Dems, Dem-lites and Independents, who ya backing at this point and why?
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So, to get back to 'how much money could we save by reducing the military budget' I assumed the lowest the US would want to go is the 2% GDP minimum NATO obligation.
I thought this was a good graphic to show, more or less, how far off the various NATO members are, including us.
Wiki says that the US spent about 3.1% of its GDP on the military in 2017. I'm not sure I buy that - I think we're still paying off the bills for Iraq and Afghanistan, which were funded as emergency spending measures and kept out of the formal military budget. But that's a topic for another day and deeper digging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditur
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If we can save a maximum of 1.1% (2017 3.1% spent - 2.0% NATO minimum) and the 2017 GDP was $21,443B (by reverse calculation)(World Bank 2017 figure is $19,390B https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)) then we can save about $236B annually on military spending.
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Originally posted by rue:
So, to get back to 'how much money could we save by reducing the military budget' I assumed the lowest the US would want to go is the 2% GDP minimum NATO obligation.
I thought this was a good graphic to show, more or less, how far off the various NATO members are, including us.
Quote:Is Germany's 1% satisfying the NATO obligation?
Wiki says that the US spent about 3.1% of its GDP on the military in 2017. I'm not sure I buy that - I think we're still paying off the bills for Iraq and Afghanistan, which were funded as emergency spending measures and kept out of the formal military budget. But that's a topic for another day and deeper digging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditur
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If we can save a maximum of 1.1% (2017 3.1% spent - 2.0% NATO minimum) and the 2017 GDP was $21,443B (by reverse calculation)(World Bank 2017 figure is $19,390B https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)) then we can save about $236B annually on military spending.
Otherwise we could shave another $200B.
When discussing Military Spending, perhaps also consider the balance or trade-off with Foreign Aid or others funds considered "don't fight us" bribes.
Or do you just prefer to harangue Service members and encourage DC Suits to keep getting us into nonstop series of Wars, repeatedly?
What about CIA, or paramilitary contractors. Not sure if those are included in the Defense Budget.
That graphic implies Germany GDP is $4T and Britain is $3T. I didn't know that comparison.
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Quote:No.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is Germany's 1% satisfying the NATO obligation?
Quote:The spending requirement is per each country, regardless of how much other countries do or don't spend.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Otherwise we could shave another $200B.
I don't believe the US is spending more because other countries are spending less. US military spending got out of hand during the Col War, and now we're spending to maintain dominance around the globe - not because of national defense or treaty obligations.
Quote:I don't think Foreign Aid comes under the military budget! According to this website, these are the top 10 recipients of US foreign Aid (I reformatted and edited to make it easier https://borgenproject.org/top-10-recipients-of-u-s-foreign-aid/) But afaik, the only country we're bribing is Egypt, and it's so they don't attack Israel.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When discussing Military Spending, perhaps also consider the balance or trade-off with Foreign Aid or others funds considered "don't fight us" bribes.
Or do you just prefer to harangue Service members and encourage DC Suits to keep getting us into Wars, repeatedly?
Israel – $3.1 billion
Egypt – $1.39 billion
Jordan – $1 billion
Afghanistan – $782.8 million
Kenya – $639.4 million
Tanzania – $535.3 million
Uganda – $436.4 million
Zambia – $428.9 million
Nigeria – $419.1 million
Iraq – $347.9 million
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Quote:No.
Originally posted by rue:Quote:Is Germany's 1% satisfying the NATO obligation?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:The spending requirement is per each country, regardless of how much other countries do or don't spend.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Otherwise we could shave another $200B.
I don't believe the US is spending more because other countries are spending less. US military spending got out of hand during the Col War, and now we're spending to maintain dominance around the globe - not because of national defense or treaty obligations.
Quote:I don't think Foreign Aid comes under the military budget! According to this website, these are the top 10 recipients of US foreign Aid (I reformatted and edited to make it easier https://borgenproject.org/top-10-recipients-of-u-s-foreign-aid/) But afaik, the only country we're bribing is Egypt, and it's so they don't attack Israel.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When discussing Military Spending, perhaps also consider the balance or trade-off with Foreign Aid or others funds considered "don't fight us" bribes.
Or do you just prefer to harangue Service members and encourage DC Suits to keep getting us into Wars, repeatedly?
