as a contrast to what we have now. We've been hearing for two years that it's getting better, but the situation has not improved at all for the working class and continues to degrade.

Is any Democrat talking about that though? Nope.

It's still "Nazi" this, and muh Feminism that, and RUSSIA!!!! fearmongering and demands for tax returns that you're never going to see.

The Democratic party in 2019 is abhorrent.

Fix that, and Trump might be out. - SIX

I thought I would bring SIX's post from there http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63045&p=2 here because it's more relevant to this discussion.

I think we got some positive things from the Trump administration, including bailing out of "free trade" agreements which give up our sovereignty and making an issue of illegal immigration. He has also exposed (for those who wish to see) the existence of the deep state.

Any candidate who doesn't backtrack on those important issues would be acceptable to me.

OTOH, Trump's foreign, fiscal, and economic policies are a mess:

His unwavering support for Israel, his "interventionist" views of the globe, his embrace of the CIA, his budget deficit which includes pouring money into the Pentagon, and his reliance on low-low interest rates and nosebleed stock prices is taking us in the wrong direction.

I would never vote for Sanders because he caved and supported Hillary. Any person who would lick the DNC's ass after having been politically crucified by them is spineless. After all, if Bernie bailed on his own agenda after he lost, when there was NOTHING at stake,

how would he stand up for his agenda when he's under extreme pressure as President?

(In contrast to Tulsi, who quit her vice-chair position over how Bernie was being treated; she stood up for Bernie more than Bernie stood up for Bernie.)

Where is that candidate with a message for the people and the spine to carry it through?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

RUE

Monday, April 22, 2019 3:02 AM

More than anything, Trump brought the plight of the 'basket of deplorables' in 'flyover' country - also called people, who live in states with electoral votes - front and center.

In any case, let me bring this over as well:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62952

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
As the seas rise, Republicans will deserve all the blame their grandchildren assign them
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/as-the-seas-rise-republicans-w
ill-deserve-all-the-blame-their-grandchildren-assign-them/2019/04/12/de26f7ec-5c88-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.f1d0f733aaa3

Show me a democrat in the current presidential field with climate change front and center. Show me Pelosi, Speaker of the House, crafting the needed climate change policies. Show me Schumer, Senate Minority Leader, stumping for a climate change focus.

What?? WHAT??? Do I hear anything over the democrats' din of TRUMP!TRUMP!TRUMP! ?

... ... ...

... ... ... ... ... ...

nope

As I mentioned elsewhere, there are 2 things on my priority list
1 avoiding nuclear war
2 global climate change

And unless democrats at all levels make these a concern, I will not be voting 'democrat' again. Why the fuck do I want to vote for a bunch of useless, self-serving hypocrites?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 28, 2019 6:38 AM

Biden throws his hat into the ring and raises more money than all other Democratic contenders in a single day.

How do you Lefties view your chances in 2020 right now?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, April 28, 2019 7:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
More than anything, Trump brought the plight of the 'basket of deplorables' in 'flyover' country - also called people, who live in states with electoral votes - front and center.

In any case, let me bring this over as well:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62952

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
As the seas rise, Republicans will deserve all the blame their grandchildren assign them
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/as-the-seas-rise-republicans-w
ill-deserve-all-the-blame-their-grandchildren-assign-them/2019/04/12/de26f7ec-5c88-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.f1d0f733aaa3

Show me a democrat in the current presidential field with climate change front and center. Show me Pelosi, Speaker of the House, crafting the needed climate change policies. Show me Schumer, Senate Minority Leader, stumping for a climate change focus.

What?? WHAT??? Do I hear anything over the democrats' din of TRUMP!TRUMP!TRUMP! ?

... ... ...

... ... ... ... ... ...

nope

As I mentioned elsewhere, there are 2 things on my priority list
1 avoiding nuclear war
2 global climate change

And unless democrats at all levels make these a concern, I will not be voting 'democrat' again. Why the fuck do I want to vote for a bunch of useless, self-serving hypocrites?

Because that's what Liberals have been doing for decades.

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, April 30, 2019 12:23 PM

Here's the thing Wish. Would love to discuss but, I get the feeling that we are not alone...ya' know!

Don't want to give them a target. Ya know what I'm talking about.

But I like: Mayor Pete, Gillebrand, Bernie, Harris, Warren. Booker is okay too!
Oh, and another I like is Castro.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Seriously, no one has anyone they like? I get there's a lot of choices out there...

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:02 PM

Hate to break it to you buddy, but Biden already is the DNC pick. So you've got Biden.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here's the thing Wish. Would love to discuss but, I get the feeling that we are not alone...ya' know!

Don't want to give them a target. Ya know what I'm talking about.

But I like: Mayor Pete, Gillebrand, Bernie, Harris, Warren. Booker is okay too!
Oh, and another I like is Castro.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Seriously, no one has anyone they like? I get there's a lot of choices out there...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, April 30, 2019 6:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hate to break it to you buddy, but Biden already is the DNC pick. So you've got Biden.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here's the thing Wish. Would love to discuss but, I get the feeling that we are not alone...ya' know!

Don't want to give them a target. Ya know what I'm talking about.

But I like: Mayor Pete, Gillebrand, Bernie, Harris, Warren. Booker is okay too!
Oh, and another I like is Castro.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Seriously, no one has anyone they like? I get there's a lot of choices out there...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

So, what? Will he be the Fondler-in-Chief? The Groper-in-Chief?

Biden vs. Trump? Will that be Grab Em By the Pussy vs. Grab Em By the Boobs?

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, May 7, 2019 11:58 AM

Biden!? Really!? I didn't get the memo.

Oh, by the way.....your bias is showing.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hate to break it to you buddy, but Biden already is the DNC pick. So you've got Biden.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here's the thing Wish. Would love to discuss but, I get the feeling that we are not alone...ya' know!

Don't want to give them a target. Ya know what I'm talking about.

But I like: Mayor Pete, Gillebrand, Bernie, Harris, Warren. Booker is okay too!
Oh, and another I like is Castro.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Seriously, no one has anyone they like? I get there's a lot of choices out there...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, May 7, 2019 2:44 PM

What bias is that?

I'm just saying that the DNC gets what the DNC wants.

At least, that is, until the General election.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, May 7, 2019 6:40 PM

Looks like the Dems have lost their old Libertarian values

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