Israel – $3.1 billion
Egypt – $1.39 billion
Jordan – $1 billion
Afghanistan – $782.8 million
Kenya – $639.4 million
Tanzania – $535.3 million
Uganda – $436.4 million
Zambia – $428.9 million
Nigeria – $419.1 million
Iraq – $347.9 million
Those figures just seem a lot less than Obama numbers, for the Muslim countries. Obama's favorite Iran isn't even listed.
I wonder how much State Dept, CIA spend on these briberies and warmongering activities.
Also, about 150 more countries exist, each getting less than $350 Million per year from us, if any.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Bullshit.
I'm sure I could find twice as many where you say the words "war" or "military" or "deep state"....not that I go in your threads, because I know you would turn every single one into a war discussion if you could, wouldn't you?
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[Originally posted by rue:
I think you resent people who discuss ....dead horse topics over and over for sympathy or inflationary psycho-babble manipulation.
FIFY.
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WISHY, as usual, providing "thoughtful" "discussion" of the topic.
Do I mention "war" twice as much as I mention anything else? Even IF I did ... and I don't know of that's true, or not (Did you tally the "mentions?" Because, of the eight threads that I started currently visible on this page, only two of them have anything to do with deep state/regime change, and none of them with war per se)... SO WHAT?
I know war must seem a long ways away from Cranialrectalinversion, IN, but I tell you that we will never get our government finances OR our economy in working order until we stop trying to control the entire globe. I mean, really, controlling the entire globe ... isn't that just a ridiculous idea?
So I have an idea WISHY. Instead of harping and bitching (as usual) about my chosen topics, why don't you PROVE to me that war, war spending, the causes of war, and the effects of war, are not important topics? Show me that our government spending, our investments, our energy expenditure and CO2 emissions, and economy would NOT change for the better, even in Cranialrectalinversion, IN, if we managed to end our endless wars. Or not. I truly don't care, because if you're just going to harp and be over-controlling I'm going to ignore you.
But if you ARE going to start that discussion, then start another thread instead of derailing this one, thanks.
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Quote:Well now, that is just wrong, and we all know you have no evidence to support that belief.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
WISHY, as usual, providing "thughtful" "discussion" of the topic.
Do I mention "war" twice as much as I mention anything else? Even IF I did ... and I don't know of that's true, or not (Did you tally the "mentions?" Because, of the eight threads that I started currently visible on this page, only two of them have anything to do with deep state/regime change, and none of them with war per se)... SO WHAT?
I know war must seem a long ways away from Cranialrectalinversion, IN, but I tell you that we will never get our government finances OR our economy in working order until we stop trying to control the entire globe.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I mean, really, controlling the entire globe ... isn't that just a ridiculous idea?
So I have an idea WISHY. Instead of harping and bitching (as usual) about my chosen topics, why don't you PROVE to me that war, war spending, the causes of war, and the effects of war, are not important topics?
Yeah, I mean, it is ridiculous to have to compete with the Russians and today has proven conclusively RUSSIANS SUUUUCK. Lying, backstabbing, cheats.
They are important topics, just not important topics to discuss with YOU. You've made it clear your position is traitorous to this country.
Let me make things a step clearer. As much as Trump and his family are truly despicable, Putin is Satan. In fact, as much as a pacifist as I normally am...If Russia were to invade or attack, I would have no problem being shipped to Russia and murdering little Russian babies in their sleep with my bare hands. As screwed up as this country is right now, if Hitler were the actual president I would take IT over Russia.
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With Love, Wishy.
Clear enough??
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Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Yeah, I mean, it is ridiculous to have to compete with the Russians and today has proven conclusively RUSSIANS SUUUUCK. Lying, backstabbing, cheats.
They are important topics, just not important topics to discuss with YOU. You've made it clear your position is traitorous to this country.
Let me make things a step clearer. As much as Trump and his family are truly despicable, Putin is Satan. In fact, as much as a pacifist as I normally am...If Russia were to invade or attack, I would have no problem being shipped to Russia and murdering little Russian babies in their sleep with my bare hands. As screwed up as this country is right now, if Hitler were the actual president I would take IT over Russia.
FUCK RUSSIA (x100)
With Love, Wishy.
Clear enough??
Remember when the Left was the party of peace and tolerance?
Nothing but hate, insanity, death threats and disgusting behavior these days, huh?
Now we can add threats against babies too.
Wow.
Hey T. Remember what I was saying before about the "friends" you've made here?
I think if you take a step back and surmise the situation, you'll find that the "dummy" and his "Russian troll" friends don't behave at all in the way that they do.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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